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elias7

(3,997 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:12 PM Jan 2018

Climate change: How the South ultimately loses the Civil War

And how those enslaved ultimately win…

By 2100, with a 5 deg C or 11 deg F rise in temperature, the land south of the Mason Dixon line will be tropical or desert, with rising oceans redefining highly populated coastal cities, with fresh water becoming scarce, with tropical diseases flourishing. The south will lose business and industry, political power and wealth. Population will plummet as people will die or move north.

At some point, the land south of the Mason-Dixon line will be mostly uninhabitable, except, ironically, for those whose ancestors evolved in equatorial climates. And to further the irony, what a perfect place for more central Africans to migrate to as their equatorial climate becomes uninhabitable at our hands. Ultimately, perhaps, the land will be owned by the descendants of the slaves or those from their original homelands.

With a population kept intentionally ignorant and wary of any thoughtful endeavors such as scientific method, the South's very own leaders have created a false perception that climate change can be faith-based, and further, that it is a hoax. Too bad. Global climate change will deliver the fatal blow to the heart of Dixie. Look away!

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Climate change: How the South ultimately loses the Civil War (Original Post) elias7 Jan 2018 OP
that is going to take 82 years? nt burnbaby Jan 2018 #1
Please read this again and reconsider. It's highly offensive.... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #2
+1 mahina Jan 2018 #22
That the fuck! GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #3
"Did you even read this racist shit?" NCTraveler Jan 2018 #14
DU is full of South bashing. greymattermom Jan 2018 #4
Yep. cwydro Jan 2018 #9
I've considered these points often in the last few decades misanthrope Jan 2018 #5
This should be an original posting eleny Jan 2018 #11
yes, this is what I was trying to say in a humorous way elias7 Jan 2018 #13
You may call saying that blacks are better evolved for hot climates humorous GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #21
I cannot but note that this does not claim the North thereby wins... in this case, we all lose. n/t FreepFryer Jan 2018 #6
There are lots of rational people who believe in science malaise Jan 2018 #7
I would use the term "...a number of rational people..." misanthrope Jan 2018 #15
pretty laughable to think any civilization will survive a 5 degree C temp rise by 2100 shanny Jan 2018 #8
Um, if temperatures rise that much you won't have shit to worry about LOL snooper2 Jan 2018 #10
It isn't just the South LeftInTX Jan 2018 #12
Your last point is salient misanthrope Jan 2018 #17
Really "ancestors evolved in equatorial climates"? SweetieD Jan 2018 #16
I still cant believe this OP is still up GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #20
I find it interesting that people don't have these same fantasies about Nazi Germany SweetieD Jan 2018 #18
this is truly offensive - why don't you mosey on over to that other site - you will feel right at DrDan Jan 2018 #19
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Please read this again and reconsider. It's highly offensive....
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jan 2018

And has nothing to do with the Civil War outside of some really poorly thought out and offensive crap.

What did I just read?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. "Did you even read this racist shit?"
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jan 2018

They left the dog whistle at home and brought the bullhorn.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
4. DU is full of South bashing.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jan 2018

Please DUers, take a look at the red blue map of the country in more detail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/media/File:Gastner_map_purple_byarea_bycounty.png
You will see a gigantic red swath through the middle of the country, not through the south.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
5. I've considered these points often in the last few decades
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jan 2018

I've lived in Alabama for 54 years. I know its culture, its politics, its people and their ways.

As a general rule, the South has channeled many of the worst aspects of American society. Wanton exploitation and even destruction of living creatures -- human and otherwise -- and the environment is given no more consideration than drawing a breath.

Southerners were chanting "Drill Baby Drill" in concert with Sarah Palin all the way up to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Some continue now.

Southern roadways are choked with SUVs and pick-up trucks, inefficient vehicles with emission standards far below those of standard automobiles. Their owners complain about the price of gasoline, never stopping to consider their consumption of it adds to the market price.

The South is riddled with churches. Participation in Judeo-Christian religion is as much a societal expectation as it is a matter of personal spiritual belief in a place where nosiness and gossip are feverish pursuits. That many of those religions harbor a type of "God gave the Earth to man to use up before He comes and takes us all to heaven" perspective is no small coincidence.

