Senate adjourns without deal to end government shutdown; vote postponed until noon Monday

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BREAKING: The Senate has adjourned for the night without a deal to end the government shutdown, and a vote has been postponed until noon Monday. The government shutdown will continue into the workweek after frantic efforts by a bipartisan group of moderate senators Sunday failed to produce an agreement to reopen agencies Monday morning. “We have yet to reach an agreement on a path forward that is acceptable to both sides,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer said after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that he would be willing to start debating immigration legislation if an agreement was not otherwise reached by early February.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-launches-new-round-of-partisan-attacks-as-government-shutdown-hits-day-2/2018/01/21/0560aece-fe35-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tidr=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.435f7082c076

[samnsara]

1. i hope they can all reach an equally satisfying agreement soon...

...but that's unlikely...

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3. Maybe, maybe not. McConnel said hed address DACA to reopen the government.

My best guess is Republicans are looking to their focus groups and trying to figure out how to play their hand.

[Freethinker65]

2. Clean CHIP first. 5 year DACA extension next. Then perhaps cloture for the CR budget

If the Democrats agree to cloture on the CR first, a clean DACA , even if it passes the Senate, will never make it through the House.

[TDale313]

4. Yep. DACA and CHIP done first. n/t

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9. No, CHIP has a deep affect in Republican districts. Bundling the two is unnecessary and foolish.

Unlike DACA, which is just a “heartfelt” kind of thing, most Republicans have zero skin in the game with DACA. CHIP is where many of their voters will feel an immediate and direct effect. The two are night and day. By a majority a random rural Republican voter (their base) will know a person intimately who uses CHIP.

CHIP needs to be a completely separate vote. It’s foolish to let them off the hook that easily on something they need passed equally, too.

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5. DACA first, CHIP is actually easier as it effects more red states on a much deeper level.

CHIP hits their actual voters, DACA hits people’s hearts but it doesn’t directly effect a large number of Republican voters.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. So McConnell blinked.

He now knows he so screwed that he is back to talking weasel talk.

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7. He definitely did.

He cannot muster his people and enough of ours to rally a winning vote without compromise. Someone has to give here and the Democrats have very little to lose (virtually nothing with the moderates having played their “we tried, and they wouldn’t agree” hand). No matter if they like it or not, they’re going to have to concede they’ve lost this round.

I seriously don’t think the nuclear option is something more than 30 Republican Senators want to use in this particular political climate, but who knows? They may be just that short sighted.

Next up if we win this one we need to bash them over the head with CHIP, which these fools thought we’d use now rather than DACA. It’s as if they’re all amateurs at politics, when they’re not. It’s all so strange anymore.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Looks like the Far Right of the Rethug Party

is isolating themselves into a Rump Caucus with no power after tonight. McConnell and Cornyn don't want to go Nuke because they know it would come back to haunt them for decades .

According to the lastest reports,Trump and his NAZI partners are pinned into a corner.

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10. Thats the way I see it, but time will tell if the Republican leadership gives in to Trump.

If they do, it’s guaranteed to bite them (career Republicans) in the rump ten fold. They’re facing a Democratic Leadership that’s blatantly calling their bluff. I’d theyre not people in it for the quick gratification from the position, they’re going to take a gut blow in a few years if they go nuclear. Career people know this, of that I’m sure.

Trump suddenly changed everything for Republicans, that’s true. Now they’re actually in a position where many of their “elected as opposition” candidates need to learn how to lead, and no one has ever taught them even the most rudimentary concepts of how to begin that process. They're clueless as what their jobs are supposed to be, and for many this is 7 years out of cluelessness. Meanwhile, the mainstream Republicans who fed them to get the majority are irrevocably tied to their opposition mantra, which further ties them to Trump.

What a shitshow all this has become. Real peoples lives are paying the price for the games being played by these power hungry Republicans who chose to embolden their far right fringe rather than merge with the majority of their voters. At some point something will give, but I’m not sure what, or where, this will take place yet. Let alone what the outcome will be.

I despise living in interesting times.

[Wellstone ruled]

11. Believe Senator Sanders calls this the Koch Brothers

shut down. Kind of agree,the Koch's for years advocated a one Party system with the Billionaire Class running the show.