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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUnited States Guns Per Population (#1) Versus Gun Deaths Per 100,000 (#11)
Even on this Board, many gun rights activists make the arguments that guns do not kill people, people kill people, therefore gun control measures are misguided. Of course, by that same argument, gun controls do not necessarily affect guns, which are inanimate objects, but they control people's use and access to guns, since people kill people, but I guess this is besides the point.
I guess the issue is whether there is a correlation between access and number of guns compared to gun violence. The United States is far and away the leader when it comes to number of guns and access to guns with about 100 guns per 100 inhabitants. The next closest country is Serbia, which has 75/100 and following Serbia, the next countries are all under 40 guns per 100 inhabitants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
However, when it comes to gun deaths, the U.S. ranks at #11. Of course, this puts the U.S. in the company of many war torn or unstable countries such as Honduras or Venezuela.
Conversely, countries that have low rates of gun ownership also tend to have low rates of gun related deaths. South Korea has about 1.1 gun per 100 people and 0.08 deaths per 100,000 people. Japan has about 0.6 guns per 100 people and about 0.6 guns per 100 people.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)is VERY high. Guns and MEN are a terrible combination.
http://time.com/4968842/one-undeniable-factor-in-gun-violence-men/
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)produced by the small arms manufacturing industry and NRA acts as a marketer for that industry to make sure that gun-makers can sell their product in the world's largest open market!
I often wonder just how many people are employed by the small arms manufacturing industry and could these folks be trained to manufacture green or solar industry products? Could our government create a green solar industry? Pres Obama tried but the republicans stopped everything DEAD in its tracks!
I know that my post doesn't have anything to do with the OP but my chain gets pulled when the subject of the availability of guns in the US comes up and I feel compelled to repeat what I just typed... [RANT OFF]
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)No, I'm not trying to argue for less gun control. I just think there is more to it than number per capita. To be clear, I don't feel this data sheds enough light on the problem we face with gun control.
1) This does not give us information about laws concerning gun ownership in each country. Maybe only the military has access to firearms in some of these countries. We need to know distribution for a fair comparison.
2) There is no description of types of firearms. For all we know, half the guns in Italy may be single shot rifles that are used to hunt rabbits. I'm not going to equate a single shot rifle to a semi-auto with bump fire stock.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)The driver was a) removal of lead from gasoline, and b) giving women cheap and ready access to family-planning services.
Removing lead from gasoline in the early 70's mean that the concentration of lead in people born after the removal was sharply lower than before. This sharply reduced cases of lead poisoning, which causes among other things the victim to be aggressive, dumb, and violent. Kids born in the mid-70's onwards breathed cleaner air, and when they reached teenage-hood in about 1990, (the prime age for violence is mid-teens to mid-20s) the population of violence-inclined teenagers was far smaller, and thus the crime rate dropped.
The widespread use of birth control (e.g., the pill, the IUD, and the diaphram) and abortion services in the late 60's onward reduced the number of children born in situations where they were more likely to become violent criminals. Again, in the late 80's onwards this also acted to reduce the population of violence-inclined teenagers and thus the crime rate.
Both of these things were the result of our progressive agenda, and did a far better job of stopping gun violence then any gun control bill. It addressed the CAUSE of the situation, rather than trying to affect the hardware commonly used in the situation.
Generally speaking there should be a relationship; after all, nobody in Florida dies in snowmobile accidents and nobody in Minnesota dies from fanboat accidents. But violence with guns is a subset of violence and the causes are far more complex than the simple existence of guns.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)nt
Opportunity counts. If you can't get to a gun, you have to do something else to kill somebody or yourself.
Consider death by knifing. These vary a lot by country. Even if you control by socio-economic status, by ethnicity, you still get variation. But it's not like those countries with more kitchen knives have more knife deaths. Something else is going on, and that something else is (a) difficult to account for because it's going to include a number of different conditions, (b) difficult to measure because it's difficult to quantify in the first place, and (c) likely offensive because it blames not inanimate objects but the people involved and their cultural or psychological upbringings.
Even in the US you see this. The death rate by firearm isn't consistent, and doesn't have such a neat uniform association with the per capita ownership of pistols, rifles, etc.
It's easy to measure per capita firearm ownership. Understanding and dealing with the actual issues? A lot harder. Even if it's just knife deaths.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)"Only a quarter of Americans own guns, according to numbers from General Social Survey and Gallup in 2013. This means that many American gun owners have more than one gun."
https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership-in-america-in-three-charts/
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yet, gun-fanciers cant understand why we think there is a problem.
DBoon
(22,357 posts)they are a political statement.
The folks shown in the photo are making this statement.