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TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:42 PM Jan 2018

Clinton Foundation investigation: wannabe dictator going after his political opponents







Wannabe dictator Donald Trump is currently abusing the power of the Justice Department by ordering an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. This is typical behavior of tyrants — they seek revenge against political opponents.

This is Trump's America. The America Hillary warned us about.

So let us remember the truth about the Clinton Foundation and realize this "investigation" is nothing more than a manbaby throwing a temper tantrum against a woman who will never bow down to him (Hillary already lived in the White House for 8 years. She has nothing left to prove. She's already made her mark on history by becoming the first woman of a major party to be nominated for President. Popular vote winner and the "People's President" — 3 million more votes!)

Point is — the Clinton Foundation provides HIV/AIDS medicine to over 11.5 million people worldwide — more than half of all those affected by the virus.

All donations are public. 88% of funds go towards helping others. The Clinton Foundation has a higher charity rating than the Red Cross.

This "investigation" is a distraction and diversion from the treason and real crimes committed by the Trump family (money laundering).

Let us also remember that in addition to the Clinton Foundation providing 11+ million people with HIV/AIDS medicine, President Bill Clinton also gave us:

—4-balanced budgets due to the superb compromising ability of Bill Clinton
—Surplus
—22 million new jobs
—7 million fewer Americans living in poverty
—Minimum wage up 20%
—Assault Weapons Ban
—Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
—Closet we have ever been to peace in the Middle East
—Northern Ireland peace process
—Campaign Against Teen Pregnancy: all-time low abortion rates
—Office on Violence Against Women
—Violence Against Women Act
—Children’s Health Insurance Program: 8.9 million children insured
—Incomes rising at all income levels

Debunking criticisms:

—NAFTA was negotiated and put together by Bush Senior — Bill simply oversaw the implementation of NAFTA due to denying Bush a second term.
—The ‘94 crime bill was a bipartisan bill that even Bernie Sanders voted for.
—Welfare reform was due to 6 years of a GOP dominated Congress.
—Repealing Glass-Steagall had nothing to do with the ‘07 crash according to fact-checking websites — look it up!

Too bad so many Americans forgot about the net-positive record of the 1990s and drank the anti-Clinton kool-aid. The right-wing machine has been smearing Bill and Hillary for decades. Truly a “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

To be honest, we could really use two extremely intelligent pragmatists in the White House. “Compromise” is not a dirty word and leads to actual progress. Hyper-partisanship on both sides leads to zero progress.

Instead of declaring “Clintionism” dead, Americans should remember how much compromise, corporation, and broad-based prosperity occurred during the 1990s when two pragmatists (and policy wonks) occupied the White House. Minimum wage was up 20%! We had a surplus!

When people speak ill of President Bill Clinton, I think they have forgotten that he was a true pragmatist that was willing to compromise for the sake of progress. That is exactly the kind of person I want as President. Not someone like Bernie who would forfeit progress for purity.

Though the '90s weren't progressive compared to today’s standards, we must remember — the Clintons were a breathe of fresh air after the “Reagan Revolution.” If not for Bill Clinton rebranding the Democratic Party, we would have been stuck with another 4 disastrous years of Bush Senior continuing Reaganomics.

During the ‘90s, Hillary helped create the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP — 8.9 million children insured) and was instrumental in all of Bill’s policy decisions. Many said Hillary was the one who actually ran the White House during the prosperous 1990s.

The Clintons will always be political icons and legends. Two-time winners that won the popular vote for a 3rd straight time.

Thanks for leaving our country in such great shape! The 1990s were great. Wish we could have continued our progress with Vice President Al Gore (thanks Nader).

Never forget the truth about the Clinton Foundation (11.5 million people treated for HIV/AIDS, higher charity rating than the Red Cross), or the success of the 1990s (22 million new jobs, 7 million fewer Americans in poverty, minimum wage up 20%, incomes rising at all levels, 4 balanced-budgets, and a surplus!)

We could use a pragmatist who is willing to compromise. Polarization on both the far-left and the far-right will destroy our country.

So let us remember our last great era — the pragmatic 1990s. And never stop recognizing the continued good work the Clintons are doing for the world.











