The stalemate worked. Democrats' obstinance worked

[bigtree]

There wasn't any movement at all before today toward protecting DACA recipients by republicans. It was as if the arbitrary deadline set by Trump for the end of DACA was going to come and go without republicans allowing any DACA bill to come to the floor of the Senate.

There isn't a DACA bill right now to vote on today, just proposals. The deadline for the end of DACA is in March. In three weeks (according to the compromise agreement today) they're challenged to either have resolved the issue by that time or move 'immediately' to a DACA bill.

That's light speed for the Senate. The stalemate worked.

[standingtall]

1. Did it really

or are repukes just counting on Trump to veto the bill if it ever sees the floor?

[bigtree]

5. the Senate isn't in any position to solve or direct every step of the process

...but they seem to be signaling that they're working around the WH.

I think Trump will sign a bipartisan bill.

[atreides1]

13. Be honest

Do you actually believe that McConnell is going to work around the White House?

Do you actually believe that McConnell will allow a DACA bill to come to the floor of the Senate?

What in McConnell's history convinces you that he's a man of his word?

I'm just curious...

[TCJ70]

16. We are talking about someone who stole a Supreme Court seat. Real honest guy, there. N/t

[bigtree]

22. all McConnell needs to do is allow a vote on the Senate floor

...the bipartisan working group that will be crafting the bill are the ones I'm referring to that are leaving Trump out of the process, going around him to craft their own solution to his manufactured crisis.

This just a just a three week extension. If McConnell doesn't keep his word, he'll lose the votes he gained today.

[pnwmom]

36. If he renegs he won't have CHIP to hold hostage this time. It will all clearly be on the GOP.

So maybe he's willing to throw away the Latino vote for generations, but I doubt it.

[Honeycombe8]

41. A promise to "talk about" something in a couple of weeks is no promise to DO anything.

They can pick up the phone & listen for 60 seconds, then say no & hang up, and voila---they "discussed DACA," per the so-called agreement.

Unless the Republicans actually DO something in THIS bill, nothing has changed. We've all seen how Trump renegs on deals without blinking. A deal for the future with these guys means nothing.

But the Repubs can just bypass the 60 votes needed and pass the budget. They don't need the Dems on board.

[itsrobert]

2. Way to sell this shit sandwich.

I'm not buying it.

[BannonsLiver]

4. Nobody's buying it.

[zaj]

10. You don't have to buy it today...

... if, in three weeks, the Dreamer's Bill (not "DACA", get on message people) moves forward, then this worked.

If not, there's a fall back.

[SharonClark]

48. Yep.

[zaj]

12. My bigger concern... What about the House?

[Honeycombe8]

42. I agree. They're "promising" to consider something in the future? Say WHAT???? LOL. nt

[samnsara]

3. Dems re openned the government...

...good for us. That's how government is supposed to work. now trumps gonna catch hell from the GOP for his lack of leadership.

[spanone]

6. i suspect the house and trump will ignore it or blow it up.

neither have signed on to anything

[bigtree]

8. well, there's a limit to how much the Senate can influence all of that

...but this is huge pressure for them both to sign on, especially if a bipartisan bill emerges.

I mean, anything can happen, but this is momentum, at any rate, and it's about as much as I think we could expect from the Senate.

[dalton99a]

9. Yep

Prognosis is very poor

[TCJ70]

7. Worked in what way? What do we have that we didnt have before?

A “challenge” to the GOP? Get real.

[bigtree]

11. we have a deal to move to a DACA bill in three weeks

...before today, there was zero commitment to bring a DACA bill to the floor.

Besides that commitment, there is a bipartisan working group in the process of crafting a bill.

[TCJ70]

14. You believe thats going to happen? Seems a little too optimistic given the current environment...

...different perspectives I guess.

[bigtree]

17. it's a three week extension

...not the keys to the Democratic washroom.

[drray23]

27. we do not have such a deal.

If you listen carefully to McConnell comments, you will see he committed to bring to the floor a bill that will address DACA, border security and related items . In short, it wont be a clean bill, they will attach crap to it that we can't go for (or that the house can't pass because of their own GOP factions not agreeing) and we will be screwed.

[bigtree]

28. they have the majority

...they're not going to just agree to vote on a Democratic bill.

What we'll get is a DACA bill with amendments. It's won't be a clean win, but if it protects the Dreamers, provides amnesty, then it'll be a worthwhile effort - and I do expect them to produce the few republican votes needed to pass such a bill.

[pnwmom]

39. I heard that we got CHIP for 6 years. So if that's off the table then we're better off. n/t

[TCJ70]

50. CHIP funding was already in the CR. We got nothing. N/t

[bigtree]

54. how would Senate Democrats get to the funding of CHIP without voting for this legislation?

[Afromania]

15. I don't like the quick backdown here in exchange for a pledge from a dirtbag. However, once the

mcyurtle and the republicans pull their weasel shit(cause you just know they are). There is nothing they can say to Congressional Democrats about why they are not voting for a new CR. In 3 weeks we are going to be right back here again.

