Chuck Schumer offered to (partially) fund "The Wall" on Friday.

[no_hypocrisy]

He didn't do it because he wanted the Wall.

He did it like a bluff in Poker.

He suspected that Trump was going to continue his line of "No Deal" no matter what the Democrats offered at that point. And he was right and Trump fell into the trap.

Schumer destroyed Trump's accusation that the Democrats truly wanted a government shut-down and were not negotiating in good faith and Trump would use that position to resurrect the 2018 Midterms across the nation.

Trump's MO: Make a promise, rescind that promise, deny he made that promise. Now the Dreamers are "illegal aliens" after HE gave them that status by rescinding Obama's EO.

My Point: Even when Schumer offered what Trump said he wanted to make a deal, in the end, Trump didn't want a deal.


P.S. Do any one of you not think that Trump could and would have extracted incredible concessions FROM the Democrats to avoid the Shutdown? Like a 20-week abortion ban AND "The Wall"? Or something similar?

[pwb]

1. A national strike would help force a budget.

Been Union all my life. Its time for us to stand up. Shut the country down too. Shut the profits down and this nonsense will stop fast. Pass a budget or else?

[Orrex]

8. I've often wondered about that

How would it work, exactly? Wouldn't the striking workers risk greater negative consequence than the employers?

Don't get me wrong--I love Unions, and I thank them for literally every single thing that doesn't suck about employment in the modern US. But for the large majority of workers who aren't unionized, what would be the retaliatory impact of a national strike?

[Demsrule86]

2. I think Trump thought he could roll the Democrats but he failed.

Good for them!

[Hortensis]

3. Thanks for posting. This is one tactical move

in very complex strategies, and certainly worth pointing out.

Our presidents and congressional Democrats were using the relative incompetence of the kind of people who lead today's GOP long before Trump came along, of course. They've been digging themselves into these holes ever since the beginning of the 1980s, by which time critical percentages of conservatives had consolidated in the GOP (including ex- Southern Dems), and its remaining small-p progressive members departed.

And the GOP's conservatism and lack of fitness for service have only become more extreme since.

[TheRealistRealist]

4. Yes good strategy but..

I am not seeing the amount of unity that I would like from the Dems. Schumer, Pelosi and every Dem should remind the country that Moron Orange lied and said Mexico would pay for the wall. Each Dem press conference should start with the statement: "While campaigning to get your votes, President Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall. But once again he lied to Americans". Each Dem should tweet it out on twitter.

They should also take Tammy Duckworth's approach and remind the country that he is draft dodger. Also the (unbought) press should demand that the President issue a statement and answer questions about the shutdown. That's all I have for now.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. Excellent, & then some!

Time to play the game the way they do:

Call them out over and over for the cowards and bullies they are

Over and over and over and over

Don’t forget their traitorous conspiracy with the COMMIE RUSSIANS, who they’ve accused dems of being in bed with Truman

America! Love it or LEAVE IT!!

KGOP!

if they aren’t commie spies, PROVE IT!

[TheRealistRealist]

17. Thanks and yes ..

Call them traitors out. Tired of this 'play nice' stuff.

[Squinch]

7. Duckworth for President!

If you liked that, check this out:

It's her reaming out a guy trying to scam off a prep school injury as a war injury. It's beautiful! It's where I fell in love with her, politically speaking.

We'd be very, very lucky if she decided to run for President.

[Squinch]

5. Thanks for this. I hadn't thought that through and was pissed when I heard he offered that.

But you're absolutely right.

My senator knows what he's doing.

Except for the messaging. We suck at messaging.

[cutroot]

9. trump doesn't really want the wall. He just wants to have something to complain about.

They are better at tearing down than they are at building up. It gives him a talking point to squeeze more dough out of his supporters.

[George II]

10. And Mulvaney lied about that yesterday. Schumer said he'd give trump the money he asked for....

...for the wall.

[Martin Eden]

11. Tell Trump to go to Mexico for the funding

Put him on the spot. Tell him he's a great deal maker and we have every confidence he can filfill that campaign pledge.

[TheRealistRealist]

16. Totally agree with this

Dems should have already got together and demanded Trump do this. Publicly ask if he even negotiated with Mexico about payment. This is what I find so frustrating . If we can think to do this, then why aren't Schumer and Pelosi doing so? I feel like they are doing their jobs for them.

[Martin Eden]

19. It seems so obvious

Did the Dem leadership even think about doing it?

Maybe they figured this would push Trump into a disastrous trade war with Mexico, threatening them with tariffs if they don't fund the wall.

[rso]

12. Wall

I’m afraid that democrats are coming closer to funding the Wall. I just heard Bernie, of all people, express the willingness to consider funding for the Wall in exchange for concessions on dreamers. We can’t concede on the Wall period. Giving 45 a win on the Wall, after he lied about Mexico paying for it, should be a non-starter and would probably alienate the democratic base.

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Exactly. With acceding to a concession comes a new demand.

What will it be? Abortion ban after 20 weeks? Dreamers can stay another 12 months before another review of their status?

[paleotn]

15. It's a bargaining chip...

and one without any value. A true wall is an utterly ridiculous and unworkable idea and will never, ever be built. Shit Gibbon isn't smart enough to know that. If he truly wants to negotiate, which I don't think he does, give him that. The cost is minimal compared to DACA and CHIP.

[paleotn]

14. It's called calling out the bluff.

ShitGibbon didn't want concessions. He wanted chaos. He thrives on it. Schumer knows he's full of shit and called him out on it.

[burnbaby]

18. I haven't read the other post

But when they reconvene at1:00 a m. I'm bettering they come up with a deal. This shutdown is helping no one

[Ms. Toad]

20. One correction - because it is important to be accurate.

Trump did not change the legal status of the Dreamers, he changed the immigration enforcement practices.

DACA merely gave Dreamers they would not be deported, in exchange for coming out of hiding. As an attorney, it would have been a tough call, had I been asked about taking advantage of DACA, because executive orders don't change the law-they interpret it and provide guidance as to how that particular administration intends to enforce it. That can all change in an instant, when a new executive strolls onto the scene.

[no_hypocrisy]

21. Point taken. You are correct.