Something good came out of today whether you accept it or not

[RandySF]

A two-week CR passed Congress that reauthorized the CHIP program for 9 million kids. And even if don’t think they were worth it, we just took them off the Republicans’ hostage list when go at this again in Feb. If that’s not something then I don’t know what to tell you.

[Cha]

1. Oh but those with an agenda

are all about "Democrats are Losers".. fuck that noise.

[RandySF]

4. Im not saying it was an ideal outcome

But we have this catch-22 in progressiveland where nobody wants to vote unless we get something done, but we can’t get anything done unless people vote.

[Demsrule86]

27. That is so fucking true...what a perfect way to put it...

[chowder66]

53. Perfectly put! nt

[NurseJackie]

38. It's always the same ones, too.

No surprises there at all!

[Cha]

59. I know.. the same ol drivel is so

freaking transparent.

Jackie

[Atticus]

55. Did someone actually say "Democrats are losers"? nt

[angrychair]

76. That an unfair characterization

So just because I disagree with the way we went about it I am saying “Democrats are losers”? I’ve never used those words, EVER.

Are all these people, the actual Dreamers, wrong for having a different opinion too:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1FC05Q?__twitter_impression=true

The fact of the matter is, and I cannot seem to say this clearly enough, we could have got the very same CHIP deal (6-year) and got it off the table with last Friday’s 4-week CR vote.

We literally only shortened it by a week, everything else was the exact same as the Friday vote.

Two shutdowns in 4-weeks is never going to happen.

Let me be clear that this IS NOT a Democrat thing it is a republican thing.

McConnell has literally been lying on immigration reform for years, what could possibly be different? Nothing.
Republicans have been bashing DACA kids all weekend as “illegal immigrants” and implying they are everything from criminals to welfare queens.
What possible hope do we have to get honest debate and resolution from these racist and xenophobic assholes?

Elections and public opinion don’t matter, that was made crystal clear in the ACA and tax reform bills.

For me I hope that Democrats can force their hand, not for Democrats per se but for the 800,000 innocent people facing deportation from trump’s artificial expiration date.

[Arazi]

84. +1 million

[uponit7771]

96. What better way can democrats deal with white supremacist controlling the government? I don't

... understand the "we can do something" other than scream at the top of our lungs which the white supremacist do ... NOT ... care about at all.

Since we're a gerrymandered country and no longer a functioning democracy what difference does it make even if the Nazi Clowns own constituents don't want the white supremacy?

I don't think people understand the rock and the hard place democrats are in right now

[Cha]

100. I wasn't talking about you. It's a quote.

[greymattermom]

102. I think this might be different

because the lying is more visible to a lot of people, especially government workers and the military, and he lied to hurt children.

[Progressive dog]

124. Those Republicans that run our government were elected

and they'll still be there in November of 2018. That's when public opinion will matter, if the public votes.
Democrats will have to wait to at least then to implement any policies. Until then, they can only fight to prevent our government from becoming what the psychopath and followers imagine it would have been.

[uponit7771]

95. +1

[grantcart]

2. And what did the Republicans really get? Not much, they are back on the clock and will have to vote

on Daca anyway.

President Obama was smart enough to not agree to more short term extensions.

Congratulations McConnell you get to do it again in 3 weeks.

[RandySF]

5. And the CR comes back in 2 weeks

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Damn right, my dear RandySF!

Even if nothing else good comes out of this, we have it. The rest is up to the Republicans.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. We had it without the shutdown... what did we get for the vote today?

[Fred Sanders]

120. Ever heard of CHIP? Here you go. End of this RW meme we got nothing:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210134643

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

121. lol you're accusin me of spreadin a RW meme?!?! oh, you're GOOOD!! No, what's CHIP??

Gimme a break... the asshole Rethugs offered it BEFORE the shutdown... so what the fuck did we get for letting the Repugs off the hook for their cruel shutdown? A "promised" vote from a known liar McTurtle on DACA that has ZERO effect on the Nazis in the House ... whoooopppieeeee!! Let's celebrate!!

[Fred Sanders]

122. This:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210134643

[MaryMagdaline]

6. Yes and we need to repeat this in every interview

With less than one third the power if we save 9 million kids, we either held ground or moved an inch. I haven't been able to sleep since the day CHIPS was allowed to expire.

[VOX]

14. Well said!

Thank you.

