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Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:28 PM Jan 2018

This is what really happened when Chelsea Manning partied with the far right

The full mic.com article here!

Over the weekend, photos surfaced of Manning attending a gala held on Saturday by the far right’s most acerbic demagogues. As Manning insisted that she was there to “crash” the A Night for Freedom party at the five-story nightclub FREQ NYC, new photos surfaced. A few showed her laughing along at the party with far-right talking head Gavin McInnes, who once called trans people “gender niggers.” Meanwhile, photos dating back to November emerged showing Manning posing after an “escape room” game with pro-Trump conspiracy hustlers including Lucian Wintrich and Jack Posobiec.

The reaction from many on the anti-Trump left has included feelings of confusion and betrayal. Advocates and enemies reached for myriad explanations for how it is that Manning — military whistleblower and hero to the anti-fascist left — ended up at a right-wing rager.

Is Manning a secret fascist? No, it turns out — she’s just allowed a trusted confidante to lead her into catastrophe, yet again.

To anyone familiar with key players in right-wing political drama, the attendance list would have set off major red flags. One attendee was Wintrich, a coworker of Fairbanks’ at the Gateway Pundit and a fake news purveyor. Another was Posobiec, famous for, among other things, advancing the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory that led a gunman to a Washington, D.C., pizzeria in search of a fake pedophile ring.

Fairbanks asked the group whether it was alright to bring Manning. They were happy to have her. Mic was told by those in attendance, as well as Manning’s campaign staff, that she was never fully briefed on exactly who she would be hanging out with.

To call the attendees of the gala part of the “alt-right” is a delicate category error. The event was held by the leaders of the “alt-lite” or “new right,” a loose coalition of pro-Trump internet celebrities and new media stuntmen who, while avowedly anti-white nationalist, nevertheless advance anti-black, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant talking points. Mike Cernovich, the party’s headlining host, built his reputation as a rape apologist blogger, was once charged with sexual assault and also famously advanced the “pizzagate” conspiracy theory.

For many on the left watching from home, however, the damage was done. By attending the event at all, Manning set herself up for accusations of co-signing a gala of pseudo-fascists and white supremacists.

Those on the right, on the other hand, were quick to brag about how civil they’d been to Manning, even as her Twitter mentions filled to the brim with transphobic abuse. For those who always considered Manning a traitor, the photos were evidence that she was a pox on progressive politics all along. And for purportedly left-leaning conspiracy theorists, the event became a part of a broader plot.

Fairbanks told Mic she’s now wracked with guilt, blaming herself for the damage and for pulling a vulnerable friend past the cameras and straight into a public relations catastrophe.

But perhaps no one was hurt more than Manning. Muslim activist Linda Sarsour, who endorsed Manning’s senate campaign, told BuzzFeed’s Joe Bernstein that Manning “expressed extreme regret” to Sarsour for attending the party, and was on “the verge of tears.” Two individuals close to Manning confirmed to Mic that she’s deeply upset that there’d be any doubt as to her anti-fascist credibility.

But Manning’s new constituency — the anarchists, the transgender rights activists, the radically anti-fascist left — are unlikely to tolerate any further fraternizing with right-wing provocateurs. No more parties. No more game nights. Wintrich told Mic he wouldn’t fault Manning for distancing herself further from them.

Fairbanks told Mic she wanted to make clear was it was never her intention to try to convert Manning to the far right. Indeed, she said she never believed anything of the sort would be possible.

“She has more guts and backbone than anyone else I have ever known,” Fairbanks said. “The left should be proud to have her.”


