I can't recall any time there has been so much hatred for a president nationally & internationally.

[RKP5637]

I can think back as far as Truman, and I just don't recall so much animosity and distrust, globally, toward a US president. And the reputation of the US has been tarnished so damn much. So much healing will take far far longer than just a new decent president of the US.

[marybourg]

1. Well, never has a president been so hateful. nt

[thegoose]

2. All he does is preen and self glorify

While insulting everyone else.

[RKP5637]

6. It's incredible. Most presidents try to bond the world together, more or less, at least in

their mind. This guy goes out of his way to be hateful to just about everything. It's so damn disgusting.

[oberliner]

3. Seriously?

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yes Bush was hated around the globe.

That is why Obama had to do a mop up tour when he came to office.

[oberliner]

10. People seem to have forgotten

Thousands protest Bush’s Inauguration

Not since Richard Nixon paraded down Pennsylvania Avenue in 1973 has a presidential Inauguration drawn so many protesters -- and last time, people were out to protest the Vietnam War.

Demonstrators turned out in droves on Saturday -- a miserably gray and drizzly day, with temperatures hovering in the mid-30s -- to protest the Inauguration of President George W. Bush, whose election was contested all the way to the Supreme Court. Police would not estimate the size of the crowd, but many thousands of protesters were in evidence.

https://www.salon.com/2001/01/21/protests_8/

15 February 2003 anti-war protests

On 15 February 2003, there was a coordinated day of protests across the world in which people in more than 600 cities expressed opposition to the imminent Iraq War. It was part of a series of protests and political events that had begun in 2002 and continued as the war took place. Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests

[RKP5637]

14. Yep, that was pretty grim too. The will of the people was denied for Bush and same

for Trump.

[treestar]

59. It is worse for the Orange Electoral College Winner

because he was a much bigger popular vote loser than Bush, so I'd say it is a lot worse than it was with Dubya.

[RKP5637]

62. Also, I don't think Bush was trying to dismantle the country nor was he as clueless. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

15. Yes they even threw eggs at the presidential limo.

Bush II was an illegitimate president too.
He stole the election from Gore.

[oberliner]

18. It was indeed a grim time

And the number of the number of innocent people killed in Iraq and elsewhere during that time is staggering.

[Irish_Dem]

19. Millions killed, maimed, injured. The US used chemical warfare in both the Gulf and Iraqi wars.

Countries destroyed, depleted uranium still contaminates them.

Trump just doing what the other GOP leaders did.

[azureblue]

34. and Katrina / New Orleans

never forget that Bush came into office and immediately cut the Army corp of engineers' budget for three years in a row. The cuts stopped the already in progress 1995 SELA project, which was repairing the worn levees. This includes the levees that filed during during Katrina. The ACOE knew about the weak levees, but they did not have the money to fix them. Never forget that Bush refused to put, unlike presidents before him, emergency response teams in place before the storm. Never forget that Bush was eating cake on a runway when Katrina hit and all he did to help was to figure out ways for his buddies to make money off of the misery of the people of New Orleans. Straight out - Bush caused the flooding of New Orleans and totally bungled the recovery efforts.

[Irish_Dem]

52. Yes indeed. I was horrified watching bodies floating around in N.O. And Bush did nothing.

Unbelievable.

That is why I am so surprised that people think Trump is worse than Bush.

[maddiemom]

51. And did the Democrats learn from that?

[Irish_Dem]

54. In all fairness, the election was rigged. But still we are responsible

for an unsecured voting system and allowing a crime syndicate (GOP) to have control.

[LanternWaste]

21. I don't think anyone has forgotten.

I don't think anyone has forgotten. It's remembrance doesn't deny the premise of the OP.

But I get it...

[Kingofalldems]

46. I get it too.

[malaise]

36. Yes

and protests were global

[geardaddy]

35. I was gonna say the same thing.

[burnbaby]

4. I thought bush II had it bad

but I've never seen this level of hate before either

[RKP5637]

8. Yep, same thoughts here, but Trump has gone far beyond bush II. n/t

[oberliner]

12. Not even close

The largest protest event in human history took place in opposition to the Bush cabal Iraq War.

[RKP5637]

16. Thanks for pointing that out!

[oberliner]

17. No problem

I think with all the crazy awfulness of Trump, we sometimes forget how horrific the Bush years were.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Bush I and Bush II killed, injured, maimed millions using chemical warfare.

Dropping depleted uranium bombs on innocent women and children.

Trump has not reached this level.
The facts speak for themselves.

[RKP5637]

26. One can hope Trump doesn't get the chance to go that far. I think Trump is fully capable of

the same or even worse.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Yes, he is capable of worse. nt

[RKP5637]

29. And, he is clearly a sociopath with no conscience. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

32. Bush II also had a good deal of sociopathy and is a severe active alcoholic.

I think however he did have some shame about crashing the economy, so he had
a minimal conscience. And he was fairly vacuous as an intellect.