[TDale313]

7. CHIP funding is a very good thing.

That said, Dems are taking a hit on this. Some in the base are very disappointed. More importantly, the media is spinning this as Dems caving- and not just the more right-leaning sources. They’re gonna need to sell their decision and they need to hold fast in demanding that DACA vote. Fair or not, they are losing the message war on this one.

[RandySF]

9. I dont give a shit

It’ll be forgotten by Nov.

[TexasProgresive]

11. If we didn't deal the media would spin it as Dems are hurting our military.

[OhioBlue]

26. yes, it was being spun as Dems hurting the military and voting against CHIP

putting "illegal aliens" ahead of Americans. Looking long term, I don't think the Dems had any choice. A longer shut down would have driven their poll numbers down and turned public opinion against the Dreamers. It also jeopardized a chance to secure CHIP funding. The GOP didn't see that they had anything to lose. On the current course, their poll numbers look like shit for November so they're fine with a longer shut down and beating the Dems over the head claiming they don't care about our military members for poor kids on CHIP.

Dems should frame the next 2 weeks as trying to force Republicans to do their job. The American people want a DACA fix, disaster funding, stabilized health care markets, etc. It is also an abdication of responsibility for the Republican House and Senate to fund the Government with short term CRs. The reason they don't want to pass a budget is because it would be more apparent to the public just how fiscally irresponsible their party is.

[Demsrule86]

29. Fair weather Democrats are not the base. The should get over themselves.

The GOP has all power. We did the best we could.

[Arazi]

8. The Rs already conceded that on Friday

We gained nothing more than a vague offer of a DACA debate in the Senate. Ryan has outright stated any DACA legislation is DOA in the House sooo...what exactly did we gain?

Let's just say McConnell drums up something on immigration, its guaranteed to be a poison pill of despicable immigration bullshit. After all they now have WEEKS to craft something Dems would never vote for

[RandySF]

10. Im going tell you now

DACA is dead until we can get Congress or the White House back.

[Arazi]

15. Yup but whatever tiny bit of leverage we had, we simply gave away

We couldn't even wait 72 fucking hours.

We couldn't even wait long enough for fucking Trump to be forced to cough up what he really wants.

Latinos will never forget this Democratic betrayal.

In my circles that's the word: betrayal

[RandySF]

16. Of course. No need to blame the guy who ended it.

[Fred Sanders]

18. 3 weeks for us to make our case to the already 80% supporting public is a good thing.

[Arazi]

24. Lol, with what progressive, Dem microphone?

We SUCK at messaging AND getting out there when its critical

ACA summer anyone?

Good luck w that. We shit on our best opportunity

[Fred Sanders]

25. Gloom and doom? Sure, convince us at DU to go with that. Wrong universe.

[Arazi]

28. Complacency in these times is dangerous. Fuck that

[Demsrule86]

39. I didn't see any opportunity and no one has offered a concrete way we could have forced a DACA vote.

[Arazi]

44. We. Could. Have. Waited. More. Than. A. Weekend

[Arazi]

52. Protest and hold out more than a fucking weekend?

Force Trump to actually tell the Senate wtf he wanted?

Rally Dreamers (w more than a weekends notice)

Plenty of activists have had many more ideas

JFC, get out there please

[Demsrule86]

58. Those aren't ideas for the Senate...protesting? How will you force Trump to do anything?

If Dreamers are not 'rallied' now...then when? I have every intention of doing what I can...and maybe it will be enough in three weeks to sway the GOP...but...none of that can be done in the Senate...the shutdown wasn't working. We couldn't apply pressure.
The GOP loves a shutdown. We can do all the good things you mention and see what happens in three weeks.

[Arazi]

63. The Rs will meld the immigration/DACA narrative into a horror

Force Trump? Wait him out

Rally Dreamers? We had hours, not days. It's bullshit to expect DEMOCRATS to craft a message so fast (sob)

Unless you have $10 million dollars each MOC, you're actions are laudable but worthless. This party is only interested in $$$$$$$$

In 3 weeks the Rs will have crafted a disastrous immigration/DACA "bill". We just bought them all the time they need

[Demsrule86]

68. That may all be true but given our lack of power...and you need more than getting the message out

too...we simply don't have a way to do this. We may have to swallow a poison pill in order to save the dreamers...do it and fix it later. We did what we could.

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. Spoken like someone who doesn't depend on a federal paycheck, or CHIP. Privilege has its perks.

[GaryCnf]

56. It's ironic, but I actually agree with you

The mistake was made when the same political geniuses who now claim it was a good idea to cave (and, as you know will happen) cave again in a couple of weeks decided that we should throw our credibility with our second most important constituency in the pot when we knew we couldn't win, that we wouldn't bluff, and that we were going to fold before the draw.

