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riversedge

(70,182 posts)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:36 PM Jan 2018

Women would lose $4.6 billion in earned tips if the administrations tip stealing rule is finaliz

There are several tables in this article. What a shitass deal!!
I sent this article to my Senators and Rep.




Women would lose $4.6 billion in earned tips if the administration’s ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalizedOverall, workers would lose $5.8 billion

http://www.epi.org/publication/women-would-lose-4-6-billion-in-earned-tips-if-the-administrations-tip-stealing-rule-is-finalized-overall-tipped-workers-would-lose-5-8-billion/

Report • By Heidi Shierholz, David Cooper, Julia Wolfe, and Ben Zipperer • January 17, 2018

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The Department of Labor (DOL) has proposed a rule that would make it legal for employers to pocket their workers’ tips, as long as they pay those workers at least the minimum wage. The proposed rule rescinds portions of longstanding DOL regulations that prohibit employers from taking tips.1 We estimate that if the rule is finalized, every year workers will lose $5.8 billion in tips, as tips are shifted from workers to employers.2 Of the $5.8 billion, nearly 80 percent—$4.6 billion—would be taken from women who are working in tipped jobs.3

DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling. Of course, once employers have full control of tips, one of the things they could do with those tips is distribute them to “back of the house” workers like dishwashers and cooks. But the proposed rule does not require employers to distribute the tips, so employers would be no more likely to share tips with back-of-the-house workers than they would be to make any other choice about what to do with a business windfall, including using the money to make capital improvements to their establishments, to increase executive pay, or to line their own pockets.

Many employers pocket tips even now, when it is illegal for them to do so (for example, research on workers in Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York found that 12 percent of tipped workers had tips stolen from them by their employer or supervisor).4 The fact that illegal tip theft is so prevalent underscores that when employers can legally pocket tips, many will. And basic economic logic dictates that it is highly unlikely that back-of-the-house workers will get more pay. There is currently no limit to what these workers can be paid, so employers are already paying their back-of-the-house workers what they need to pay to attract workers willing to work in those jobs. If employers do share some tips with them, it will likely be offset by a reduction in their base pay, leaving their take-home pay largely unaffected.

The economic effects of this rule are as follows: (1) tipped workers will lose $5.8 billion a year in tips, (2) the take-home pay of back-of-the-house workers will remain largely unchanged, and (3) employers will get a $5.8 billion a year windfall. The $5.8 billion is 16.1 percent of the estimated $36.4 billion in tips earned by tipped workers annually and amounts to more than $1,000 per year on average across all tipped workers........................

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Women would lose $4.6 billion in earned tips if the administrations tip stealing rule is finaliz (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2018 OP
Republicans HATE working people, always have. This is fucking amazing. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1
yep. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #21
If they do this, I will no longer tip PERIOD! Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #2
Yeah! Find out if the server gets their Cha Jan 2018 #6
Just give the server cash right in their hand. Never leave a tip on a credit card. Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #11
Actually, diners probably would quickly stop tipping. forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #18
This is an outrage! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #3
Unbelievable. Next they'll legalize stealing candy from babies. PatentlyDemocratic Jan 2018 #4
What the holy Fuck! Cha Jan 2018 #5
This is #1,000,000,001 thing this admin has been doing for a year BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #7
What wont they steal? Cracklin Charlie Jan 2018 #8
One thing about servers though - they would only put up with this for about one week and walk out Turn CO Blue Jan 2018 #9
In upscale restaurants, really great servers were making Ilsa Jan 2018 #10
Trickle down tipping. Making America great again. oasis Jan 2018 #12
Trump probably got this idea from Steve Wynn, who started stealing tips from casino employees disalitervisum Jan 2018 #13
3rd Rock from the Sun - Tipping keithbvadu2 Jan 2018 #14
And when workers have less money to spend, the economy, which depends on consumer spending, anks!.nt tblue37 Jan 2018 #15
Only go to restaurants that advertise servers get all the tips; that owners take none of tips. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #16
Who comes up with ideas like taking tips? Ohioboy Jan 2018 #17
The filthy rich. They wont be happy until they have all the money AllyCat Jan 2018 #19
Been happening to exotic dancers Motownman78 Jan 2018 #22
women would lose 4.6 of the 5.8 billion........ Takket Jan 2018 #20

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. Republicans HATE working people, always have. This is fucking amazing.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:40 PM
Jan 2018

When will people get angry?

I know, when it affects THEM

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
2. If they do this, I will no longer tip PERIOD!
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:40 PM
Jan 2018

I currently ALWAYS tip 20%. I will NOT line the corporation's pocket.

forgotmylogin

(7,523 posts)
18. Actually, diners probably would quickly stop tipping.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 11:12 PM
Jan 2018

The minute they know the wait staff is getting paid minimum wage, the tips will go away. The only reason we do in America is we *know* it goes to the server and they don't get paid otherwise.

Restaurant patrons will quickly realize there's no reason to leave extra money. Why in the world would you want to tip the owner of the restaurant more than the bill? You've already paid them in the check. They didn't pour you any coffee.

Now the trick is getting servers paid *more* than minimum wage.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. This is an outrage!
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jan 2018

I don't want my tips going into employer's pockets. I always tip very well, but I want to make sure that money goes to the server. Is there a way to know what establishments practice this policy? Will cash tips be a way around it?

Cha

(297,066 posts)
5. What the holy Fuck!
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jan 2018

I can't see the greedy ass owners doing this IF it becomes law.

K&R.. Mahalo rivers

BigmanPigman

(51,583 posts)
7. This is #1,000,000,001 thing this admin has been doing for a year
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jan 2018

now and goes unnoticed. This admin and the GOP is running with the ball while they have it. They are the definition of greedy sociopaths!

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
9. One thing about servers though - they would only put up with this for about one week and walk out
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jan 2018

WITHOUT NOTICE.

Good luck to any greedy restaurants that adopt this tip-stealing policy... I seriously predict that no servers/wait staff would work for $9
an hour here in Denver.

in my neighborhood - McDonald's starts at 11.50 and Wal-mart starts at 10.50 with a raise after 6 weeks.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
10. In upscale restaurants, really great servers were making
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 09:11 PM
Jan 2018

$75k and up 25-30 years ago. Tip stealing would be a huge income boost for employers, but leave servers bankrupt. Then the quality of service at the nice place would crash.

 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
13. Trump probably got this idea from Steve Wynn, who started stealing tips from casino employees
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jan 2018

many years ago. Steve Wynn, widely held in contempt by former employees of his hotels in Las Vegas, is also the chairman of fund-raising for the RNC, appointed to the party post by Trump.

 

Motownman78

(491 posts)
22. Been happening to exotic dancers
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:36 AM
Jan 2018

for decades. Dancers have to do a tip-out at the end of each night where they pay the hostess, bartender, dj, and bouncer a share of their tips.

Takket

(21,551 posts)
20. women would lose 4.6 of the 5.8 billion........
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 11:21 PM
Jan 2018

if that number was reversed, i wonder if the GOP, who prefer women at home pregnant and baking, would even be discussing this.

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