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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:13 AM Jul 2012

How Japan Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-japan-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths-2012-7


To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.
Even the most basic framework of Japan's approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America's. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" and narrows it down from there.

Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that "No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords," later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it. The history of that is complicated, but it's worth noting that U.S. gun law has its roots in resistance to British gun restrictions, whereas some academic literature links the Japanese law to the national campaign to forcibly disarm the samurai, which may partially explain why the 1958 mentions firearms and swords side-by-side.

Of course, Japan and the U.S. are separated by a number of cultural and historical difference much wider than their gun policies. Kopel explains that, for whatever reason, Japanese tend to be more tolerant of the broad search and seizure police powers necessary to enforce the ban. "Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police," he writes. But even the police did not carry firearms themselves until, in 1946, the American occupation authority ordered them to. Now, Japanese police receive more hours of training than their American counterparts, are forbidden from carrying off-duty, and invest hours in studying martial arts in part because they "are expected to use [firearms] in only the rarest of circumstances," according to Kopel.


*** dear mr. kopel -- with americans as heavily surveilled as they are, with the police behaving like storm troopers with peaceful protestors, and the security state disappearing muslim americans for 1st amendment violations -- we already live in a police state.
i'd like to be able to go to the movies without an armed to the teeth crazy person with murderous intent shooting the place up.


Read more: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/#ixzz21XN7bdMe
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How Japan Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2012 OP
It's not just the disarming of the samurai class Hells Liberal Jul 2012 #1
I think I know where this angle is heading Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #2
Yeah, what a surprise that it is... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #8
A goodly number of Americans would tolerate it. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #18
Monocultural Society formercia Jul 2012 #3
Not to say that there is no gun culture in Japan. TheMightyFavog Jul 2012 #12
Wish it were so here. Great post. Hoyt Jul 2012 #4
Those expanded police search and seizure powers excite you, don't they? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #6
If it gets those holding an arsenal in their homes, OK with me. Time to deal with gun hacks. Hoyt Jul 2012 #10
Do the cops need warrants? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #13
I think it's fair to say that anyone who clings to the vestiges of the old-Republic 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #15
I cant believe someone here would advocate to give the police such powers. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #20
They still need reason to search. And surveillance of gun acquisitions needs Hoyt Jul 2012 #21
"broad search and seizure police powers necessary to enforce the ban" hack89 Jul 2012 #5
Only criminals should have guns. ileus Jul 2012 #7
Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it. Edweird Jul 2012 #9
I agree with the Japanese plan.. Sancho Jul 2012 #11
Japans overall crime rates are very different from ours 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #14
Rape is drastically underreported there obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #17
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2012 #16
See, the thing about America is POWER. We give power away for free. Gregorian Jul 2012 #19
 

Hells Liberal

(88 posts)
1. It's not just the disarming of the samurai class
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:36 AM
Jul 2012

With the exception of India, Japan has one of the longest class/caste systems in place in the world. Unlike the United States, commoners were discouraged from owning weapons or learning martial arts, sometimes under pain of death.

Americans would never tolerate either situation.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
18. A goodly number of Americans would tolerate it.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jul 2012

They are also almost certainly not currently in possession of firearms anyway...

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
12. Not to say that there is no gun culture in Japan.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:04 AM
Jul 2012

Over there building and collecting ultra-realistic non firing gun replica kits is a popular hobby.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. If it gets those holding an arsenal in their homes, OK with me. Time to deal with gun hacks.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:02 AM
Jul 2012
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
15. I think it's fair to say that anyone who clings to the vestiges of the old-Republic
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:10 AM
Jul 2012

and nonsense like the 4th amendment can be safely assumed to be a gun-nut and should be arrested on the spot.

We're making the world a better place Citizen. All we ask of you is to obey.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. "broad search and seizure police powers necessary to enforce the ban"
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:26 AM
Jul 2012

Is this what you really want? Officially sanctioned profiling /stop and frisk?

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
11. I agree with the Japanese plan..
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:02 AM
Jul 2012

In the US, we should license gun owners: 1.) training, 2.) mental health check, 3.) background check.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. Japans overall crime rates are very different from ours
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:09 AM
Jul 2012

not just violent crimes either.

It's a different culture.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
17. Rape is drastically underreported there
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:18 AM
Jul 2012

As are other sex crimes, WAY more than here. Pedophile and sex with teen minors also doesn't have social stigma as it does here.

I am always leery when Japan is held up as a low-crime haven, because it really isn't in many ways, and I'm not even including the Yakuzi and their crimes.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
19. See, the thing about America is POWER. We give power away for free.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jul 2012

I'll spare my rant of things that Americans get for essentially free that they might have to be licensed more carefully for. All I can say is freedom is not free for all. This is what Europe gets that America doesn't.

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