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Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:43 PM

CNN: How Democrats lost the shutdown

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 8:21 PM ET, Mon January 22, 2018

The history of government shutdowns -- and the polling on this shutdown in particular -- suggested that Democrats were poised to benefit politically from the shuttering of the federal bureaucracy.

And then, suddenly on Monday afternoon, Democrats gave in, with all but 16 of their 48 members voting to reopen the government with a three-week continuing resolution and a vague promise from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that they would get a fair hearing in their efforts to extend the DACA immigration program.

Why? Good question! And one that many liberals within the party -- up to and including the half-dozen or so Democrats in the Senate planning runs for president in 2020 -- are asking in the wake of the Democrats' capitulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/democratic-party-shutdown/index.html

The analysis goes on to say that he thinks the answer is that red-state Democrats up for re-election in 2018 panicked. There are 10 Dems running in states where Trump won (North Dakota, West Virginia, Indiana, Missouri). He says that those Dems put pressure on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to get the best deal he could, reopen the government and declare victory. (Article says that Schumer was losing support among that group of vulnerable Dems.)

The article says that a three-week CR with no guarantee of a clean DACA vote -- "belies that claim of a Democratic win."

So could this end up being a deal for DACA? Maybe. But, like the article says, "....even if Schumer gets his promise out of McConnell for a DACA vote and even if it passes the Senate, the Republican-controlled House and White House await. And it's hard to see a Senate deal surviving those two gauntlets."

Kamala Harris and Congressional Black Caucus Chairman Cedric Richmond both made statements against the deal.

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Reply CNN: How Democrats lost the shutdown (Original post)
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 OP
Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #1
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #6
bigtree Jan 2018 #25
Wwcd Jan 2018 #29
0rganism Jan 2018 #2
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #11
Arazi Jan 2018 #14
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #16
Wwcd Jan 2018 #32
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #49
uponit7771 Jan 2018 #22
0rganism Jan 2018 #53
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #15
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #50
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #55
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #56
ollie10 Jan 2018 #44
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #51
Johnny2X2X Jan 2018 #3
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #9
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #12
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #38
Iliyah Jan 2018 #4
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #7
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #13
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #17
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #18
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #20
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #37
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #42
Wwcd Jan 2018 #47
BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #24
Wwcd Jan 2018 #27
Wwcd Jan 2018 #35
Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #39
Wwcd Jan 2018 #48
BootinUp Jan 2018 #5
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #8
BootinUp Jan 2018 #10
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #36
mcar Jan 2018 #19
LanternWaste Jan 2018 #21
Caliman73 Jan 2018 #52
bigtree Jan 2018 #23
Renew Deal Jan 2018 #26
Joediss Jan 2018 #28
Name removed Jan 2018 #30
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #34
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #31
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #33
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #40
Orrex Jan 2018 #41
ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #43
Lithos Jan 2018 #45
m3n0z Jan 2018 #46
moose65 Jan 2018 #54

Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:59 PM

1. So CNN wants us to believe

so analyst is fact. If that was the case,why did Jon Tester vote "no"?

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:19 PM

6. I found this on Sen. Tester of Montana

Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana has voted against a bipartisan agreement to re-open the federal government after a three-day shutdown. He was the only “no” vote Monday among 10 incumbent Democrats facing re-election this year in states won by President Donald Trump in 2016.

Tester says the budget deal did not include funding for community health centers important to his rural state, nor did it add resources for border security.

Tester says that while pundits have focused on immigration, “this was always about Montana for me and I just won’t allow Washington to keep failing our state.”"


http://flatheadbeacon.com/2018/01/22/tester-votes-no-bill-end-shutdown/

So DACA and immigration doesn't figure to be a big issue in Montana, looks like. Other issues are more important to his state, and those weren't included in the budget.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:11 AM

25. Tester is being slick

...he voted against the Dream Act.

