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Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:35 AM

Republicans lose all the way around on this shutdown

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...their entire calculation that Democrats would be blamed for shutting down government for protecting Dreamers, or whatever, is based on their belief that the public is going to react by blaming one side or the other, and the winner runs the table.

There's a question of how much the public will really notice or care, but right now republicans are taking the most heat, because of the obvious fact that they are in charge of all three branches of government. It strains credulity to blame Dems (as republicans have) for choosing 'illegal immigration' over Americans affected by the shutdown, because people can see Trump pulling the rug from under the Dreamers, manufacturing a crisis where there was already a productive solution in place. They can see Trump immorally risking making these young folks into criminals with his reversal of DACA - children of immigrants who were promised there would be no repercussions from registering under the immigration order.

People can see Trump and the republican party arbitrarily refusing to extend health benefits to children under CHIP. They can see republicans refusing to put the extension to a vote - that is until it was convenient to use children's health as a bargaining chip in their cynical scheme to short-fund the government with these costly continuing resolutions.

Thing is, republicans need government to open, more than Democrats. There's little reason for Democrats to grease the skids for republicans to further tear away at the benefits and protections the middle-class and working poor rely on to survive. There's no reason to open the door to more attempts to eviscerate health benefits, or stand aside so republicans can further loot the treasury for their wealthy friends - no reason to remove obstacles to business as usual for republicans if they're not willing to include Democrats in the decision-making process, and willing to allow votes on Democratic amendments.

If republicans aren't willing to, at least, keep their promises to Dreamers and children's health, there's no reason at all for Democrats to budge. The burden of responsibility for keeping government running in the interest of the American people is on the party in power, no matter who republicans blame for their ineptness and incompetence in allowing this shutdown to come to pass.

It won't be long before the public remembers how negligent this republican Congress and their president have been in producing and delivering anything of substance or value. If they think about it long enough they're going to realize these republicans haven't succeeded in anything more than feathering their own wealthy nests; republicans throughout government encouraged in their graft by the grifter-in-chief whose family flaunts their limitless wealth in front of our struggling workers - much of that wealth enhanced by exploiting and trading on their positions in our government.

Democrats have very little to lose by holding firm as the republican party soaks in this hot water they've drawn for themselves. Their dystopian fantasy ends here. They've thrown themselves, headlong, into this boiling kettle, curiously demanding that Democrats stop throwing more logs onto the fire. Time to watch them burn.

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Reply Republicans lose all the way around on this shutdown (Original post)
bigtree Jan 2018 OP
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #1
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #2
bigtree Jan 2018 #3
titaniumsalute Jan 2018 #4
bigtree Jan 2018 #5
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #9
Iliyah Jan 2018 #6
bigtree Jan 2018 #10
NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #7
bigtree Jan 2018 #8
gemini60616 Jan 2018 #11
bigbrother05 Jan 2018 #14
pressbox69 Jan 2018 #12
bdamomma Jan 2018 #13
FSogol Jan 2018 #15
bigtree Jan 2018 #17
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #16

Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:38 AM

1. K&R

The comments from Drumpf from 2013 about the "President being responsible for a shutdown" have been making the rounds.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:44 AM

2. PPP poll that came out yesterday

RELEASE: Most Americans Blame President Trump and Republicans in Congress for the Government Shutdown, New Poll Shows

Date: January 21, 2018
Contact: Elena Gaona
Email: egaona@americanprogress.org

Washington, D.C Two days into the government shutdown, Americans clearly blame President Trump and congressional Republicans for the closure, a new poll released tonight finds.

Fifty-two percent of Americans said they blame Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress for the government shutdown, according to the poll, which was conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP) for the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

The research released today also finds strong support (58 percent overall) for protecting Dreamers as a part of a funding bill to reopen the government, including 42 percent strongly favoring such a provision.

Most concerning for President Trump and congressional Republicans, their current position of blocking protections for Dreamers even if it means the government remains shut down is supported by only 33 percent of Americans.

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/press/release/2018/01/21/169587/release-americans-blame-president-trump-republicans-congress-government-shutdown-new-poll-shows/

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:50 AM

3. that part about little support for blocking dreamers to keep govt. open

...is a big leap from some polls before the cloture vote which had it about even.

This isn't too complicated for most of the public. Most want to do the right thing by these young folks and others who came to this country as children.



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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:50 AM

4. In a way it doesn't matter who's to blame

A week after the shutdown everyone will forget about it anyway and we will have more porn stars, sexual abuse victims, North Korea missiles, stupid Tweets, Russia-Gate, Nunes stupidity, etc.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:53 AM

5. or, hopefully

...more indictments.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:02 AM

9. Actually the "stupid tweets" are exactly what WILL keep it in the news.. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:54 AM

6. GOPers don't have any sense of

moral compassions even tho they claim GAWD is on their side. In my opinion, they have lost any credibility.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:03 AM

10. it really is stunning how Trump has brought all of this into the open

...republicans are open and unapologetic about their bigotry, channeling the Klan right now.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:56 AM

7. With the 2013 Shutdown, most Americans also blamed Republicans

but, Republicans still picked up 9 friggin' seats in the Senate and 12 or 13 in the House. The shutdown got their base fired up to get out to vote. The liberal base was not nearly as fired up, even though Obama did issue some second term executive orders that we cheered about. That 9-0 pickup stopped Merrick Garland from being on the Supreme Court

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:00 AM

8. that election didn't center on the shutdown

...it had much the same dynamic as today with voters desperate to undo the results of the presidential election fired up and dominating at the polls.

Midterms are mostly 'anti' election contests with voters more concerned with voting against something or the other than satisfied voters showing up to register their support or approval.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:05 AM

11. so true . . .

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. After all, that's how Dump got elected.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:38 AM

14. The average pickup for the opposition party is 32 in the House

Losing only 12/13 was a strong result for Obama.

This whole exercise is a GOP ploy to try to hold on to the House in the midterms. Right now they have a 24 seat cushion, anything more than an average margin will sweep the swamp.

If the Senate swings as well, Trumpolini will explode, no more GOP witch hunts.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:05 AM

12. I suspect

women, people of color and immigrants are fired up this time. Very fired up and perhaps loaded for Russian elephant in 2018.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:05 AM

13. McConnell and Ryan

will crash and burn.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:45 AM

15. Plus, the longer the shutdown lasts, the more people will be affected. When someone is affected,

they'll get angry. Unfortunately, the longer it is shutdown, the more the economy takes a hit and the more people suffer.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:58 AM

17. what it's doing

...is putting the spotlight on the most vulnerable recipients of government resource and funding.

There's certainly risk which increases as this thing wears on, but it's interesting how it is actually forcing real, working discussions between lawmakers right now about finding compromise solutions for DACA and CHIP, discussions and interest in these issues that just wasn't there a few weeks ago.

I think this a perfect flashpoint, mostly because it was republican arrogance and obstinance that brought us here, believing they would benefit, for instance, in holding out on CHIP to use children's health as a bargaining tool in the budget debate.

If this brings about any semblance of regular order in Congress and the Senate, Dems' resistance will be well worth it. It's not as if government has been under perfect guardianship up until now.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:51 AM

16. Watching all of this

it still seems surreal and unimaginable that Trump got elected President and everything is unfolding the way it is.

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