The South is also victim to a surfeit of meteorological disaster. Storm systems and fronts rolling eastward from the Great Plains meet the warm moist air rising from the Gulf of Mexico and spawn tornadoes and violent thunderstorms in both spring and winter. For six months of the year, tropical storm systems of deadly strength are capable of spinning in from the Gulf and raking the region in high winds and floods.

Our weakening jet stream is responsible for more drastically erratic winter weather, too. We've seen it in the last month.

The South has a wealth of coastline vulnerable to sea level rise. It also experiences drought.

Then there's the conditions for life-endangering pests. Hot, humid insect-ridden environments are fertile for pestilence.

Southern Americans don't think about it now, but life in the next century is about to get very hard.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
13. yes, this is what I was trying to say in a humorous way
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jan 2018

Did not mean to insult so many. Sort of a what's the matter with Kansas moment for folks like my brother to chew on...

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. You may call saying that blacks are better evolved for hot climates humorous
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:50 PM
Jan 2018

Many of us have another word for it.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
7. There are lots of rational people who believe in science
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

who live in the South

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
15. I would use the term "...a number of rational people..."
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018

but would not says "lots" as they are vastly outweighed by their opposite ilk.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
8. pretty laughable to think any civilization will survive a 5 degree C temp rise by 2100
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jan 2018

a lot more than "Dixie" will be suffering a death blow by then.

so that's the nonsense part, the rest is bigoted BS

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. Um, if temperatures rise that much you won't have shit to worry about LOL
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jan 2018

besides the rest of the drivel which is meaningless --


http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm

BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX DEGREES OF WARMING

Although warming on this scale lies within the IPCC’s officially endorsed range of 21st-century possibilities, climate models have little to say about what Lynas, echoing Dante, describes as “the Sixth Circle of Hell”. To see the most recent climatic lookalike, we have to turn the geological clock back between 144m and 65m years, to the Cretaceous, which ended with the extinction of the dinosaurs. There was an even closer fit at the end of the Permian, 251m years ago, when global temperatures rose by – yes – six degrees, and 95% of species were wiped out.

That episode was the worst ever endured by life on Earth, the closest the planet has come to ending up a dead and desolate rock in space.” On land, the only winners were fungi that flourished on dying trees and shrubs. At sea there were only losers. Warm water is a killer. Less oxygen can dissolve, so conditions become stagnant and anoxic. Oxygen-breathing water-dwellers – all the higher forms of life from plankton to sharks – face suffocation. Warm water also expands, and sea levels rose by 20 metres.” The resulting “super-hurricanes” hitting the coasts would have triggered flash floods that no living thing could have survived.

There are aspects of the so-called “end-Permian extinction” that are unlikely to recur – most importantly, the vast volcanic eruption in Siberia that spread magma hundreds of metres thick over an area bigger than western Europe and shot billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. That is small comfort, however, for beneath the oceans, another monster stirred – the same that would bring a devastating end to the Palaeocene nearly 200m years later, and that still lies in wait today. Methane hydrate.

What happens when warming water releases pent-up gas from the sea bed: First, a small disturbance drives a gas-saturated parcel of water upwards. As it rises, bubbles begin to appear, as dissolved gas fizzles out with reducing pressure – just as a bottle of lemonade overflows if the top is taken off too quickly. These bubbles make the parcel of water still more buoyant, accelerating its rise through the water. As it surges upwards, reaching explosive force, it drags surrounding water up with it. At the surface, water is shot hundreds of metres into the air as the released gas blasts into the atmosphere. Shockwaves propagate outwards in all directions, triggering more eruptions nearby.