He voted against the funding bill as a conservative republican would. He'll have his sop to the left and a sop to the right.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:21 AM

29. Thanks for making that point. He is a slickster!

 

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:03 PM

2. does he mention 6 more years of CHIP?

how does that figure into the loss?

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:28 PM

11. Unbelievably, everyone is pretending CHIP did not happen! If they did then could not say this.

And it is three weeks...the 12 hour news cycle is in a tizzy.

80% supported DACA will be the talk of the town for 3 weeks...that is part of this victory for us.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:33 PM

14. Rs had already written CHIP into Fridays bill. They'd already conceded that

Days ago

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Response to Arazi (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:36 PM

16. Yep. CHIP was always going to be funded.

The Rs just had a disagreement about whether to fund it for the short term or long term. Even Trump wanted it funded.

This was no give-up by the Rs. It was used as a bargaining chip, though.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:29 AM

32. Just a disagreement? Umm this is a big deal!

 

"Rs just had a disagreement about whether to fund it for the short term or long term"

Ya like do we get care for kids for a couple months month or for 6 yrs!
That's not "just a disagreement".

IT IS A BIG DEAL !

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:48 PM

49. No, CHIP was being used as a bargaining chip by Republicans, and funding was not guaranteed

 

doesn't matter that 80% of everyone in the US wanted it. They didn't care...they knew virtually 100% of Dems wanted it, so it was vulnerable to their end own game. Fully funding Chip and and for 6 years was not a given. It is a given now, and its also no longer a bargaining chip for Republicans

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Response to Arazi (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:37 AM

22. It was ... NOT .... a clean bill on CHIP and you KNOW THAT !! Stop with the RWTP !!!

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Response to Arazi (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:27 PM

53. Friday's bill included wall funding, right?

i remember hearing the current agreement does not include wall funding, but does include CHIP funding for 6 years
does that matter in the final score?

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:33 PM

15. Planned. Held back as a bargaining chip.

It was always going to be in the bill. Couldn't get passed even by the Republicans, w/o it being in the bill.

4 Repubs refused to vote for the bill. McConnell was one of them. That means they didn't have enough Republicans to pass the budget even w/the nuclear option. Even the ignoramous Trump was concerned about whether CHIP should be funded for the short or the long term. But there was no doubt that it WOULD be funded.

CHIP is noncontroversial, few politicians were against it, most citizens are for it.

This was just SO obvious. So it's good that it's now funded. But let's not pretend that any budget ws going to pass w/o it.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:50 PM

50. I see you repeat yourself. So I will too, see my post #49

 

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Response to BoneyardDem (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 05:13 PM

55. Funding was NO ISSUE for CHIP. The only question was: do it short term or long term?

Trump wanted it, Republicans wanted it, Dems wanted it. No problemo.

The only question, as Trump said, was that he thought it was going to be in the short term budget but someone explained to him it'd be better to do it with a long term budget. See? It was always going to be done. This is not a Dem win. But people won't remember, so maybe it can be played that way. Giving in, giving the appearance that the shutdown was the Dems' fault, is sure going to be played a lot.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 07:46 PM

56. nice of you to do Republican talking points for them...I happen to think you are both wrong

 

polls have already shown that they have failed in trying to push the narrative that it was the Dems fault for the shut down. This second shut down won't change the Republican attempt and re-directing the narrative, but it will be even more apparent that it was all on them.

I completely disagree that Republicans wouldn't have used CHIP for their own gains. That you trust them so much on one issue (funding CHIP) but fail to trust them on other issues (DACA) remains a mystery to me.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:44 AM

44. CHIP? You mean th3e CHIP that was in the resolution all along?

 

Yes, that chip.

And, don't forget that the same bill reduces spending for hospitals, etc.

So they may have insurance but no hospital to go to.....

Admit it. We got rolled.

If you actually think this is a victory, then what the hell is a loss?

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:51 PM

51. Got the GOP to free most of their child hostages; and a PUBLIC promise to vote on the rest.

CHIP hostages freed
DACA hostages acknowledged on TV by McTurdle.