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Clinton Foundation investigation: wannabe dictator going after his political opponents (Original Post) TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 OP
Clinton didn't simply oversee NAFTA. He campaigned for it remember the doc03 Jan 2018 #1
NAFTA led to unintended consequences. You aren't going to get everything right in a 40 year career TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #2
Please name the US President or other world leader who has never made a mistake. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #3
Exactly. TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #4
I agree the Clintons were a net positive. But the Republicans have used NAFTA to doc03 Jan 2018 #5
Sad people don't realize that during the 1990s... TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #6
The Reagan Democrats were blue collar Democrats that voted for Reagan over Carter. Clinton still_one Jan 2018 #27
NAFTA deal was agreed upon by GHW Bush and you know it, more Clinton bashin tired of this shit uponit7771 Jan 2018 #7
That's what I thought. TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #8
Congress voted down NAFTA twice I think during GHWB, he couldn't doc03 Jan 2018 #11
But Bush Senior first negotiated it... TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #13
Oh yes the Republicans have been beating us over the head with NAFTA doc03 Jan 2018 #14
I guess I have never heard them use it as a talking-point until 2016 TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #15
The Republicans have used that issue so much to beat up Democrats doc03 Jan 2018 #17
But corporate establishment Republicans have always loved NAFTA TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #18
Then why are YOU repeating the lie?! SunSeeker Jan 2018 #23
I am just trying to enlighten people about how people in the rust belt perceive NAFTA doc03 Jan 2018 #26
Misinformation is not "enlightening." SunSeeker Jan 2018 #29
The GOP made WV red using NAFTA? Link? SunSeeker Jan 2018 #24
I live 8 miles from West Virginia, before NAFTA West Virginia was doc03 Jan 2018 #25
No, NAFTA had nothing to do with turning WV red. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #28
The republicans need to go eat a steaming bag of shit. Initech Jan 2018 #9
There should be a book debunking every conspiracy theory against the Clintons TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #10
Movies too. Initech Jan 2018 #16
I can't wait for the movie that chronicles the Clintons from Arkansas to 2016 TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #19
Man am I with you! triron Jan 2018 #21
My Dad had been a republican most of his life Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #12
It's a scary world. I'm not sure I want children anymore. TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #31
Thank you for this! triron Jan 2018 #20
You are most welcome! TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #30
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #22
WhooHoo!! TreeStarsForever Jan 2018 #32

doc03

(35,327 posts)
1. Clinton didn't simply oversee NAFTA. He campaigned for it remember the
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:54 PM
Jan 2018

Ross Perot/ Al Gore debate? The Republicans along with a enough Democrats passed it while Clinton was in office and he signed it.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
2. NAFTA led to unintended consequences. You aren't going to get everything right in a 40 year career
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:59 PM
Jan 2018

Point is -- NAFTA began under Bush Senior. It was far more his baby than Clinton's. Context and culture of the 1990s is important to understand. We were just coming off of the "Reagan Revolution." Again -- NAFTA led to unintended consequences. Let us also remember that we must trade with the rest of the world somehow. Oh and that the Clintons did lots of other things to help middle-class families during the 1990s. Why we only focus on NAFTA and not all the other things accomplished always perplexes me.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
4. Exactly.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:03 PM
Jan 2018

All Presidents make mistakes. NAFTA led to unintended consequences. But it was a bipartisan idea. Began under Bush Senior. Clinton carried the baton. Point is -- the Clintons were a net-positive for America. First time we had a surplus.

doc03

(35,327 posts)
5. I agree the Clintons were a net positive. But the Republicans have used NAFTA to
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:25 PM
Jan 2018

divide blue collar voters ever since. I think NAFTA was the main reason even more than racism for Trump getting elected.
Trump won the rust belt states because of NAFTA. Obama compromised on health care and went with Romneycare
thinking he would get Republican support. You compromise with those assholes you get burned every time.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
6. Sad people don't realize that during the 1990s...
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:48 PM
Jan 2018

Minimum wage was up 20%. 7 fewer Americans were in poverty. 23 million new jobs were created.

I wish the Clintons would do a better job of reminding us of the 1990s.

still_one

(92,176 posts)
27. The Reagan Democrats were blue collar Democrats that voted for Reagan over Carter. Clinton
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jan 2018

wasn’t even in the picture then

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
7. NAFTA deal was agreed upon by GHW Bush and you know it, more Clinton bashin tired of this shit
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:51 PM
Jan 2018

If you don't know it then you're being fed and that's still fucked up.

Clinton was doing what all presidents do and that's complete already agreed upon deals by pas presidents

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
8. That's what I thought.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:00 AM
Jan 2018

Clinton honored a deal that was put together by Bush Senior.