Either way, though, this is a failure of leadership.

[Demsrule86]

64. We had to try. I want to save the Dreamers...and I don't blame Schumer for trying...if he didn't try

you would have been angry about that and I would have been too-let organize and fight for the three weeks we have...call and call the GOP elected. I have Portman here in Ohio and see what we can do.

But this!!! "agree" with me? LOL do you have a fever? hahahah.

[GaryCnf]

71. Im sorry it took so long to respond

I was putting a cool washcloth on my forehead

Sleep well friend

[Demsrule86]

72. You too...it will get better right?

Hmm...cold wash cloth...ah you do have fever...hahah.

[SharonClark]

35. If your circle is waiting for Trump to do anything positive,

they have a long, frustrating wait.

[Arazi]

45. Fuck Trump. They expected more from Dems

[Demsrule86]

73. Then I guess more people should have voted for the Democrats.

Instead of knee capping them in 16. Perhaps they have learned their lesson and will vote accordingly.

[Arazi]

77. Fuck that. They voted HRC

Quit the fucking divisive 2016 bullshit.

So over that shit

[Demsrule86]

79. Not enough my friend clearly...and if one didn't like Hillary one still could have voted for the

Senate or the House...we have no power. You get that right? We need a strong majority to deal with immigration. I am sick about this..and we may have to think of creative ways to save the dreamers like hiding them in our own homes.

[Arazi]

83. This election was hacked by Russia

[bettyellen]

37. Trump got his wall money?

[Arazi]

46. The wall is a fucking chimera. Nobody believes in that shit

[bettyellen]

50. Its been a bargaining chip, and the vote on it had been a sticking point. So no wall?

Sounds like this was NOT the same deal as was put on the table Friday. Why are so many people lying and saying this is the same deal as Friday? Why would people lie to make Dems look bad. Gee, lemme think.....

[Tarheel_Dem]

93. C'mon betty. You know why, and so do I.

[Demsrule86]

43. Latinos will ever forget...well than I guess they can vote for the deporter in chief or sit home

helping to elect more Republicans until they are all deported...the Democrats are their only chance. And if we had the presidency, they would not have this problem. We have nothing...not the house and not the Senate. Their best chance is to turn out in 18. There is no way for us to force a vote.

[Arazi]

49. They'll look at who voted against

Fuck me now, but they could break in a million directions after this betrayal.

We cannot afford this

[Demsrule86]

74. If they do that than have screwed themselves. Democrats...a strong majority ...are their only hope.

[Arazi]

81. Or they're deported and F&F are too intimidated to vote

You're obviously not on the ground with real people

Get off the internet and get out there ffs

[Tarheel_Dem]

94. If they're deportable, they couldn't vote anyway. Right?

[atreides1]

101. True

But, isn't it likely that those 800,000 Dreamers have friends and families, that can vote?

[Tarheel_Dem]

123. Look, if they choose to vote against their interests, that's their own lookout. White working class

voters have been doing it for years. Threats of not voting for Democrats won't change the fate of the Dreamers, or their "friends and families". We saw in 2016 what purist politics has wrought. Thanks to folks like Susan Sarandon & others, who didn't get their own special unicorn pony, we're all paying for it.

[brush]

47. Play chess not checkers. If there is no good deal in 3 wks we shut it down again.

We got CHIP in the meantime and it we don't get a good deal in 3 weeks we show again how inept the repugs are at governing despite running every branch.

That's thinking 2 moves ahead.

The pressure will be on them then as not being able to keep the gov. up and running.

We still have a hole card with our potential to shut it down again.

Instant gratification is over rated.

[moose65]

112. So, let's all just sit out the election then

This kind of attitude does no good. Let's just throw up our hands and let the Repubs keep control, and we'll see how THAT works out for the Dreamers!

[Fred Sanders]

17. As many have pointed out many times the Friday CR had the Wall and military $.

[Demsrule86]

36. That is a good point. This one doesn't. And the GOP wants that funding. I would give the GOP

the wall in order to save the DACA kids...military spending too. It can be changed later.

[Demsrule86]

30. Maybe we don't get DACA...we don't have the House, the Senate or the Presidency. That is a fact.

It makes me sick. But the options for Democratic leaders are limited. A government shutdown is unpopular. And it would become the Dems are shutting down the government because of illegals....that was what would happen. We got CHIP which is more than I thought we would get.