How is that a loss?

Worst case, we can now hang McTurdle's public promise around his neck when it turns out to be a lie.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:05 PM

3. We didnt lose

Not a loss, but I want to see Dems start acting tougher. Dems represent the majority, the only reason it’s not reflected in Congress is that Reps cheat.

Dems are the voice of the people, they need to speak and act with that power.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

9. I do think the Dems lost.

Yesterday: The Republican shutdown, the Trump shutdown.

Today: The Democrats are finally being reasonable; the Democrats got some of their demands, so the shutdown can end (as in...it was a Dem shutdown).

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:30 PM

12. Nonsense. R refusing a reasonable thing like CHIP and caving makes us the winner.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:34 AM

38. It was fine...it became quite clear over the weekend that we were not going to get DACA this way...

Maybe with CHIP off the table and no more "Americas'' kid ads, it will work better next time.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

4. And this guy us a right winger

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:24 PM

7. No he's not. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:31 PM

13. Read his past Clinton columns. NYT has him to appear more balanced.

Yes, he is.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:45 PM

17. I'll do you better than that. I'll post some links to his articles.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/stormy-daniels-analysis/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/midterms-enthusiasm/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/donald-trump-exercise-analysis/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/shutdown-politics-republicans-analysis/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/shithole-lying-analysis/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/shithole-comment-republican-reaction/index.html

There is nothing in his articles to indicate he's Republican.

(Someone tried to say this about Chuck Todd, recently. I guess figuring that others wouldn't know that's not true. But it wasn't true. Todd has Democratic Party involvement in his past. Not Republican.)

Because someone isn't a rabid partisan, that doesn't make him the opposite party. Reporters do try to strike a balance and be impartial. Plus, there are moderates.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:05 PM

18. Search "Chris Cillizza on Clinton" and you will get my drift. But Chris does seem to have come

around to being more moderate, and in the world of real facts, no doubt. Wants to keep his job.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:25 AM

20. Because someone doesn't take a partisan stance does not mean they are opposite-partisan.

It's their job to be nonpartisan. In fact, I disregard opinions that are partisan down the line, since NOTHING and no one is always right.

I also notice that when someone doesn't want to deal with an article or message, they attack the messenger.

Do you have something substantive to say, or just more attacks on the author, while ignoring the facts?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:32 AM

37. Yeah well this joker fails on all account...smarmy bastard.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:37 AM

42. My opinion is based on history, all of it, not just recent history. Free country!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:25 PM

47. He is in a whole different category than Chuck Tod.

 

His opinion writings should be labeled as RW talking pts.
Because that is the direction it leans straight towards.
Its sensationalism at best.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:02 AM

24. Nah hes just a big asshole

Whose default framing on any issue is to paint the Dems as either being bumblers or at a hopeless disadvantage or behind the curve. In Cilliza’s world Dems aren’t evil they just never do anything right. Did I mention he was a giant, gaping asshole? Hated by others in the media?

I hope Chris’ me too moment comes sooner rather than later. He’s a slime.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:18 AM

27. His links should be considered RW talking points, here on DU.

 

How anyone can appreciate & believe what he writes, " says more about them"
We see you! 👀

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:30 AM

35. Yes he is a RW hack opinion writer.

 

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:34 AM

39. Cillizza was FAR worse a year ago. Shitler has changed him for the better.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:36 PM

48. Rofl..well that is true. Is there no end to Trump's positive influence?

 

Cillizza goes the direction of the wind on any given day. Money & media

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:17 PM

5. Fuck his analysis. nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:25 PM

8. I don't think so. It seems to be accurate.

Explains a lot.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

10. I don't want to read it, lol. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:31 AM

36. Only if you already hate Democrats and want them to fail.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:27 PM

19. That's not even close to what he said on air

At least he's not slamming Hillary.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:34 AM

21. I'm not surprised the ratings-driven press is still trying to throw this narrative at the wall

I'm not surprised the ratings-driven press is still trying to throw this narrative at the wall in hopes it sticks one day. The ratings-driven press loves to attribute variations on RW talking points as their own analysis. Nice work if you can get it.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:05 PM

52. Horse race Uber alles!

Fights get ratings. "Who won the shut down?" "Who are the winners and the losers?" All of this crap is ridiculous. Who won the shut down? It isn't a game. Shutting down the government is a failure! Passing CR after CR to keep the country limping along is a failure! Not allowing bills on immigration reform to be brought up in Congress' regular business is a failure!

