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Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:15 PM

One of the things they have been up to at Camp David




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You heard it here first. There will be calls for a criminal investigation, and probably an actual F.B.I. investigation, of the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. Doesn't matter who it is.

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Reply One of the things they have been up to at Camp David (Original post)
appleannie1943 Jan 2018 OP
bettyellen Jan 2018 #1
Takket Jan 2018 #10
bettyellen Jan 2018 #22
bronxiteforever Jan 2018 #2
underpants Jan 2018 #3
Takket Jan 2018 #11
underpants Jan 2018 #13
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #29
donkeypoofed Jan 2018 #4
RKP5637 Jan 2018 #7
Hekate Jan 2018 #9
SharonClark Jan 2018 #15
Hekate Jan 2018 #20
appleannie1943 Jan 2018 #16
Hekate Jan 2018 #19
appleannie1943 Jan 2018 #24
bdamomma Jan 2018 #21
Hekate Jan 2018 #23
mahina Jan 2018 #14
FakeNoose Jan 2018 #32
democratisphere Jan 2018 #5
ornotna Jan 2018 #6
Takket Jan 2018 #12
ornotna Jan 2018 #25
appleannie1943 Jan 2018 #17
ornotna Jan 2018 #26
no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #8
appleannie1943 Jan 2018 #18
Hekate Jan 2018 #31
global1 Jan 2018 #27
Renew Deal Jan 2018 #28
GeorgeHayduke Jan 2018 #30
LenaBaby61 Jan 2018 #35
GeorgeHayduke Jan 2018 #39
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #33
LenaBaby61 Jan 2018 #36
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #38
world wide wally Jan 2018 #34
FarCenter Jan 2018 #37

Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:21 PM

1. This is why I want a cadidate with a short career but star quality-less baggage. Harris.

 

This is the DU member formerly known as bettyellen.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:41 PM

10. Gillebrand was that person for me.... until she committed political suicide.

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Response to Takket (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:51 PM

22. I dont like her taking a bossy from the Clintons and then stabbing them in the back....

 

I love Franken and am pissed it happened the way it did. I think they were aware of more crap- maybe even just and endless rehash of stuff from his comedy days. Itís unfair and I love Franken but I wonder what sort of oppo research they looked at? In my heart I do believe it was a set up. Sucks all around.
This is the DU member formerly known as bettyellen.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:22 PM

2. This is one of the scariest thing I have ever read

It seems all the moorings are undone and the ship of state is careening toward a waterfall

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:25 PM

3. That's what they did in 2016. Several of them actually admitted it was all purely political

They based everything simply on "trust" with Hillary. Of course it was just piggybacking 25 years of empty attacks on her.

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:44 PM

11. if we learned anything from the 2016 election........

it is that the perception is more real to voters than reality. Sounds absurd but we've seen the GOP exploit this so many times and the Dems still always seem completely caught off guard by it.

al gore "invented the internet"
swift boating
the kenyan muslim
benghazi
"her emails"

just keep saying.... plant that seed..... and it is real...........

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Response to Takket (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:50 PM

13. Perception is reality has been their thing for a looong time

I don't know if this was a Lee Atwater thing like "God Guns and Gays" but they starting using it a lot at about the same time.

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Response to Takket (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:22 PM

29. Great post.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:25 PM

4. No Democracy has lasted more than 300 years

We should be alot more scared than we actually are. We're at the 242 year mark now;a danger zone. Everybody needs to start waking up before it's too late

And may the Republican Party implode and never recover from this. Ever!

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:32 PM

7. Sadly, that is quite true. And the GOP is out to take this country apart. None should stand by and

let this happen, problem is, far too many Americans often don't seem to care, they're in their own little worlds, too busy to look out of their ruts of life at the big picture of what's happening to their country.

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:38 PM

9. Hmmm

People are awake -- Hillary WON, for one thing. Also, you may not have noticed the Women's March last year? It was not a one-off, but the beginning of a wave of women signing up to run for political office all over the country.

Did you sign up for Indivisible? Are you following your Senator and Congresscritter on FB? Are you signed up for the "flash" protests nationwide in the event that Mueller is fired?

This nation will not be finished until we stop Resisting and Persisting.

I am reminded of the cardboard sign I saw in a photo from a major airport after the infamous Muslim Ban. "FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE MUSLIMS, AND WE SAID: NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS."

Enough with the FUD. Not today, Donkeypoofed.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:08 PM

15. Great post!

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:39 PM

20. Thank you!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:22 PM

16. I think you and I have run into each other in the past. Possibly on another site.

I not only follow my Senator, I cheer on one (Casey) and call and email the other one incessantly (Tommey). At 74 and not the healthiest chick on the block, I will be at the local Women's March near the end of this month. I live in a Thug area so it won't be large but it will be noticed anyway. If Mueller is fired, there will be a sign in my yard, a main highway passes my door, and I will be out on the streets with others. If we are not willing to fight for our rights, we don't deserve to have any in the first place.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:38 PM

19. I look forward to running into you here more often!


Except for a couple of spinoff sites, I'm not registered anywhere else, and haven't even posted at them in quite awhile. So it's just DU.

We're close in age -- it's amazing the cycles one lives thru, yes?

I'm not sure where the Women's March is going to be, since I moved to a new county several months ago. Your post is a reminder to me to ask a few activists if anything is planned locally. Last year I bussed 100 miles into Los Angeles.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:50 PM

21. Well said Hekate

If they keep on pushing the American people will act be it peacefully or not so peacefully.