The eruption is more than just another positive feedback in the quickening process of global warming. Unlike CO2, methane is flammable. Even in air-methane concentrations as low as 5%, the mixture could ignite from lightning or some other spark and send fireballs tearing across the sky. The effect would be much like that of the fuel-air explosives used by the US and Russian armies – so-called “vacuum bombs” that ignite fuel droplets above a target. According to the CIA, those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringes are likely to suffer many internal injuries, including burst eardrums, severe concussion, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness.” Such tactical weapons, however, are squibs when set against methane-air clouds from oceanic eruptions. Scientists calculate that they could “destroy terrestrial life almost entirely (251m years ago, only one large land animal, the pig-like lystrosaurus, survived). It has been estimated that a large eruption in future could release energy equivalent to 108 megatonnes of TNT – 100,000 times more than the world’s entire stockpile of nuclear weapons. Not even Lynas, for all his scientific propriety, can avoid the Hollywood ending. “It is not too difficult to imagine the ultimate nightmare, with oceanic methane eruptions near large population centres wiping out billions of people – perhaps in days. Imagine a ‘fuel-air explosive’ fireball racing towards a city – London, say, or Tokyo – the blast wave spreading out from the explosive centre with the speed and force of an atomic bomb. Buildings are flattened, people are incinerated where they stand, or left blind and deaf by the force of the explosion. Mix Hiroshima with post-Katrina New Orleans to get some idea of what such a catastrophe might look like: burnt survivors battling over food, wandering far and wide from empty cities.

Then would come hydrogen sulphide from the stagnant oceans. “It would be a silent killer: imagine the scene at Bhopal following the Union Carbide gas release in 1984, replayed first at coastal settlements, then continental interiors across the world. At the same time, as the ozone layer came under assault, we would feel the sun’s rays burning into our skin, and the first cell mutations would be triggering outbreaks of cancer among anyone who survived. Dante’s hell was a place of judgment, where humanity was for ever punished for its sins. With all the remaining forests burning, and the corpses of people, livestock and wildlife piling up in every continent, the six-degree world would be a harsh penalty indeed for the mundane crime of burning fossil energy.

LeftInTX

(25,201 posts)
12. It isn't just the South
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

Florida and Louisiana would be hit hardest by sea level rise.

Coast cities all over the country will be affected, but more so in the south because the coastal plain is much larger.

However, higher temps will cause more fires in the west, particularly in California.

Also the areas closest to the poles are the more affected by climate change. For instance climate change is more pronounced in the upper mid-west than it is in south Texas. The upper mid-west might see an 11 degree change, whereas south Texas might see only a 5 degree change.

The south was pretty much inhabitable until air conditioning made it's way down here. That is when the population began to swell.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
17. Your last point is salient
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

The history of the Gulf Coast particularly was dotted with intermittent outbreaks of mosquito-borne illness, yellow fever being the most pernicious. It was one of the reasons the upper crust in coastal cities would leave their urban confines during the long, oppressive summers. They returned with cooler temperatures when residents weren't forced to expose themselves to mosquitoes in seeking relief from the dangerous heat and humidity.

Even now, in cities like New Orleans and Mobile you can see the same cycles at play. Social and cultural season begins in the autumn and ends in spring, when the wealthy planters would head back upriver to their estates. I suspect Charleston and Savannah follow a similar ebb and flow.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
16. Really "ancestors evolved in equatorial climates"?
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:14 PM
Jan 2018

I'm just amazed at how ignorant people are. You would think we are some different species from white people. Human beings have evolved to live in a variety of climates,and can and do. Its how we survived the ice ages. There is no human being who has only evolved to live in hot climates or cold climates.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
20. I still cant believe this OP is still up
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:45 PM
Jan 2018

I am white as a blue eyed and fair skinned. My ancestors evolved in Africa as did the ancestors of all Homo sapiens. Millions of years in Africa and and ten thousand or so in Europe.

This reads like something out of the 1800’s.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
18. I find it interesting that people don't have these same fantasies about Nazi Germany
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

specifically about the holocaust and persecution/expulsion/and extermination of jewish people. Like fantasizing about how Germany won the war, took over all of europe, and then saying well in a 100 years, they would stop forcing jews into work camps and killing them, so eventually the Holocaust would have end, just it would take a 100 years.

No one thinks to do that. (and yes I'm aware of that one Netflix show about an alt history of Nazi Germany however they don't address continuing the holocaust, that is not part of the fantasy). Yet it is a fantasy of some white people conservative and liberal to have this fantasy of envisioning the enslavement of blacks continuing into the 21st century.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
19. this is truly offensive - why don't you mosey on over to that other site - you will feel right at
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:48 PM
Jan 2018

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