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underpants

(182,603 posts)
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:29 PM Jan 2018

I. C. E. hit 100 7-11 stores this morning


Immigration agents raid dozens of 7-Elevens as Trump administration moves to crack down on businesses with undocumented workers

The pre-dawn sweep by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents comprised about 100 convenience stores across the United States. Nearly two dozen people were arrested on suspicion of being in the country illegally, though officials said the audits are intended to target managerial hiring practices.

Such operations are a growing priority for the Trump administration and will be carried out more frequently, investigating companies large and small, officials said.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/01/10/immigration-agents-raid-dozens-of-7-elevens-as-trump-administration-moves-to-crack-down-on-businesses-with-undocumented-workers/?utm_term=.a8a1ffffd91c
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I. C. E. hit 100 7-11 stores this morning (Original Post) underpants Jan 2018 OP
I fucking hate him Wwcd Jan 2018 #1
Serious profiling! yallerdawg Jan 2018 #2
Oh no HAB911 Jan 2018 #20
The business owners should get fine burnbaby Jan 2018 #3
Exactly tazkcmo Jan 2018 #6
That's a terrific idea. Orrex Jan 2018 #10
I-9 laws. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #14
Thanks for that link. Orrex Jan 2018 #16
The penalties apply against not only employers of immigrants - Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #23
That's the point of the I-9 laws. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #15
I wouldn't be surprised if the owners are the ones who are undocumented Sanity Claws Jan 2018 #18
A lot of them are from India. Iliyah Jan 2018 #4
I feel safer already Orrex Jan 2018 #5
lol burnbaby Jan 2018 #7
Me, too. Dave Starsky Jan 2018 #21
It isn't unusual for undocumented Indians to work at convenience stores LeftInTX Jan 2018 #8
Wait until they get to Walmart and Koch Industries... Sancho Jan 2018 #9
I wonder if ICE will also raid gas stations. Many of them operate simlar to 7-11. muntrv Jan 2018 #11
When are the raids scheduled for Trump's hotels, condos and golf courses? nt procon Jan 2018 #12
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #13
+1 octoberlib Jan 2018 #17
Yep. I am waiting too. Pricey real estate developments with subcontractors. Go after those employers Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #24
100 stores, two dozen people... Xipe Totec Jan 2018 #19
You're assuming it's one employee per store jmowreader Jan 2018 #29
I feel so much safer now. kairos12 Jan 2018 #22
What a WASTE of fucking time and resources. All that so they could 'catch' 25 people who were Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #25
Pathetic BeyondGeography Jan 2018 #26
ICE is deserving of being the least respected agency in all of federal law enforcement, seriously. Anon-C Jan 2018 #27
maybe someday ICE will be raided. n/t MarcA Jan 2018 #31
Thankfully Apu passed his Citizenship Test Brother Buzz Jan 2018 #28
I'm glad kacekwl Jan 2018 #30
First they came for the "illegal" immigrants. Initech Jan 2018 #32
So wrong, so sick. Duppers Jan 2018 #33
No more Big Gulps for you Mr. Trump Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #34

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
2. Serious profiling!
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

Many of these franchise/management-type convenience store operations are involved in very difficult, complicated - and dangerous - jobs no one wants!

Convenience store employment is like being in a war zone.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
20. Oh no
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

not at all. It's much like picking fruits and vegetables, the targets are taking jobs from white kids



stupid assholes

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
3. The business owners should get fine
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

I have to bring out divorce papers to prove who I am, along with my birth certificate and license. I hope we punish their employers

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
6. Exactly
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jan 2018

Most of the time it's the individual that suffers all of the consequences while the business maybe gets a written warning.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
10. That's a terrific idea.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:50 PM
Jan 2018

I've had similar thoughts over the years, but your solution is right to the point.

If it's a crime to work illegally in the US, then it should a crime to employ such workers. And when the business owners protest that they didn't know, then they're guilty of failing to perform due diligence. For comparison, if a bar owner accepts a fake ID from a minor, then the bar owner is at fault. The same should apply here.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
16. Thanks for that link.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jan 2018

Those penalties seem kind of meager IMO. I'd vote for revocation of citizenship for repeat offender employers!