Obviously, because I am a Democrat, I side with one party and ascribe blame more heavily to the Republicans, but all of this is just a failure of governance because everyone is thinking about it only as a game.

One party believes that the Federal Government should be working with State and local governments to try to meet the needs of the most people possible with effective public policy. Do they always succeed? No, a big no in many cases. The difference is, they try, and if and when they fail, they try again.

The other party believes that the Federal Government should only protect property rights and economic interests, and most recently, that the Federal Government should enforce a moral order in line with conservative Christianity.

The media never really analyzes what the right wingers stand for, they just report on the game and who wore it better. That is not journalism.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:42 AM

23. likely suspect being hyperbolic to stir shit

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:13 AM

26. I'm just not seeing it

I don't see anything actually lost.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:21 AM

28. What

What to fuck does it matter what some TV anchor some above any fucking any thing , hell , this is stupid about who won and who lost , a God damn week from now , nobody will care except for some TV pundit.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:30 AM

34. Hate that guy Trump thumper in my opinion.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:26 AM

31. Joe Madison had Corey Booker and Doug Jones on his show this morning

Corey voted against and Doug voted for. Yet both were pretty much on the same page.

Corey's argument was pretty much on par with what most DUers argue for.

However the issue that Jones had was more focused on CHIP and the fact that his state of AL (like some others - e.g., VA) have a good number of government workers who were being impacted. And the 2013 shutdown apparently had a major major impact on the state given their economic standing is already poor, particularly when compared to places like MD & VA & even PA, with large populations of government workers. Of course some of that has to do with what I call "spite" politics. He wants to see what the bipartisan group (I think there are something like 20 or 30) does with DACA and other issues. He is new so he will be learning....

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:29 AM

33. sounds like bullshit to me when CNN had been saying all weekend that the Dems had

'overplayed' their hand. Fuck you CNN...Fox lite.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:35 AM

40. So? She is running for president...certain members were allowed to take a pass on this bill as they

should have been. We have an election coming up in less than a year...make or break.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:36 AM

41. This is, broadly, the narrative that NPR is pushing as well

Damn that Liberal media!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:37 AM

43. I dont read Cillizza any more

Incredibly biased writer.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:53 AM

45. This is a huge disservice

The issue was not one of Democrats vs. Republicans, but one of adults vs. disruptive children. The shutdown was the result of a temper tantrum one person surrounded by a group of enablers. Everything which happened since then - the multiple bi-partisan efforts to keep the government functioning were blocked and thwarted by those who were purposefully wanting to disrupt things. The adults have won for now.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:12 PM

46. Schumer got them to make deal -

 

Reality,
He saw 10 democrats bailing on him and started begging. He ran out if front of them and got a promise from republicans to maintain the appearance of him being irrelevant.

Sounds like a cave to me. And if it's about getting re-elected and maintaining seats, I'm okay with that. Losing more seats, especially 10 seats, would leave the majority completely unchecked.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:42 PM

54. Whew, I hate this!

How everything is turned into a "game," and there has to be a "winner" and a "loser" for everything. This really is a damn reality show, where every conflict is turned up to 11 and the people out there watching don't think about the effects of what's going on. I know a few Republicans who approach every election like that: they never talk about the issues or what the Republicans do when elected. To them, it's all about "winning." They literally don't give a shit that Republicans never do anything after they're elected except cut taxes for rich people.

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