[Arazi]

32. CHIP was already decided on Friday by Rs. We had 0 to do w that

It was always included

[bettyellen]

51. Military funding and the wall was also included Fridays deal.

And now they aren’t. So a false narrative is being pushed. Interesting.

[Arazi]

60. It's called negotiation

Dems are sucking at driving this deal. You're ok w this?!

Do you honestly think Senate Rs are going to come up w a clean DACA bill? Think Ryan will ever allow his ferocious pitbull tea party thugs a crack at an immigration bill that would shred his precious R party?



This is a shitshow

[bettyellen]

67. Im talking about the false narrative about the deals many here are pushing.

Funny how you got nothing to say but “Dems suck” in reply. Says it all.

[Arazi]

69. They do on this deal, absolutely

In general, I remain a loyal member.

Do you ascribe to party over country?

[Cha]

80. False narrative.. the Dems are on the

Front Lines Fighting for our Country and the Planet.

[Cha]

85. You're wrong on all accounts.

[rpannier]

87. Do you believe that holding out would have gotten the DACA voted on?

I don't
Shutdowns are politically unpopular and are, for the most part, stupid.
They seldom accomplish anything constructive, they're expensive and the public does not support them
You can point to the polls on public opinion, but opinion shifts
You're probably not going to get a clean DACA Bill and probably were never going to get one
How long should the Democrats in the Senate have held out? A week, a month..?

[Arazi]

91. Shrug, then fine. Why do a shutdown at all? Just do Fridays deal

Why even get Dreamers hopes up? If we're going to fuck them, better we were honest up front?

Cause right now we got Fridays deal plus a vague "promise" from McConnell for immigration "debate", and a fuck off from Ryan on any DACA deal in the House

[Demsrule86]

75. We could have lost it it had the shutdown continued...and kids would have started dying this week...

many kids dependent on this program are very sick. We were not going to get DACA at this time...we can organize now and hope for the best.

[Arazi]

78. Exactly why we should have never caved. Dying children

Dem ad makers dream...

#SickButTrue

[renegade000]

12. Plus the public gets three weeks to organize regarding DACA

If everyone just devotes a little time contacting their reps about the issue, or otherwise volunteering for some progressive cause, that they otherwise would be using running around chicken-littling on the internet, they'd probably feel better. Outcomes are never guaranteed... just got to roll with what happens and keep pushing forward.

Dreamers would probably appreciate action more than righteous bitching and moaning at any rate...

[Arazi]

19. Plus the GOP now has 3 weeks to craft a veritable horror immigration bill

That Dems will be forced to decide on - deport green card holders with parking tickets! Deport immigrants who are the wrong skin color! Deport babies (no more automatic US citizenship) etc etc.etc

The Rs are wet w desire to load up this bill w "goodies" Dems could never support.

Yay us! We held out 60.hours in protest!11!!! Latinos will love uz!!11!!

[Demsrule86]

31. And how would it end? The GOP love a government shutdown. When Schumer realized the GOP wouldn't b

budge, he did the right thing.

[Arazi]

42. After 60 fucking hours? We got zip

We didn't even get the fucking moron-in-chief to tell us wtf he wanted on DACA.

JFC, we caved after a weekend. We never even got a firm promise for a vote on DACA, just a vague offer of "debate" even as Ryan said "hell no, it aint crossing the House floor.

CHIP was already agreed on by Rs on Friday. We got zip

[John Fante]

62. Conjuring up sky-is-falling scenarios do no one any good.

You know perfectly well none of this crap is going to happen, not when the government can still be shut down.

[GaryCnf]

13. Nice try

CHIP was going to be funded regardless. The GOP wasn't going into 2018 with that albatross around their neck. They would have lost a hundred seats if they did.

CHIP was no more a hostage than was Cleavon Little when he held his gun to his own head in "Blazing Saddles" and Democratic voters aren't as easily fooled as the residents of Rock Ridge.

[Fred Sanders]

20. CHIP was a hostage...for 6 months now, remember? And there is no end to R evil when it comes

to the poor...the evidence of that is kind of overwhelming.

A hostage was released...what did this cost US???

[uponit7771]

98. +1

[EffieBlack]

21. Who cares about kids who'll get healthcare who'd otherwise be in limbo while Dems held up the vote

to try to force the Republicans' hands on DACA?