At the very least, they should face consequences at least commensurate with those dropped on the employees.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
23. The penalties apply against not only employers of immigrants -
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:19 PM
Jan 2018

but also against employers who merely refuse to document right-to-work status for reasons of conscience.

The law was challenged by one of the religious/social justice organizations that works against race/ethnic origin based discrimination that I am associated with on the national level. The challenge was because the law (and enforcement thereof) will likely be used as a tool for discrimination and enforced only when the employees are ethnically "unwelcome" (similar to "Show me your paper" laws that permit law enforcement in certain states to demand identification, with demands primarily being made of people with brown skin (citizen or not) who speak with an accent. My father was the US citizen who refused to complete the I-9 documentation in order to permit the entity to challenge the law (for employing him without demanding documentation).

But it's equally crazy, deeply offensive and profoundly un-American to do what Arizona did when it passed it's law. It put a target on a subset of the state's population based on physical appearance and required them to carry around documents proving their legal residency or U.S. citizenship just in case a police officer stops them and demands to see paperwork.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/26/opinion/navarrette-arizona-law-court/index.html

Sanity Claws

(21,840 posts)
18. I wouldn't be surprised if the owners are the ones who are undocumented
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jan 2018

It is unlawful to hire people who can't meet the I-9 requirements. However, the owner does not have to I-9 himself since he is not an employee, but an owner.

BTW, these undocumented owners often are providing jobs for people who do meet I-9 requirements.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
5. I feel safer already
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jan 2018

I'd hate to think that some evil, undocumented "illegal" might be ringing me out for a Slurpee.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
21. Me, too.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

I'd feel much better with a surly recent college grad who's just there until he gets his first programming job.

LeftInTX

(25,117 posts)
8. It isn't unusual for undocumented Indians to work at convenience stores
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jan 2018

They come for visits legally and they overstay their VISAS.

I know a DACA recipient who is going to college, but said if it wasn't for DACA she would be working at a convenience store. Her parents came when she was one. She has never been to India.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
9. Wait until they get to Walmart and Koch Industries...
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:48 PM
Jan 2018

that will piss off the big checkbooks over tRump.

Of course, they may never get to Walmart and Koch Industries.

Freethinker65

(9,999 posts)
24. Yep. I am waiting too. Pricey real estate developments with subcontractors. Go after those employers
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

The employees are not the problem

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
19. 100 stores, two dozen people...
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jan 2018

So, at least 75 of the stores raided had zero, zip, nada.

Awesome waste of scarce resources, fellas.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
29. You're assuming it's one employee per store
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jan 2018

Let's say it takes 12 people to staff a 7-11 around the clock. The 7-11 company is a franchisor, so if one franchisee with two locations hired only undocumented people to staff his stores, that would account for all of them.

Be real: an operator who knows how to use eVerify really well is NOT going to have undocumented workers on the floor. And an operator who starts hiring undocumented workers is going to decide pretty quickly he only wants to hire undocumented workers - they're cheaper and you can do just about anything you want to them right up to requiring frequent sex as a condition of employment.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
25. What a WASTE of fucking time and resources. All that so they could 'catch' 25 people who were
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

just trying to earn a living...or no wait, right they're 'stealing' those jobs from Americans.

If I hear ONE MORE TIME all the job stealing whilst the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is the basement I'm gonna fucking SCREAM.
I DESPERATELY want there to be a shortage of workers who are doing jobs Americans don't give a rats ass about.

Racist Americans need TO SUFFER. I WANT THEM TO SUFFER.

This has got me very very angry...I really wish I owned a punching bag.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
27. ICE is deserving of being the least respected agency in all of federal law enforcement, seriously.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 06:14 PM
Jan 2018

They've earned it. Not trying to paint with a broad brush, but my experience is that exactly the kind of people you imagine would be willing to do that work, are doing that work.

kacekwl

(7,013 posts)
30. I'm glad
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 07:06 PM
Jan 2018

he got all the murders and rapists off the street. Bad hombres trying to make a living . Idiot.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
33. So wrong, so sick.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 08:33 PM
Jan 2018

The nicest stranger I ever in my life met worked at a 7-11 in Staunton, VA. I think he was from Senegal.

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