anyone else find it remarkable that the victims families don't want to blame the gun lobby?(Aurora)

[sasha031]

Just turned on CNN & 1 of the victim's father was telling Anderson off when he asked about gun laws, same thing happened on MSNBC.

[yawnmaster]

1. I don't find it remarkable at all. eom

[sasha031]

3. I didn't mean it in a good way, I'm shocked!!!!!!

My first question would of been how could this kid get his hands on all this amno.

[yawnmaster]

10. Having access to a large supply of ammo and guns is not what drove this guy to kill. eom

[Zoeisright]

33. Uh huh.

I have a blue fairy living in my garden and a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. Ammunition quantity is really irrelevant

The operational approach is that ammo is irrelevant if you don't have a weapon to fire it, and that is where the checks are supposed to be and were done.

Additionally, those kinds of quantities are far from unusual. Discounts start at around those amounts. I ( and every other competitor) have shot 2000 rounds of 12 gauge during a 5 day trap meet.

[Kolesar]

2. I doubt that the victims' relatives went to opensecrets.org to figure out where the contributions

...related to particular gun legislation have been coming from.
Kind of busy this weekend

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. So the father of one of the victims doesn't want an irrational response? Good for him.

Apparently he's not one of those guys who would think that irrational responses, such as prohibiting 3-ounces of liquids at the airports while the TSAs feel up the passengers, is a good idea.

Why not go for rational responses and stop demonizing all gun owners?

[Scootaloo]

5. Nobody demonizes gun owners

We demonize the dumbfucks who dedicate their entire lives and thoughts to firearms and pretend that their narrow scope of interest makes them better people than everyone else.

I.e., gun nuts.

[pipoman]

16. Except there is no indication

that any of the infamous mass killers had any interest in guns beyond their utilitarian value. Most buy their guns during the planning process, not long time gun enthusiasts, collectors, "gun nuts" or competitive shooters.

No, there are plenty in these parts who are demonizing gun owners.

[sasha031]

6. questioning being able to buy unlimited amounts of assault weapons & bullets is irrational?

[derby378]

24. I still affirm that cost Democrats the election in 1994

I'm in the business of getting Democrats elected and preserving our Constitutional rights. I still believe it can be done.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. If the owner is not a risk to society, who cares since *nothing* bad will come of it

If the owner is, they should not have a peashooter.

We need to focus on the people, not the magazine size

[blm]

11. Rational response would be to restrict sale of assault weapons and ammo....

like rational people have been asking, including law enforcement officials, rank and file.

[pipoman]

18. Except nobody has actually

decided what constitutes an "assault weapon".

[The empressof all]

7. It's the same syndrome that affects many folks who vote Republican

They are misinformed and believe what they have been told. Those folks who repeat Republican talking points do so think they are appearing "smart". It's what they hear on the news, in their churches and in their local bars. We are a nation that practices group think. The vast majority of Americans don't realize that the 2nd amendment does not forbid regulation and they believe that there are more gun controls in place than there actually are.

[sasha031]

9. the father on CNN & brother of the girl who was killed on MSNBC

were repeating the same talking points I hear from the NRA people.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. Who do you know or think are the NRA people?

[handmade34]

12. possibly

the victims families merely want to talk about their loved ones, grieve and not engage in controversial talk about laws right now...

people deal with their emotions in different ways... many of us want to address our intense emotions about gun violence as a way to deal with our grief... some people want to not even think about those things in their time of grief... we are different and somehow must attempt some respect for each other...

(not to say that some of us aren't irrational and stupid about how we approach this issue)

[sasha031]

17. excellent point

[Trunk Monkey]

13. Not at all

The gun lobby didn't shoot up that theater a fucking maniac w/ a gun did

[otohara]

21. No They Just Lobby

For WMD's to be available to all without question!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. Can you show me where anyone has lobbied for Chemical, Biological, or

nuclear weapons to be owned by civilians? My uncle's farts don't count.

Can you show us where anyone has argued for crazy people to be able to get weapons.

Can you show me how your hyperbole is going to help anything?


Finally, semi auto rifles are not WMD...but then you already knew that.

[otohara]

36. Oh I'm Sorry, I Thought

If a weapon is designed to shoot off a hundred bullets in a matter of minutes and kills and injures a hundred people, I call that massive destruction.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. Words have meaning and they matter

If semi automatic civilian rifles are WMD, you have now justified Bush's Iraq invasion, and that of just about any other nation.

That would be something to be sorry for.

[Raine]

14. No, not really. I'm sure their loss itself is upper most in their minds. nt

[slackmaster]

15. Maybe they have enough sense to blame the guy who did it instead

I think most people do.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Not surprising at all

I personally know plenty of Republicans who would gladly let their own children die from lack of health care because it is called Obamacare.

Don

[Fumesucker]

22. Exactly, good point.. n/t

[spanone]

20. ONE victim ONE family member. perhaps some of the victims and their families do blame gun lobby?

[Comrade_McKenzie]

23. Going through a tragedy does not make you a guru on public policy. nt

[pipoman]

25. Maybe they will blame

a society which allows it's government to spend their money on never ending wars...not the least of which, Raygun's War on Drugs...instead of mental health services for anyone who needs it.

[Egalitarian Thug]

44. +1

[sendero]

27. I find it...

.. mature, pretty unlike many here.

[gregoire]

30. Maybe because the media is covering up...

the replies from the sensible victims. As usual, the nonviolent don't get as much of the soapbox as the violent. The violent are more interesting and usually lead on the news.

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. Aren't you the one who suggested this tragedy be framed as having been perpetrated by

someone totally against the Affordable Care Act simply because this guy dropped out of medical school? As in "this story has legs"?

[obamanut2012]

38. yes

[permatex]

45. You'll love this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1006830
He claims that you can't find stories of DGU's

[Edweird]

32. No. It would be like blaming the 'auto lobby' for some jerk's intentional vehicular homicide.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. No, as most families suffering a loss do not jump to policitize the tragedy

because that is exploitation of their fallen loved ones. It is commendable that they are not doing so.

[gkhouston]

37. I doubt most of them know which end is up right now,

much less give a crap about 2nd Amendment politics.

[Egalitarian Thug]

43. +1

[-..__...]

40. They refuse to be Brady Campaign bootlickers and ass puppets...

quite admirable of them, I must say.

[Posteritatis]

41. Maybe they want to blame the shooter? (nt)

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. The obscenity of your hubris makes me sick. n/t

[permatex]

46. Why would he?

The gun lobby didn't kill those people, a very, IMHO, disturbed young man did.