[MaryMagdaline]

22. Really? They have no shame

But even if we disagree on what GOP was up to, we need to raise the CHIPS banner now and keep reminding the country that CHIPS expired under Republicans. Never happened before

[Demsrule86]

33. No it wasn't.

I love it ...anything the Dems get is no big deal but the stuff we can't get makes the Dems bad...sorry...they did a good job and you are just plain wrong.

[GaryCnf]

48. I guess you are free to simply proclaim "You are wrong"

But you might take a stab at explaining what basis you have for claiming the GOP would have gone into the 2018 elections with no funding for CHIP and (by the time the election rolled around) dead children stacked up on their doorstep like firewood.

[John Fante]

66. They would have blamed the Democrats for it.

They were playing the "Democrats care more about illegals than American babies" card this weekend, and the media was lapping it up.

[pnwmom]

89. Oh yeah? Well, it hadn't been funded regardless. Not up till now. And now it's off the table. n/t

[GaryCnf]

104. Oh yea?

[uponit7771]

97. Its false to say CHIP would've been funded, you don't understand white supremacist and their ...

... lack of giving a damn.

[GaryCnf]

103. I'd dare say I have a better feel

for what white supremacists can and will do than you can even imagine. Of course, because we stood up and defended our communities by force, they knew what people of color will do too.

But please go ahead and lecture me about how the leadership knows what's best for us.

[uponit7771]

113. I'm black myself and lived in SE KC ... the Ferguson of the west side of the Show Me state. THEY ...

... DON'T CARE PERIOD.

Unless a bright light is shined on them and kept on them they don't give a damn if children lose health care so to say

[GaryCnf]

114. But they care about being re-elected

Acting like CHIP was really on the chopping block is a manufactured "victory" to obscure what was an idiotic plan in the first place and a humiliating defeat in the end.

You know those FIRC (I'll explain the term via PM, if you like. Suffice to say it is not complimentary to the Trumpsters who surround us) are dancing in the streets as we speak.

[uponit7771]

115. No they don't, their districts are gerrymandered and they have voter suppression that makes them

... feel safe.

We have a lot to overcome this November

[GaryCnf]

116. But there are a hundred (R) districts that aren't

(well, "aren't" gerrymandered to the extent that they can murder children and get away with it - which, sadly, may well be the case where you live now and in the rural areas surrounding where I grew up) and the GOP knows they would have lost every single one of those (and effectively end Trump's presidency) districts if they would have left CHIP unfunded.

[uponit7771]

117. I disagree, I think this is going around that the KGOP cared about CHIP ... they don't give a damn

... I haven't seen their level of shame rise to that this year.

They still support a world renown racist, they have no shame so I think CHIP was a win that was worth it.

They did just "forget" about CHIP, they didn't care ... Ryan is a true believer he NO DOUBT doesn't care about people dying.

Just look at Ryan's dreamer bill !!!

[GaryCnf]

118. We might be talking past each other a little.

I doubt there are more than a couple of Republicans who give a fuck about CHIP or children in general. You couldn't be more correct. They prove that every time they draw a breath. Their only concern is getting re-elected.

[Docreed2003]

23. Randy, I respect you and your posts, even if we havent always agreed

CHIP was certainly a program worth fighting for, but it was also a part of the CR last week. What exactly was won by accepting this proposal now? The same proposal from last week? I will readily applaud the funding for CHIP, as I see the repercussions of a repeal of CHIP daily....but what exactly did we win here? A promise for a vote for Dreamers in the Senate??

My Dreamer medical assistant is holding her breath through all this...and the only promise we’ve provided is a vote in the Senate!! The House hasn’t even agreed to vote on this! Despite the 89% approval rating nation wide for Dreamers, I just don’t see the House bringing it to the floor....I may be wrong, but I’m not optimistic. I’d be greatful for any here with more optimism!

[Demsrule86]

34. The truth is the Dems don't have the power to save the Dreamers without GOP votes. If it were me, I

would be looking to hide out until we get the GOP out.

[Docreed2003]

57. I get that...thats an honest response

My point was more of why are we celebrating a victory today, when we could have had the same on Friday? And without the shutdown?!! CHIP being saved and solvent is a great win, but we could have had that on Friday and where does that leave Dreamers? We must continue the fight for Dreamers or this shutdown will be viewed as meaningless..

[Demsrule86]

61. I am happy that CHIP was saved. I didn't think it would be. Also someone told me the military

funding is not in the new CR...and something else they want too which I can't remember...so there may still be leverage. Will it be enough? I don't know.

updated. the wall and military funding are not in this CR. Or so I have been told.