But yes Trump is more mentally ill.
And quite sadistic. He would enjoy killing and injuring people.
And he is quite limited intellectually, not capable of understanding consequences.

[LanternWaste]

24. One protest does not allow us the collective numbers to contrast and compare

One protest does not allow us the collective numbers to contrast and compare beyond the one protest...

[pressbox69]

5. Well

the hatred for Hillary was pretty bad but she was never president and the hatred for her was all trumped up lies and smears from from Fox News Pravda, Breitbart Snews and Rush Windbag. Oh and the Russian troll factories.

[OnDoutside]

76. Separated by summary justice more like !

[ProudMNDemocrat]

7. Trump/Moussolini comparissons.....Seperated at Birth?

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Has anyone noticed the stark similarity of Trump to that of Benito Mussolini in looks and behavior? No wonder Trump is hated here and around the world. History was not so kind to ole Benito.

[RKP5637]

11. Yep, scary. n/t

[SharonAnn]

42. He does that to disguise his neck wattles, it's been said.

[yonder]

65. "25 Wattle-Neck 45"

I'm thinking new bumper sticker

[steve2470]

13. Nixon was pretty well-hated but yes, I think Trump wins this one

Nixon seemed to have some respect overseas.

[RKP5637]

20. China was a positive. I recall well Nixon not liked, and he was crazy smart, but IMO never had the

pure gross repulsiveness of Trump. At least he did not look, speak and think like the fool that Trump is. I recall well David Frost taking Nixon down a few pegs in the interviews.

[getagrip_already]

47. nixon wasn't hated overseas like trump is...

but he was quite possibly hated more domestically. Kent state was under his watch. Yes, it was the national guard so technically the governor's army, but nixon got the blame.

[yallerdawg]

22. This hatred isn't based on TV and newspapers and Democrats.

This hatred is based on the words coming out of the jackasse's mouth!

What ignorant disgusting SOB's could possibly want this guy to be in charge of anything?

[RKP5637]

25. Anyone that supports him is someone I avoid like the plague. Yeah, he brings all the

hatred on himself by his mannerisms, speech and his stupid inane tweets of stupidity.

[BigMin28]

28. Because

To use a very old saying, he is the worst of libertines. If only I could say in the late Alan Rickman's voice.

[Ferrets are Cool]

30. I hated MonkeyBoy (bush jr) just as much, but I do believe

this asswipe is more dangerous. Much more dangerous.

[RKP5637]

43. Yes, definitely!!! n/t

[kimbutgar]

31. Bush and Twitler were put in office by fraudulent means

Bush was “given” the presidency by the Supreme Court and lost the popular vote and Twitler was helped by Russian interference in our electoral process and vote rigging and also lost the popular vote. That is one of the main reason in my opinion they were are so dispised. Twitler even more so because he was so full of hateful rhetoric unlike bush who at least tried to keep us united. Bush was a Uniter and Twitler is a divider and idiot.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. Bush II pretty much thumbed his nose at the rest of the world and made us a pariah

Obama did a good job repairing and restoring those relationships and got a Nobel Peace Prize practically just for not being Bush. Now, Trump has gone and trashed those relationships again. When will we learn?

[Historic NY]

37. Whatever he has brought it on himself

[StarzGuy]

38. Yes, I want Trump to...

...do the world a favor and resign. I also want the liar in chief Pence to also do the world a favor and resign.

[bronxiteforever]

39. The difference is Shrub was POTUS when the US was strong

There was still rooom to correct epic blunders. The Con is Potus when American foreign power is weakening so his mistakes are more damaging and the institutions of the country are dying at the same time as our foreign influence.

Shrub was horrendous and his presidency will be the event that signaled the end of the American Century.
The Con will herald in a new world order with the US as a debt ridden, cruel and failing power. The Cons selection as POTUS will signal the Asian Century has begun.

[RKP5637]

41. Excellent analysis IMO. n/t

[bronxiteforever]

50. Thank you-lets hope I am wrong!

[frogmarch]

40. Whenever I dislike someone,

I try to imagine the person as they were as a cute little baby. I've done this ever since I was 4 or 5 right after WWII and my mom kept saying how much she hated Truman. I remember telling her that he was once a sweet little baby, and how could she hate anyone who was once a sweet little baby?

It didn't work for my mom, and it hasn't worked for me with trump.

[RKP5637]

44. I can't watch or listen to him anymore. I follow up later, but he turns my stomach. He is

simply nauseating.

[yonder]

68. In trump's case, it wouldn't work for me either...

...but I like your device and will try to use it. Casting that innocence onto a disliked person may bring an honest smile to ones own face, too.

[KentuckyWoman]

45. Hatred no.......... I don't respect him enough to hate him

Honestly, to me, he's of no use to anyone. He's doesn't even rise to the usefulness level of saved twisties and bread bags.

