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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo, the hippies were not right.
Every so often someone posts something along the lines of "the Hippies were right about X. Y and/or Z."
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As a matter of fact the hippies were not right. We do not live in peace and harmony. Widespread use of marijuana has not created a paradise. All that free love created were vectors of disease.
If there was a pop culture phenomenon that was right about many things in the future it was DEVO. Their predicted future was ceaselessly crass commercialism, obesity and more religious nuts.
This is a trailer for the forthcoming DEVO documentary. Watch it, it looks cool:
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/43157612" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/43157612">Official DEVO Documentary: 5-minute Preview</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/devofilm">DEVOfilm</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
deutsey
(20,166 posts)(like the Diggers in SF in the mid-'60s) and then there were those who climbed aboard "the bus" because it was fashionable to do so (among them corporations that capitalized on hippie clothing styles).
IMO
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)Not the peace and love. There are plenty that missed the point.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Very classy.
Another hippie puncher.
THEY certainly have made the world a better place
MagickMuffin
(15,933 posts)When is it going to be released and will it be in movie theaters??
I don't think your premise that hippies weren't right about things is incorrect. It has been my observation that the hippies were right about some things!
I don't think the hippies thought that marijuana was going to change anything. The hippies weren't dumb they knew that TPTB would never give up their power. I grew up hearing that war was necessary for economic stimulus. I also knew that working at a defense contractor I could make a lot more money than the career path I ended up taking. I did not want to work for a company whose sole purpose was making bombs or planes in which to drop those bombs on innocent human beings no matter which country they lived in. And yes I was a pot smoker, so my decisions were about peace and harmony.
Society has to want to change to make things better. That is where DEVO gets it right. They understood that! We as a society have to want to make the changes that are necessary to coexist on this planet. However, we have not evolved yet in making the necessary changes.
patrice
(47,992 posts)individual effort to do so, no matter what others are doing, is a valuable/worthy/good individual choice and commitment.
I don't know any hippies who ever said "the widespread of marijuana will create a paradise", but rather that weed is pleasant and helpful and that it is good for people to question the social programming that makes prescription drugs and alcohol, both relatively if not more harmful, politically correct and demonizes marijuana and LSD.
I don't know any hippies that ever said free sex is the same thing as free love and if we might blame those disease vectors you mention on anything, I don't know why we'd say things like lack of personal responsibility is the private domain of hippies and not, as is so abundantly clear, a trait of our culture as a whole.
I don't know any hippies who were in the habit of making any kinds of predictions about "many things in the future". We were trying to make the best of now, because of our concerns about the future. I still now authentic counter-culture people, many of them old hippies, who are doing exactly that, living authentically now. And if you feel it necessary to fault them for anything, it might be that their culture isn't about politically aggressive attempts to change anyone but themselves.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Feel the hippie,
Dream the hippie,
Touch the hippie,
Love the hippie LOL
nolabels
(13,133 posts)They still hate them today like they did then because they spilled the truth. It is the same kind of hate that bounces in and riddles places like DU. Today the gun-nuts have invaded, tomorrow it will be somebody else. The longevity of real DUer's is knowing we will still be here the days after they leave
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)drokhole
(1,230 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)From an old hippie.
patrice
(47,992 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Saying that the hippies did not triumph is a weird way to prove they were not "right" about something.
I was "right" that we should not have invaded Iraq.
I do not see that the fact my viewpoint did not prevail means that I was not right.
patrice
(47,992 posts)the real things that real people were and still are doing with their lives.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)We never called ourselves "hippies"
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Response to AngryAmish (Original post)
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Walk away
(9,494 posts)Otherwise it doesn't really make any sense.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #10)
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StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)And we still are. And we prefer the term "free spirits".
Haters gonna hate.
Get over it. Lighten up. Come and get some free love, sexy baby!
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)100% with you on Devo and the message they spread.
As far as the hippies. The ones I knew & know were all avid anti-war & pro-environment. To the point they felt that both if left up to the devices of the elite would be used & exploited for profit and destroyed for future generations. I still think they were correct in that assessment. They wanted us to live in harmony. They wanted the wars to end. They wanted the lands protected. It hasn't failed because they failed. It failed because the media and the corporations skewed public opinion against those positions just as they do today with personal attacks and hate filled screeds that never address the underlying issue.