It's a really interesting story about how Chelsea Manning got to where she is, what really led to her time in military prison, and how she's trusted people that she probably shouldn't be. I don't believe for a second that Manning is actually a hidden fascist right-winger. She's not some Peter Thiel Milo Yiannopoulos pet LGBTQ+ for the right to trot out and show just how "tolerant" they really are (hint: they're not). I will say it's possible she's too easily led by people she trusts.
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This is what really happened when Chelsea Manning partied with the far right (Original Post) Saviolo Jan 2018 OP
I just don't buy it... I certainly do NOT trust her. hlthe2b Jan 2018 #1
We may be loosing a valuable person TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #3
Nope. Shed be valuable running against a GOper but shes trying to unseat a popular Dem- one bettyellen Jan 2018 #7
Agreed. I'm not sure whether or not she's complicit in what's going on... Salviati Jan 2018 #12
Silver linings are this may make her reassess why she's primarying a democrat. joshcryer Jan 2018 #16
I don't find her valuable. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #21
Those organizations are not destroying a valuable person's good reputation - karynnj Jan 2018 #28
Especially if she's hanging out with those assholes. Initech Jan 2018 #6
Being a stooge of unscrupulous people doesn't make one untrustworthy. joshcryer Jan 2018 #8
Being a stooge for the likes of these RWers, makes her DANGEROUS hlthe2b Jan 2018 #23
That's a fair point. joshcryer Jan 2018 #33
Manning is an idiot and an attention hog... Baconator Jan 2018 #40
Never heard of this so-called alt-lite mentioned. They're supposedly anti-white nationalist... brush Jan 2018 #2
The author is trying to soften the blow. joshcryer Jan 2018 #11
Oh, I know. His name is at the top of the list of repulsive, racist, alt-wrong a-holes. brush Jan 2018 #13
Thats a lotta words just to call her an idiot. ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #4
Yeah, one episode of bad judgement might be forgiven but hanging w Cernovich and Posobiec twice? No. bettyellen Jan 2018 #5
This is exactly right. She just got caught and this is the new spin. R B Garr Jan 2018 #25
Yup... n/t renegade000 Jan 2018 #44
I don't buy it and even if true, that bad judgement call on her part is not in any way encouraging. marble falls Jan 2018 #9
Sarsour is an idiot JI7 Jan 2018 #10
She sure seems prone to getting duped. Adrahil Jan 2018 #14
i agree.. shes had some decisions to make in her life and maybe not all were good. samnsara Jan 2018 #29
Whichever story you believe, this is a person who should not hold the well being of others in her Squinch Jan 2018 #15
I wish we could have some damn boring ass breaucrats to run our country. joshcryer Jan 2018 #18
I love damn boring ass bureaucrats. From where we sit, they look like paradise. Squinch Jan 2018 #20
Just another right wing shill 4now Jan 2018 #17
I don't buy it...she is supported by Assange and Greenwald...IE Putin. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #19
"she was never fully briefed on exactly who she would be hanging out with." MGKrebs Jan 2018 #22
Even if you believe that she personally is to the left of Bernie Sanders, what could she bring to karynnj Jan 2018 #24
this person should not be in gvnt until she knows WHO she is and WHAT she wants... samnsara Jan 2018 #26
Likely There Are Russians Involved Somewhere dlk Jan 2018 #27
Who Are You Going To Believe Me. Jan 2018 #30
Manning and Sarsour are part of Putin's network, whether they know it or not. yardwork Jan 2018 #31
One of my mottos in politics is to determine who actions help. joshcryer Jan 2018 #34
That is a very robust and useful compass. yardwork Jan 2018 #36
Exactly this JI7 Jan 2018 #35
+++Perfect description. This undermining must be exposed R B Garr Jan 2018 #43
Hmmmmmmmmm.......... Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2018 #32
Obvious to me she pulled one over on Obama GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #37
That's what I thought, too. Obama was being magnanimous because R B Garr Jan 2018 #42
Manning's just a few pints short of a quart struggle4progress Jan 2018 #38
Bradley Manning was not a very smart person calguy Jan 2018 #39
So shes either a closet fascist Codeine Jan 2018 #41
Just wanted to add some thoughts at the end, here: Saviolo Jan 2018 #45
Poor dear mcar Jan 2018 #46
That right there - MrsMatt Jan 2018 #47

hlthe2b

(102,150 posts)
1. I just don't buy it... I certainly do NOT trust her.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jan 2018

IF she really WERE that gullible, she has no business running for elected office--certainly not to replace a reliable and competent incumbent Democratic Senator.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. We may be loosing a valuable person
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jan 2018

We have seen the tactics of the vomitous opposition in James O'Keefe, Breitbart and others to manufacture situations that can damage or destroy people and organizations that are good.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. Nope. Shed be valuable running against a GOper but shes trying to unseat a popular Dem- one
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

Who has been working against the Russian involvement. It appears she is being used by people- gullible at best. And that’s being very generous.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
12. Agreed. I'm not sure whether or not she's complicit in what's going on...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jan 2018

But I'm 100% sure she's being used by people who are.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
16. Silver linings are this may make her reassess why she's primarying a democrat.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:56 PM
Jan 2018

I mean if it's true that she regrets what happened.

I highly doubt Jill Stein regrets hanging with Putin and Michael Flynn.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
28. Those organizations are not destroying a valuable person's good reputation -
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:18 PM
Jan 2018

her reputation is based on misguided things she did. She was used by Assange and Greenwald to hurt Obama diplomacy.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
6. Especially if she's hanging out with those assholes.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jan 2018

O'Keefe, Cernovich, and Posobiec are not our friends. I feel like they're setting her up to be a mole. If they got their hands on classified information, they'd be downright dangerous. This cannot be good, and it definitely won't end well.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
8. Being a stooge of unscrupulous people doesn't make one untrustworthy.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

It can arguably be a learning experience and should be taken that way.

For instance, now she may realize that primarying a Democrat is what they want.

hlthe2b

(102,150 posts)
23. Being a stooge for the likes of these RWers, makes her DANGEROUS
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:06 PM
Jan 2018

Given what she has been through, that she has seemingly learned NOTHING is not a minor issue.