[Demsrule86]

18. But what about the house...a bill in the Senate is meaningless without the house...hope

it works. I get that the options we had were not good.

[KPN]

19. Jury's out on this one.

We'll see what we see. Hopefully your positive outlook proves correct.

[Demsrule86]

21. We have limited power. After 10 The GOP had the house so could cause all sorts of mischief...we

have nothing so I am proud of our people for doing as much as they have...hope it works.

[KPN]

24. Me too. We'll see I guess.

[Anny61]

20. I agree it was a good move. Nt

[OnDoutside]

23. Yes it has worked. McConnell has a stay of 17 days to get a DACA bill on the floor, or the Govt

shuts down again. If the Democrats hadn't done this, there was every likelihood that the DACA deadline would have passed with nothing done to sort it.

I wonder about the logic some people have, to expect a cave from the Republicans, who hold the majority.

[bigtree]

26. I think there are misunderstandings about the process

...and what was agreed to.

You're correct that there was no agreement to bring any DACA fix to the floor before this standoff.

[OnDoutside]

29. Yes, and the fear I had was that the likes of Cotton on the Congress side and Miller on the WH

side, would block any chance of a resolution. They'd just leave the March 5th deadline pass. If McConnell wanted to, he could have sorted this any time over the last year. They say how wonderful the Dreamers are, yet do nothing.

[bigtree]

31. right

...now we have this flashpoint deadline for action which is still short of the deadline in March.

[peggysue2]

25. Considering Republicans have refused to bring any . . .

immigration legislation to the floor, McConnnell's public promise is a step forward. We got CHIP protected, so now the push is for DACA over the next three weeks. McConnell may or may not renege on that promise but as long as there is a maybe, we still have a shot. There's just so much a minority party can do. Minimizing the damage of the majority is one of those things.

So, I'm for letting the whole affair play out, see what happens between now and the deadline. The very fact, you had 20+ legislators, a bi-partisan mix working this agreement is groundbreaking by today's standards.

[oberliner]

30. Trump won't sign any such bill

[bigtree]

32. if it passes the Senate, it'll likely have enough votes to override a veto

...and it's doubtful Trump would even try under those conditions.

[oberliner]

33. Could get interesting

With Miller and the hard-liner anti-immigration folks at Trump's side - who knows.

[Tarc]

34. Their options are limited, so this is honestly the best way forward

Get a promise of a debate and vote, and when (there's no "if" about it) the Republicans break their promise, you take that to the voters in the fall.

You wanna change this? Vote.

[Wounded Bear]

35. Part of it worked...we got the CHIP extension.

But that was already in the bill.

Racism won this one. Repubs coming out with their "illegal immigrant" dog whistle won it.

I hope I'm wrong and they actually get a DACA bill, but I'm not holding my breath for McConnell to keep his word. And don't get me started on Repub Representatives in the House.

[elmac]

37. Just another delay

nothing will get done on DACA, another shutdown will happen and the Dems will cave again, wash, rinse and repeat........

[Thekaspervote]

38. Absolutely

[Honeycombe8]

40. Moving the deadline up is considered a good thing? Hmmm. Don't know about that. nt

[bigtree]

43. the deadline for DACA expiration is still in March

...the deal calls for a bill on the floor in Feb., three wks. from now.

[Honeycombe8]

45. Smoke & mirrors. The proverbial pea under the cup, where the cups keep moving.

It doesn't mean anything, that I can see. EXCEPT IT MEANS, TO THE PUBLIC, THAT IT WAS the fault of the Dems that the bill didn't get approved. This stamps that in triplicate, "DEMS ARE TO BLAME."

The Dems need to stay out of this, now that Trump reneged on the deal he made. This is a Republican budget that THEY failed to pass. They're not going nuclear because they don't know if they have the votes for it, even then.

A promise to debate DACA in a couple of weeks? Seriously? Schumer thinks that progress? Debate it with the very people who repealed it in the first place? I think that's wishin' & hopin' for a lot.

[L. Coyote]

44. We shall see. I don't trust the Republicans.

They want to brand the Dems as preferring illegals over our military. That's why they blocked funding the military during the shutdown. Beware their bullshit storm to come.

[bigtree]

46. I don't think it's selling like they think

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...and I'm not someone who gives a damn about how this is received by Trump's 30% base of support. Most Americans see through their bullshit.

[L. Coyote]

47. Fighting a losing battle to retain the base at the same time as brewing new, low quality gin

Hilarious to watch really, especially now that we can see how it is Russian bot driven.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NRaleighLiberal]

49. yes - now the whole party has been "Susan Collins 'd"

[bigtree]

51. that's ridiculous

...explain to us how we pass a DACA fix without peeling off a few republicans.

[NRaleighLiberal]

52. Don't you get sick of being played? (not you specifically of course - our party)

[bigtree]

53. I am a bit tired of people working to divide those in the party

...(not you specifically).