We all can see how hypocritical they are now kissing his ass, they wiil go down.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:59 PM

23. They are going down hard. I only hope & pray that Club Fed awaits the majority of them...

Trump will never actually go to prison, but I sure hope Junior, Jared, and Ivanka achieve that distinction, along with a slew of others.

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:00 PM

14. Welcome to DU.

Wide awake here, and resisting.

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:39 PM

32. Either the GOP implodes,

... or we have to nuke them. Which will it be?
Either one is fine with me.


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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:26 PM

5. O-U-T-R-A-G-E-O-U-S !!!

redumbliCONs have become a totally criminal political party. They need to be dealt with as the criminals they are.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:29 PM

6. Got a link to that tweet? n/t

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Response to ornotna (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:46 PM

12. here you go

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Response to Takket (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:17 PM

25. TY n/t

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Response to ornotna (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:26 PM

17. Yes

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Response to appleannie1943 (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:17 PM

26. TY n/t

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:34 PM

8. Even if the candidate were an icon without a past?

Like Caroline Kennedy? Or her cousin, Joe Kennedy III?

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:28 PM

18. it does not matter

I guess they figure if someone is under investigation, there are a lot of people that will not vote for them.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:28 PM

31. Don't kid yourself. They go after a person's strengths (like being a war hero) and twist them...

...past recognition.

John Kerry served his country in Vietnam, honorably and courageously, as a Swift Boat captain. Then he came home and opposed the war, which also was an act of courage in those days. He testified before a Congressional committee and famously asked,"How can you ask a mother to let her son be the last to die in a war that is a mistake?" (I am paraphrasing from memory here.)

Kerry went into politics, and was clean. He ran for president against George W. Bush. By the time the Repubs were done with him, "to be Swiftboated" and "Swiftboating" had entered the lexicon as terms for taking someone's achievements and turning it against them to devastating effect.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:18 PM

27. How Much More Of This Crap Are We Going To Take.....

from these Repugs & Trump?

If this is what Tobin believes the Repugs will pull in 2020 - then immediately the Dems got to speak up and difuse their strategy.

If the Dems tell the American People today that this it what the Repugs will do in 2020 - it will take the wind out of their sails.

Our Dem leaders need to be more proactive and vocal and they need to fight fire with fire. Low road - high road. BS. We need to get on the same road and beat them at their own game.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:21 PM

28. The question is who will be the republican nominee?

Will Trump still be around and who will primary him?

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:26 PM

30. My advice

Always be a skeptic. I've heard Toobin talk, and he stutters just as much as the schills. He's a TV ego and I cant bring myself to flatly trust an opinion paid to take a side, despite that it may be my side.

I question motivation and numerous other things.

Im not easily sold pretty flowers.

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Response to GeorgeHayduke (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:48 AM

35. Always be a skeptic. I've heard Toobin talk, and he stutters just as much as the shills.

Not exactly in love with him either.

But in this case, he speaks the TRUTH. It's the thuglican play book. They have one on all of the Dems, and we KNOW they're not ashamed to use it.

Dems unfortunately are always caught off guard as someone said in the thread earlier, or they go bopping along thinking that the American people are too SMART to fall for "it."

Kerry and Dukakis for starters ring a bell? Great guys, but politically tone deaf in many ways.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 9, 2018, 08:17 AM

39. I'm a numbers guy.

In my world, Toobin is a opinion columnist. Just because he's cheering for your cause doesn't mean he's right, but more likely, he has something to sell.

He's the PeeWee Herman of political analysis.

Sorry, but I don't need my thoughts validated simply for validation's sake.

However, I do respect your opinion. I'd like to hear more of it.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:44 PM

33. WTF! Why are we putting up with this shit?

I am so goddamned tired of the republicans getting away with the shit they get away with. If they do that to our candidate, then we do that to theirs. We need to start fighting back and giving them a taste of their own medicine. I so fucking hate these people!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:03 AM

36. If they do that to our candidate, then we do that to theirs.

I have MANY friends who STILL believe that Dems should "Stay above the fray." "Don't sink to their level."

They're "purity" sorts who won't "sully" themselves.



I explained to a few who now get that playing by Marcus Queensbery rules will get you killed in today's political climate, and that thuglicans/fatso want to MURDER/KILL you by taking your health care AWAY from YOU in this latest tax scam bill, before it really got going.They saw that it was/is TRUE.

THEY NOW GET IT. That we're in a life or death fight with a murder in the GOP/fatso who are wielding damn MACHETES. Fighting them with a Marshmallow isn't the answer.

Several of them STILL are not THERE yet, and would rather be "ADULTS." I say yeah, if you're stricken with a chronic disease (Cancer), and your treatment/cap limit is met, that's IF you have health insurance at ALL, you won't make it to adult hood so to speak. A friend's son has cancer and she's scared to DEATH of what'll happen to her son. He cries most nights and wonders out aloud WHY the president hates him so much and wants him to DIE by taking his health care away.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 08:19 AM

38. I am so sorry to hear about your friend's son.

That is really a sad situation and I despise these pigs for what they are doing to people like him. It is so incredibly cruel. I just wish more people would see what the republicans are really doing to this society and get out and vote. I don't know how any decent, working person could possibly be for them.

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

34. Time to play Cops and Republcans

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Response to appleannie1943 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 07:16 AM

37. Sounds right. In the later Western Roman Empire, the Praetorian Guard selected the Emperor.

 

Selecting the Leader of the Free World is too important to be left to voting by the plebeians of the United States.

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