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Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:57 AM

Color Me Suspicious but This is Disturbing

Three Days after the Hawaii false alarm of an impending missile strike, Japan sends out a false alarm of their own.

WTF?


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/16/578283950/japan-also-sends-out-then-retracts-a-false-missile-warning

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Reply Color Me Suspicious but This is Disturbing (Original post)
peggysue2 Jan 2018 OP
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #9
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #10
lark Jan 2018 #21
matt819 Jan 2018 #23
Pachamama Jan 2018 #26
Wwcd Jan 2018 #2
Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #3
MontanaMama Jan 2018 #4
Nay Jan 2018 #5
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #12
uponit7771 Jan 2018 #13
brush Jan 2018 #6
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #8
brush Jan 2018 #15
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #16
brush Jan 2018 #17
left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #7
uponit7771 Jan 2018 #11
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #14
gratuitous Jan 2018 #18
LanternWaste Jan 2018 #27
gratuitous Jan 2018 #28
Blue_true Jan 2018 #19
AlexSFCA Jan 2018 #20
askyagerz Jan 2018 #22
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #25
Texin Jan 2018 #24

Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:00 PM

1. LIke I said two minutes after I read the report, this is the KGB hacking the system.

So they did it in Japan as well.

We are being lied to about what happened because even the people responsible are still not sure.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:27 PM

9. This!

That was exactly what I was worried about when I heard the Hawaii report--could this have been a hack? Of course, we were told and continue to be told it was 'human error," nothing to see here.

Now Japan.

No one wants to be crazy paranoid but . . . we know adversaries are making a concerted effort to breach our infrastructure. We know the Trumpster is refusing to do anything to counter the on-going foreign cyber-probing/attacks. We also know The Donald is unstable.

This is not a good combination.

In addition to all this, a Serbian official was assassinated this morning, cancelling the EU meetings for some sort of resolution between the Serb and Albanian governments.

There's a lot of mayhem going on around the world. I suspect it wraps itself around: who benefits from creating incessant turmoil and anxiety?

I have a few candidates in mind

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:29 PM

10. Serbian situation I was not aware of. Yeah, it is gonna get real ugly real soon.

Chief traitor and team, mcconnell, ryan, pence, kushner, etc (chief traitor is my name for the prick that stole the WH) are all guilty of taking russian money, most are probably also involved in some money laundering, so they will not go quietly.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:44 PM

21. So, is that the real story?

Putin told drumpf he was doing this and not to fuck it up so he totally said nothing to ensure the chaos and fear that his master wanted?
I could see that.

I could also see drumpf not saying anything once he was told that this was a mistake because the people in Hawaii didn't vote for him so fuck them.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:51 PM

23. Add me to the suspicious hacking list

It does seem that the Hawaii incident was human error - or, tinfoil hat on, that's the story they're sticking with.

But to have it happen a second time in just a few days, when it hasn't happened at all previously? As they say in all the cop shows, I don't believe in coincidences.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:08 PM

26. +1000

Completely Agree

That was my first thought as well on Sunday and now I am even more so convinced now that it happened in Japan today.

I am very worried that any system that is accessed by computer is in fact safe from being hacked and/or manipulated. That includes email, personal records, websites, financial data, election systems, phone and emergency alert systems and yes, even missile systems.

THIS....

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:00 PM

2. Suspicious & disturbing. Your senses are correct I believe.

 

We trust nothing anymore.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:00 PM

3. So you don't suspect that Russians or Chinese are hacking into certain defense systems, eh?

I guess we'd rather believe that it was a simple human error-- pushing the wrong button. Oh. And then there's "pushing the wrong button" in Japan.

Who won the lottery? Two "one in a billion" occurrences within 72 hours! Who would have thought?

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:02 PM

4. Wonder if the US

and Japan are being hacked? Another scarier option...what if this is a back door way for us to fire our own missile at NK? If we “think” NK has fires one at us...we’d respond in kind. Something is fishy about all this. We’ve had this warning system in place for decades and this is the first time there was a mistake like this? Seems unlikely.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:06 PM

5. Agreed. Very fishy. Looks like we're getting set up for a missile exchange.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:30 PM

12. Timing during a Trump administration

rattling twitter sabres with NK is suspicious to me.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:31 PM

13. Not being hacked per say just logged into because we have Russians running Washington ...

... Red Don would no doubt sell anyone system credentials.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:09 PM

6. Hope we're not being lulled into Chicken Little territory...

where we get to the point that if a real one happens we just think it's another mistake.