To the true hippies. To the ones who never went corporate America after the wave receded. I say thanks for trying and continuing to try.
JohnnyRingo
(18,623 posts)Ghoulardi was a Cleveland icon with his late night B rated horror movies. Books have been written about him, and he helped break the career of local funny man and friend Tim Conway.
I remember staying up late on Friday nights watching crappy movies so I could see him blow up viewer's model cars with M-80s. Later I read stories about how he would sit in a bar down the street from WJW watching the news until his time came up. He would then run down the block, don the wig and glasses on the fly, and bolt onto the set just in time for his show.
I loved the Spud Boys from Akron so much in the day I played "Are We Not Men" until I could almost hear the flip side bleeding through the vinyl, much to the chagrin of my neighbors and now ex-wife.
Thanx for posting. I'm eagerly awaiting the documentary of the under-rated genius that was Devo. It's ironically typical of a devolved pop culture that the only hit song they spawned was the throw away track "Whip It".
kooljerk666
(776 posts)Someone, for years, climbed up & painted all the Devon signs on US Rt 202 in King Of Prussia PA, to DEVO, this went on for 15 years & sadly has stopped.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)back in the 1970s. I was insanely jealous that we never had a horror host that cool in the Twin Cities back in the day. Nowdays you can find much cool Ghoulardi material on youtube.
Ernie "Ghoulardi" Anderson eventually became an announcer for ABC. He was the voice of "The Loooooooooove Boat" voiceover. What an age we live in, Dobie.
STAY SICK! KNIF!
I was too young to be a hippie, but was very much a freak in the 1970s. Rock 'n' roll (the weirder the better), weed, the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, homemade water pipes, hair halfway down my back - the whole nine yards. Had "Impeach Nixon" stickers on my bass cases. Ahh, those were good times.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ohiosmith
(24,262 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)"The hippies were right" videos mean that we are now living in peace and harmony, widespread use of marijuana has brought paradise, free love, etc. In fact, you're trivializing something really important here, and you shouldn't--which makes me think you are either misinformed, a troll or making a joke that no one is going to get (if the last, you might want to start making use of the smilies there to cue people to laugh). The "Hippies were right" videos say things like "The Hippies were right, we are ruining the environment and we need to take care of it." And "mass processed food is full of bad stuff," and "war is bad" (that's not right? Huh. Coulda fooled me given the whole Iraq fiasco).
But, again, what you're really getting wrong is the message, which you seem to take as "The hippies pop culture phenomenon was the best!" This upsets you because, obviously, your '80's pop culture phenomenon was the best! Still stuck in "Breakfast Club" High School are we? Like bubble skirts, Ronald Reagan, crack cocaine, "The Facts of Life," and Mili Vanilli were such great culture contributions....
News Flash: "The Hippies were Right" isn't an argument for "free love." It's an argument against the usual conservative, 1% bullshit which demeans and mocks (wow, just like you're doing) certain important facts so that the messenger of such facts, and his message will be ignored. This allows certain conservatives and 1% type folks to keep doing what they want to do--the stuff that makes them rich and powerful. Like polluting and creating weapons for pointless wars.
Oh, and FYI, the ridiculous culture war between Gen X and the Hippies is 30 years out of date. Get over it. The "Hippies were right" doesn't mean that the Gen X folk (and Devo) were wrong. There is a common enemy here, and so long as you turn your sights on the Hippies rather than on that common enemy, it doesn't matter who is right, no one will listen to your message.
Response to AngryAmish (Original post)
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AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)The point of DEVO is that, as a culture, we are fucked up and only getting worse. At the core being a hippie is an optimistic endeavor. Over time, who was right?
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)it was a stupid waste of my time. If we are fucked up and only getting worse, why bother??? Why not just all kill ourselves?
The DEVO's weren't offering any solution. They were playing silly games- making fun of where they said we were headed and doing absolutely nothing to try and change it, other than using it to promote themselves. What were they right about? That society was getting worse?- and what did they propose to do about it other than mock it-
Kind of a self fulfilling prophesy if you ask me.
Are you trying to say that because the idea of Haight Ashbury, of trusting people to give and share and treat others with acceptance and kindness didn't remain pure or succeed that it was wrong? What IS so wrong about Peace Love and Understanding???