I would never waste my emotions on a thing that small and have no understanding why anyone would.

Now, as far as the reputation damage to the US citizenry for putting someone of such low ability in the "highest office" .... I'm with you 100% there. We should be the laughing stock of the world.

[RKP5637]

55. Trump getting the presidency pointed out well some grave problems in our

democracy when it comes to elections.

[alwaysinasnit]

48. Thanks to the Republican leadership in Congress

Had the Republican leadership done its job (investigate Emoluments clause, etc.) right after the inauguration, so much of the trashing of America could have been mitigated. Instead, we have Nero in the White House, and a (Roman) Senate only out for what it can squeeze out of the US Treasury.

[RKP5637]

57. Yep, the GOP is in it for the ride and what they can get out of it. The GOP does not give

a damn about the country or the people. I saw a guy the other day with a really old beat up pickup truck, Trump stickers across the back and a flag flying. I though to myself as he passed, just WTF do you think this ass in the WH is doing for you.

[alwaysinasnit]

74. Funny in a tragic way

I think that Trump is attractive to some people because Trump's speech level makes them feel smarter than the pResident of the US.

[RKP5637]

75. I knew a guy once that said he would never vote for a president smarter than him, and

he was damn stupid.

[njcpa1978]

49. Summer in Europe

I spent over a month in Europe this year. The most common question from people in all walks of life was: "What is wrong with that man? ".

[RKP5637]

58. Yep, the world sees him as deranged. n/t

[FakeNoose]

70. I was in Europe 2 years ago, heard the same then

People need to realize that our allies (including the European nations) all knew about Trump's compliance with Putin long before we did. It was public record in their news media, they had all the evidence they needed. They couldn't believe that Trump was even a serious candidate, they thought he should have been thrown in jail, or the election should have been called off before it even happened.

[peggysue2]

53. When GW is recalled with . . .

a certain, hazy fondness and/or reshaped into an intellectual (Nicolle Williams attempted to convince her audience how GW was a student of history and an avid reader), then you know we've entered a very bizarre period. Even Nixon is now given props although in all honesty the 'I'm not a crook" president was never a dope and pushed some very progressive ideas and policies.

But with Trump?

I'm not sure it's all hate but it's certainly a total lack of respect. Because the man deserves none, not by his words or behavior or attitude. He's an arrogant, know-nothing who would be King if we gave him half a chance. I think his admiration for Pooty stems primarily from Vlad's stranglehold on power, something that Trump would love to imitate. Even yesterday, The Donald was complaining about U.S. libel laws in the wake of Wolff's expose'.

How presidential!

As for international relations? We can only hope that they're mendable at the end of this debacle.

But for right now? We look like idiots which only emboldens our enemies and threatens our national security. It's going to take a long time to recoup our reputation after this. Something we should never let the Republicans forget!

[RKP5637]

60. Hopefully the GOP will be learning the implications of their complicity after the midterms! n/t

[peggysue2]

77. Yes!

This November is the time to turn the burners of our indignation on full blast. It's also the guaranteed way of containing a rogue executive. I fully support Mueller and his investigation but we cannot bet the whole farm on the legal endpoint.

But as a clear message to Republican collaborators, a successful Democratic result will be loud and unmistakeable:

You dance with the Devil? You go straight to Hell's unemployment line.

[George II]

56. Never. Some have been disliked by a few countries here and there, but never this universal.

[RKP5637]

61. He pushes his ugliness on just about every country! n/t

[ailsagirl]

63. Wish dubya a close second

What we currently have is beyond belief

[MFM008]

64. personal animosity

Bush was an idiot make no mistake, but he was fortunate to have Cheney to deflect some of it.
Ive never heard fellow Americans speak about anyone like I do about maggot.
People want to dip their hankies in his blood.
Nothiing gets them on a tangent like this clown.
Ive never seen anything like it.

[SunSeeker]

66. I can't recall any time we have had a deranged fascist as president either. nt

[RKP5637]

71. Excellent point, and he also wants to literally destroy the US government too! n/t

[handmade34]

67. I didn't know

I could hate before DT... now I see almost everything I love about the United States being destroyed or diminished...

fuck you DT

[RKP5637]

72. It's a damn shame. Plus we have a do-nothing GOP congress sitting there nodding their heads in

agreement. It is disastrous all the way around!

[Lonestarblue]

69. It goes beyond hatred for Trump.

Yes, a majority of us believe that Trump is a miserable excuse for a human being and that he is the worst president we’ve ever had. But once Trump is gone, we’ll still have many of the same old issues. Too many people on one side hate the other side so much that some even say that Democrats, or Republicans depending on your politics, do not deserve to live. Such hatred between conservatives and liberals (though I prefer progressives) will not just disappear, so it will be interesting (or perhaps frightening!) to see what follows.

[RKP5637]

73. I often wonder if the US will eventually regionalize. n/t