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Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:18 PM Jan 2018

"Why Do the Koch Brothers Want a Convention of States?" - CHARLES P. PIERCE

[link:http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14841457/convention-of-states-campaign-secession/|]

But the larger danger is that the idea of disunion, within states and generally throughout the country, has now become not only a viable topic of political discussion, but also a viable political strategy. The whole blue-red thing used to be an easy way to distinguish on television which geographical area voted for what candidate. Then, it became shorthand for all manner of political differences. It was inexact and shallow, but inexact and shallow people found it convenient, so everybody went along with it. Now, though, those divisions are driving policy in a way that they rarely have in the past, and when they have, the policies generally resulted in ghastly consequences.

For example, the portion of the recently passed tax bill involving the deduction of state and local taxes is directly aimed at the (largely blue) states that are willing to pay for a certain quality of life for their citizens through local taxes. Basically, Massachusetts is being penalized for deciding not to be Mississippi. The same dynamic is at work with Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III and his newly announced war on decriminalized marijuana, in which Colorado is being penalized for not being Alabama. This latter instance has the added power of federal law enforcement behind it, which (theoretically) puts politicians like Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper and Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey at risk. But the use of disunion as a political tool is exemplified best by the campaign to call a constitutional convention of the states under Article V of the present Constitution.


Right now, the people pushing the convention—and we’ll get to them in a minute—have commitments from 28 state legislatures. They need 34 to trigger the Constitution’s provision for a “convention of the states.” Four states are on the verge of voting on the issue now: South Carolina, Kentucky, Montana, and Idaho. (South Carolina has an unfortunate history with the consequences of disunion as a political tactic, which it apparently has been encouraged to forget.) If the convention is called, the disunion that has become a faith in some conservative quarters will run amok. Economic oligarchy will be established in law, and any political check on the powers of business likely will be eviscerated.

As to the former, the Koch Brothers and other aspiring oligarchs are the money behind the movement toward a convention. As to the latter, the whole thing is being sold under the camouflage of a desire to enact a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution—aka The Worst Idea In American Politics. But even the late Antonin Scalia admitted that a convention so called cannot be limited to one topic, and, anyway, a visit to the website of Convention of the States Project, one of the most prominent organizations in favor of the convention, reveals that the convention is a device for profound political sabotage.





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"Why Do the Koch Brothers Want a Convention of States?" - CHARLES P. PIERCE (Original Post) Anon-C Jan 2018 OP
Trying to make US a third world country Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #1
Exactly Matthew28 Jan 2018 #3
Joy Reid was talking obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2018 #2
Return to a time of Robber Barons, company towns, adulterated food and medicine... Thomas Hurt Jan 2018 #4
Republicans want to Make America Poor Again Sophia4 Jan 2018 #6
And... say welcome to Theocracy!! longship Jan 2018 #5
Democrats need Matthew28 Jan 2018 #7
I would seriously go to war with the Koch roaches. Initech Jan 2018 #9
We fought a war over the ultimate "disunion." Duppers Jan 2018 #8
This is probably the only time, in their remaining lives they'll get this chance, before a blue wave TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #10
More from WP 2014: OhioBlue Jan 2018 #11

Matthew28

(1,796 posts)
3. Exactly
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jan 2018

They want to role everything back to the 18th century, destroy the safetynet, and make it illegal to invest in infrastructure, science and education.

Pretty much if the Robber Barons in the corporate world don't do it = you're shit out of luck.

It is the real agenda of the gop.

obnoxiousdrunk

(2,909 posts)
2. Joy Reid was talking
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

about it last week on her show. All they need is six more states to have a convention. Scary shit ...

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. Return to a time of Robber Barons, company towns, adulterated food and medicine...
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:43 PM
Jan 2018

burning rivers, child labor, maybe even indenture and slavery.

Matthew28

(1,796 posts)
7. Democrats need
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:36 PM
Jan 2018

to fight like hell to make sure that this never happens.

There's no mountain more important to hold then this one.

Initech

(100,039 posts)
9. I would seriously go to war with the Koch roaches.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:59 PM
Jan 2018

They brought this on us. I have no doubt in my mind that they were complicit in allowing this whole Russia bullshit to happen. Shit, those motherfuckers probably financed it.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
8. We fought a war over the ultimate "disunion."
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jan 2018

Every time I read that word, this is what I think of.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
11. More from WP 2014:
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:48 PM
Jan 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/21/a-constitutional-convention-could-be-the-single-most-dangerous-way-to-fix-american-government/?utm_term=.f9a9734099ef

Moreover, given the potential to write major policy changes into the Constitution where they would be almost impossible to remove, powerful, well-funded interest groups probably would spend vast sums to influence the selection of delegates and then the convention itself. There are no federal or state limits on what powerful interests and wealthy individuals could spend to influence convention delegates. Burger expressed concern that a “Constitutional Convention today would be a free-for-all for special interest groups.”

One can readily imagine a convention leading to extensive “log-rolling,” where delegates backed certain changes to the Constitution in return for others’ support for their own preferred changes. A sprawling package of alterations could emerge, designed to build support for the overall package by including the favored fixes of single-issue constituencies.

Our country faces enough problems and division. We don’t need to add to them and inflame an already toxic political environment by placing at risk the constitutional structure that has served us well for more than two centuries — and heading into dangerous, unknown territory by convening a convention to rework the Constitution.
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