Hell, given your perspective the Democratic party should just fold up shop. Cause we aren't where we wanted to be, and the republicans who talked of doom and gloom and selfishness and capitalism seem to be 'right'- so that makes our way WRONG?
Sorry AngryAmish I must be pretty stupid, because I can't understand what your point is.
Paka
(2,760 posts)I was there in the '60's and we really did believe that understanding in conjuncion with peace and love could accomplish a lot. We weren't wrong, it just didn't take hold and that's why we are where we are.
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)just because it hasn't yet happened, doesn't mean it won't eventually-
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The main creative force of DEVO records shit loads of hack movie and cartoon scores, also done for the same reason, to make money. DEVO was about as deep and meaningful as a post office box stuffed with royalty checks. Don't get me wrong, they were big fun, I just don't take them seriously.
The point of DEVO was to generate profit for members of DEVO. The end.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)My first thought was "LOL WUT?"
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Lame
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the Hippies' positions (aka 'creating a straw man') and then move from that to a promo for DEVO?????
I really wish you would self-delete this highly questionable OP. Or re-work it substantially.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)I lived through the time being referenced and not one person that anyone ever described as a hippy ever called themselves a hippy back then. They called themselves freaks.
Good movie to watch to find out the way things really were back then is Panic In Needle Park.
Don
immoderate
(20,885 posts)And we were right!
--imm
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I've told my children that we did not call ourselves hippies, we were freaks-with an f not a ph as in phat
skip fox
(19,356 posts)cover a small state with a single swipe!
There were many different people classified as "hippies" in the 1960s. Back to nature. Political. Drop out and turn on. Artistic (of which I was and am one). Slackers. Activists. Demographers. World-health activists. etc.
And many of us have continued to work toward a better society/world (some even while smoking pot).
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)anyone with hair longer than a brush cut was a 'hippie'.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They are in fact sons (and daughter) of hippies. While they are somewhat "hippie" themselves, they proclaim:"We aren't your parent's hippies!". They are from Sarasota, I urge you all to check them out. Very unique sound, they have a couple award-winning and critically-acclaimed albums.
ornotna
(10,798 posts)I have their cd's and have seen them perform a couple of times.
This hippie approves of Sons of Hippies.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)talking a lot about freedom and how to get out from under corporations' grasp. I also recall talking a lot about the increasing commercialism and growing militarization of the country. And, Devo sucked.
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)and part of that meant dropping out of much of the hype that society tried to foist on us.
Living a simple lifestyle and conserving for the common good. Sharing freely, trusting, (sometimes too much) believing that a committed group of people COULD change the world. And did, in small ways- and still are trying to do that even after all these years.
Devo has nothing to offer me, and never did. Not sure what the OP's point is.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)skip fox
(19,356 posts)(e.g. many of Bob Dylan's songs), as well.
By the way, Dylan came out of the previous generation (folksongs, protest songs, the sensibility of Ginsberg et al.). Didn't Devo have roots that go back to the music of the 60s as well? (That's a serious question. I simply don't know Devo.)
spanone
(135,815 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Your loss if you still can't dig it, man.
For what it's worth there never could have been a Devo if we hadn't cleared the path for them. You obviously have no idea how repressively authoritarian social mores were before the sixties. Don't blame us if you're painfully lacking in hipness as originally defined by Jack Kerouac:
the ability to figure out what's really going on without having to have someone explain it to you.
And as has been noted above, "hippie" was actually the establishment media's propaganda term, we called ourselves "freaks" and "heads".
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)at the time, since it was clearly a pejorative label, but I guess at some point I gave up and came to accept it. Maybe we should try to remove the word from polite conversations like we have the N word. Heads of the world, unite! Take back your identity.
ed. And they can bring back the $10 lid while they're at it.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)oh, yeah....DEVO.... they weren't doing any drugs, noooo...
sendero
(28,552 posts)... that the term "hippie" means lots of different things.
The version put forth in this article is by no means the definitive one, more like a straw man.
In any event, Devo, or any band that Eno would deign to produce (with the possible exception of U2 but hey the dude had to get paid somehow) is just all right with me.
Tikki
(14,556 posts)The Tikkis
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Initech
(100,059 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)is so all about the dough that he is the maker of the Alivn and Chipmunks' sequel soundtrack.