I pledge to go to jail.

[Atticus]

None of us truly knows for sure how we'll react if we ever find ourselves in one of those "put up or shut up" moments involving what we claim to be our principles. That said, if I am ever on a bus, train, plane or, for that matter, a sidewalk in this United States and armed police demand to see my "papers", my "proof of citizenship, I will refuse. I will have my driver's license, a couple other photo IDs, voter registration, etc. in my wallet, but I will not voluntarily display them. If I am told to furnish proof of citizenship or face arrest I intend to tell them to arrest me and HOPE I can resist the urge to tell them to kiss my ass.

May Trump and his fascist bastards rot in hell.

[Demsrule86]

1. Very brave...but I suggest a different approach...help Hide Dreamers from ICE.

Keep a low profile and let's be the heroes like those who hid the Jews in another time when evil was triumphant.

[Atticus]

5. IMHO, not a topic for open discussion. No offense intended. nt

[Demsrule86]

14. True...I would want it to be secret...but my point is we have things we can do ourselves. Not saying

anyone should break the law.

[Atticus]

6. Not looking for trouble. Just not going to run from it if I encounter it. nt

[Aristus]

2. Me too.

I tend to be pretty cautious around cops. I don't let the fact that I'm a middle-aged white guy allow me to feel indemnified against police misconduct.

But if any of them pull a 'papers, please' with me or anyone else in my presence, they're going to get an earful of the Bill of Rights.

[brush]

3. 4th Amendment violation, right? Among other.

[Aristus]

4. Yes, indeed. Absent probable cause ( determined by a judge ),

asking for proof of citizenship is a Fourth Amendment violation.

[PoliticAverse]

7. "The Counstitution in the 100-mile border zone"...

https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

[panader0]

13. I live in So Az and if I want to drive to Tucson or even Benson, or get to I-10,

I have to go through Border Patrol stops. There are dogs, apparently to smell
if you are "illegal". But it's for drugs. I hate it. If I want to go to a concert in
Tucson, I can't take a doobie with me. They have x-ray machines that can
look inside your vehicle. It's un-American to me.

[RainCaster]

9. I may choose to identity myself as Muslim

Proof of citizenship? How many of us ever carry that in our normal everyday life?

[bigbrother05]

10. My suspicion is that they won't ask for mine but require others to comply

Hope to refuse to let anyone be taken if I don't go too.

Pitch a fit, "I don't have any damn papers!" Make a fuss and force their hand.

[shraby]

11. They'd get my papers over my dead body. It's against the constitution and until that's changed, I

don't have to show papers to anyone...and won't.

[raven mad]

12. Hell, Atticus, I can't even find my birth certificate..............

which I have to have to renew a license/ID that expired 3 years ago.........


I'll join you if I can bring my kitties!