Bush Senior never thought he wouldn't win re-election.

Thank god for the Clintons!! They took our country back from the "Reagan Revolution."

Why don't they get more credit for this?

doc03

(35,327 posts)
11. Congress voted down NAFTA twice I think during GHWB, he couldn't
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:20 AM
Jan 2018

get it passed without Democratic support. So when Clinton was in office he was able to deliver enough Democratic votes to pass NAFTA. The Republicans have been beating us over the head with it ever since.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
13. But Bush Senior first negotiated it...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:29 AM
Jan 2018

I don't remember the GOP attacking us for NAFTA. I only remember them doing so when Trump decided to manipulate working-class whites in Middle America.

But why would Republicans beat us over the head with it? They love trade agreements like this in terms of helping big business.

Sadly, NAFTA had unintended consequences no one foresaw.

If I recall correctly, I think Bill Clinton made some changes to NAFTA to make it more favorable to the workers of America. There were a few versions.

However, my overall point is that people forget that it STARTED under Bush Senior. President Clinton was a new President and simply wanted to get a trade deal accomplished. He used what Bush Senior started. Then it led to unintended consequences.

I wish people had a better understanding of history and the order of events (ie: Bush Senior started it).

doc03

(35,327 posts)
14. Oh yes the Republicans have been beating us over the head with NAFTA
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:38 AM
Jan 2018

ever since. I agree they are the ones that want trade deals. Where I live in Ohio the steel industry was huge
and Republicans running for congress have used NAFTA to divide blue collar vote ever since. They have made
West Virginia a red state using NAFTA.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
15. I guess I have never heard them use it as a talking-point until 2016
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:40 AM
Jan 2018

My overall point is that I wish it was common knowledge that Bush Senior began NAFTA.

doc03

(35,327 posts)
17. The Republicans have used that issue so much to beat up Democrats
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:49 AM
Jan 2018

over the years few people know that. I think if you would ask most former steelworkers
who was to blame for NAFTA they would say Clinton. Not true but if repeat a lie enough people believe it.

doc03

(35,327 posts)
26. I am just trying to enlighten people about how people in the rust belt perceive NAFTA
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jan 2018

and who they credit for it.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
24. The GOP made WV red using NAFTA? Link?
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:49 AM
Jan 2018

I've always heard the GOP made WV (and the Southern States) red using their Southen Strategy, i.e. appealing to their racism after Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act.

doc03

(35,327 posts)
25. I live 8 miles from West Virginia, before NAFTA West Virginia was
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jan 2018

controlled by Democrats. The Republicans have taken over the state government and their new governor even changed to Republican
soon as he got elected. I don't know how there could be a link. I just know this from every day conversation with the people in WV and WV media.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
28. No, NAFTA had nothing to do with turning WV red.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jan 2018

It had to do with Bush successfully (although fslsely, of course) blaming the collapse of the coal industry on govetnment regulations. And, the GOP Southern Strategy ...

Its population is more than 92 percent white.

Increasingly, the Democrats have become the party of diverse, urban America. Its base is the nation’s big cities.


https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/west-virginia-how-bluest-state-became-reddest-n697491

Trump ran up a huge margin in WV because he promised to bring back the coal jobs. It was not his opposition to NAFTA that won WV for him. It was the gullible believing his lies. And racism/sexism. Of course, your WV buddies would never admit that.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
9. The republicans need to go eat a steaming bag of shit.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:12 AM
Jan 2018

Because of them a great man's reputation was ruined and his wife can never be president, while we have a shitstain traitor currently serving. God bless America. Fuck.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
16. Movies too.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:41 AM
Jan 2018

After all, they were able to overturn the entire discourse of campaign finance with a bullshit documentary about Hillary. That one is still unforgivable.

TreeStarsForever

(392 posts)
19. I can't wait for the movie that chronicles the Clintons from Arkansas to 2016
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:05 AM
Jan 2018

Everyone will say Hillary should have won.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
12. My Dad had been a republican most of his life
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:21 AM
Jan 2018

but he never forgave Nader. He believed if he hadn't run Bush never would have won and he hated Bush. He used to say the republicans wanted him because he was smart enough to win and dumb enough to be manipulated by big oil. I miss my Dad every day but glad he didn't see Twitler get elected. He would not have taken it well. He had a real issue with stupid.

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