[pnwmom]

105. We won't know who has "won" till all this is over. But we do know when the current

3 week extension expires, they won't be holding CHIP hostage anymore, because it has now been funded for 6 years.

Did you watch Lawrence O'Donnell tonight? You might like this.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-with-i-object-mcconnell-owns-shutdown-s-worst-harms-1143240771644

[Docreed2003]

106. Thank you pnwmom

Not only for the Lawerence clip...but for highlighting my ridiculous choice of words in “win/won”. It’s so easy to use words like that which sugar coat our actual struggle and dilute it into a game of “my side vs yours”. I needed that...thank you!

[pnwmom]

110. It wasn't ridiculous -- the media has been using won/lost terms all day.

It's too early to know what the final outcome will be. But with the CHIP extension out of the way, we can now focus that much harder on DACA and Dreamers. We should be deluging Congress with demands to take care of them.

[Docreed2003]

111. Absolutely agree...

The Dreamers are too important not to...the fight goes on!

[GaryCnf]

40. CHIP would be funded before one child was denied medical care

No one seriously believes otherwise. Republicans are venal as hell, but they aren't going to forfeit the House of Representatives.

We got NOTHING we wouldn't have gotten anyway.

And as one person in this string had the honesty to admit . . . DACA isn't going to pass the next time either (or it will pas without a path to citizenship and with a green light to expedited deprtations of MILLIONS of hard-working immigrants - which undoubtedly will also be called a "victory" in some circles) and we will fold again and that huge swath of Hispanic and Latino voters that we are counting on in 2018 will be saying FROM THEIR LIVING ROOMS "Who will fight for us?" the same way the people around me were saying the same thing when the names of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, and Sandra Bland, etc. disappeared from our 2016 campaign.

[Squinch]

109. I seriously believe otherwise. There is no morally necessary program that republicans will fund

unless their arms are twisted. They would not have funded CHIP without getting something in return, and they got three weeks on DACA.

However, I agree with you: we had better make three weeks from now our last stand and fall on our swords rather than give in on DACA.

[Kirk Lover]

41. I also think Mitchy publicly saying we'll look at DACA separately blah is making him

accountable to the 87% of people that support it. Granted not everybody is paying attention to this but there are a lot more than years past.....this I firmly believe. I mean look at me, I'm at a Democratic message board ! Who da thunk it.

[quartz007]

65. +100

[BobTheSubgenius]

70. This is absolutely not nothing!

It is something, for sure. Lives will be saved - what is more 'something' than that?

[Ztolkins]

86. I think it's funny this is being discussed as a "win" for any side.

When all they did was fund the government for 2 weeks. Big fucking deal.

They funded CHIP? Great. Why was it defunded? Oh yeah...not because of a robust debate over its merits or whatever. No. They forgot. WTF is that? "Oh, sorry, I forgot to authorize funding for 9 million kids healthcare...oops, you'll still vote for me right?" Forgot..like, literally forgot.

So, great, they fixed that.

And the Democrats. "Vote for us. We'll take a strong stand for the DREAMERS because they have big dreams." Without any evidence of having thought about what comes next. Oh, wait, no. What they did was, after 9 years of bleating about how bad a scoundrel Mitch McConnell is, turn a dime. "Wait, Mitch is our boy. We trust him! He's cool! S'all good, y'all. He - promised - we vote on dreams later."

And then, the media...all they want to talk about is who fucking lost and won. I don't know who know won, but I've got a funny feeling it's the people who will ended up losing.

Why do you guys keep defending this shit?

[uponit7771]

99. They did ... NOT ... just "forget" come on that's crazy, white supremacist don't care about people .

... dying that they don't value.

"forgot" !!??!

REALLY !?!?

[Hekate]

88. Abso-flippin-lutely. I'll take those six years over nothing any day.

My youngest (and final) grandson was born prematurely in September, and tho he is out of the hospital for now, he has heart surgery in two months. He's going to be a million dollar baby, and for him to survive at all, CHIP is an absolute necessity.

[Squinch]

107. Best to both of you. Let us know how the surgery comes out. It's another proof of the

republicans' rank hypocrisy that their "pro life" selves tried to scrap this program that is keeping so many children alive.

CHIP, check.

Onward to DACA.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

90. K&R nt

[oberliner]

108. The reauthorization of the CHIP program was in the Friday bill

Democrats could've just voted for it then.

[Fred Sanders]

119. AND also had the wall funding and huge military boost the military did

not even want...kind of what I like to call "not the same thing".