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:26 PM

8. My husband said the same thing as soon as he heard the news from Hawaii.

Alas, nothing would surprise me anymore. I fear the worst case in all scenarios.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:42 PM

15. I wondered whether the one in Hawaii was a mistake on purpose...

to not just see how the populace reacts but to acclimate us to accepting the inevitability of war.

Some generals have even been quoted as saying a war is coming.

Something is definitely up though as two "mistakes" like this so close together is highly unlikely.

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Response to brush (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:45 PM

16. Good question

I goofed. My husband speculated about a Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario. He was wondering if false alarms would be used so the populace would ignore alerts when a real missile attack was initiated.

Either way it's too coincidental for my comfort!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:09 PM

17. Yeah, the Chicken Little/Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario only came to me...

after the second false alarm in Japan.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

7. So the guy in Hawaii ...

... who admitted to pushing the wrong button
is really a KGB operative
lying about pushing the wrong button?


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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:30 PM

11. No, since we have Russians running Washington they can get codes and break into systems and

... trigger alarms.

Not too far fetched

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:31 PM

14. Never said that

No, we shouldn't be crazy paranoid but this latest report from Japan does not inspire confidence. Either we're being hacked or we and our allies are woefully unprepared for turbulent times.

Neither is good.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:18 PM

18. Or, that's the cover story that's been concocted

It's certainly down-the-rabbithole stuff, but in all the spy novels there is a cover story and a scapegoat. The guy in Hawaii who admitted to pushing the wrong button may just be the scapegoat/fall guy for this episode. If the reassigned button pusher suddenly commits suicide or dies in a shark attack or just plain disappears, it would be even more suspicious.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:11 PM

27. Slowly backing away from the CT crowd

Slowly backing away from the CT crowd for whom any eventual resolution is validation of their suspicions.

Yikes.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:10 PM

28. I'm just saying keep an eye on the situation

For those of us of a certain vintage, the notion that the Reagan administration swapped arms for hostages in Iran then used the proceeds to fund the Contras in Central America sounded pretty far-fetched once upon a time, too. As did the idea of more recent vintage that the United States would set up its own little concentration camp on the Cuban island so as to be beyond the reach of the American justice system, where "prisoners of war" are still being held and tortured to this day.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:50 PM

19. I pray that at least Kim will be proven sane.

I read that a new warning system was put in place after Trump started the latest insanity. I just hope the North Koreans don't have an itchy trigger finger given the false alarms on our side.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:40 PM

20. provoking NK to justify pre-emptive strike

US and Japan are partnering to eliminate NK?

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:48 PM

22. I wonder if it's just a citizen hackers

Hacked hawaii. Then when they said it was human error and they didn't get the credit that hackers oh so crave they started working on Japan. Probably similar systems

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Response to askyagerz (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:02 PM

25. I wonder that, too.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:02 PM

24. "US and Japan are partnering to eliminate NK?"

Well, according to the former US national security director under HW Bush (I believe that's right), who is an expert on nuclear weapons and is still in his 90s actively traveling the world and trying to educate and direct efforts against proliferation of nuclear weapons, even a limited strike at a country like North Korea will inevitably not be survivable. His belief that while humans may not all die immediately as a result of a limited nuke strike, the effects on the upper atmosphere would produce such catastrophic consequences in such very short order that it's almost assured that the human species would be extinct along with an enormous number of other mammalian species as a result of the global atmospheric and weather changes that result. He believes this would produce the Third Extinction. I do not believe that any nuclear country (with the possible exception of only NK) want to seriously entertain the notion of any kind of nuclear deployment. The only shithole that truly does believe that deploying a nuclear weapon is a good idea is Shitler. He is joined by some within this military who think that the consequences would be worth the risk to be sure, but Shitler only wants to do this because he believes it would prove he's got the biggest swingin' dick in the in the universe. The others are those who are apparently disciples of Dr. Strangelove.

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