We have a good Senator in Ben Cardin--one whose eyes are wide open re: Russian manipulation and tactics. That she wants to primary HIM, tells me all I need to know.

Go live your life, Chelsey. Thanks to President Obama, you will have one, despite your lack of gratitude.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
33. That's a fair point.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:00 PM
Jan 2018

Normally I'd say "nah, she's not dangerous, she won't even make a dent," but I learned my lesson from Trump and his ilk.

This is just the first time I've seen any article talking about regret when it comes to these manipulations. What I'd like to happen from this is for her to run for a smaller seat that's up for grabs (it's mostly a D state but surely someone's retiring). But I fear she's surrounded by sycophants who won't speak their mind about this shit. And there's a hell of a lot more money to be gained from playing victim and running for Senate.

brush

(53,745 posts)
2. Never heard of this so-called alt-lite mentioned. They're supposedly anti-white nationalist...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:39 PM
Jan 2018

while at the same time being anti-black and anti-Muslim, etc.

What are they, pretzels? How can that even be possible in a human being?

Sounds like bullshit.

And Manning, doesn't seem like she's ready for prime time as a candidate—definitely needs seasoning.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
11. The author is trying to soften the blow.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:49 PM
Jan 2018

I've never heard of Mike Cernovich being called "alt-lite." Nothing in his politics sounds moderate at all. I think he is one of the most transphobic assholes out there. Look up the quotes if you want to be nauseated.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. Yeah, one episode of bad judgement might be forgiven but hanging w Cernovich and Posobiec twice? No.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jan 2018

She got caught and isn’t now crying over it. Dimes to donuts they’re drinking at the same trough. If not, she’s a huge idiot, doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
25. This is exactly right. She just got caught and this is the new spin.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

People are on to these types and are calling it out, so there is nowhere to hide now. We see them.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
10. Sarsour is an idiot
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jan 2018

And even before this there was no reason to support her other than to hurt the democratic party.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
14. She sure seems prone to getting duped.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jan 2018

First by Assange, now by these dweebs. It's like she isn't too bright and has a tendency to make bad decisions.

samnsara

(17,607 posts)
29. i agree.. shes had some decisions to make in her life and maybe not all were good.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

....she needs to pick a side and stay with it and then grow in that role....but so far I see no maturity. Certainly not enuff to warrant a senate seat.

Squinch

(50,924 posts)
15. Whichever story you believe, this is a person who should not hold the well being of others in her
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jan 2018

hands. She does not have good judgment.

Too much drama, too many "I never realized"s, too much mishegas.

After the republican shithole is ousted from office, I want to be able to vote for some nice, boring, competent drama-free Democrats.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. I wish we could have some damn boring ass breaucrats to run our country.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:59 PM
Jan 2018

But I guess that's too much to ask for.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
22. "she was never fully briefed on exactly who she would be hanging out with."
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jan 2018

Well that's pretty stupid, but it's also weasel words. Is anyone ever "fully" briefed?
Either she didn't know who they were (hard lesson learned maybe?) or she did know and is now trying to be deceptive.
A bad scene either way.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
24. Even if you believe that she personally is to the left of Bernie Sanders, what could she bring to
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

the Senate AND is it likely that someone for whom there was not even overwhelming support that she should have her sentence commuted could win election even in blue Maryland if people were unwise enough to give her the nomination?

Note that even among many who thought that after 7 years in prison she should have an unusually long sentence commuted there were many who thought her actions were wrong. Those actions are the ONLY basis I can think of as her credential to be a Senator. Note that she might have had a better case of being considered a whistleblower if she had stopped after putting out the Iraq atrocity videos.

However, she did NOT stop there. She gave wikileaks a huge amount of raw state department cables. By raw, many were random reports - of uncertain validity - that local people gave the embassies. The state department used all that information, information from the embassies themselves and a lot of solid background information to put together a coherent view of each country that was used by the state department, the President and others. Releasing raw, unverified stuff allowed our enemies to do two things - identify some informants and to use embarrassing reports - out of context and sometimes completely not true to harm US diplomacy.

Note that we now have a lot of hindsight and we KNOW that Greenwald and Assange might both have been allied with Russia. What we knew then was the release embarrassed Obama and Clinton. Even years later, wikileaks continued to strategically leak information at a time when it could negatively impact US foreign policy. (ie before Secretary Kerry's first trip to Central and South AMerica - where his history in speaking against the Contras could have made him an unusually successful diplomat - negative accounts relating to spying on some countries in the region.

Though her motivation might have been honorable, she was played by Assange, Greenwald et al. She is lucky to out of jail and because of those state department tapes which she "trusted" Assange and Greenwald to filter things that should not go out, I absolutely do not think ANY Democrat should support her for ANY political office. She showed appalling judgment.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
31. Manning and Sarsour are part of Putin's network, whether they know it or not.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)

It's obvious what's happening. Following is a short list of people and groups who are all behaving with the same goal - to depress support for Democratic candidates, with the effect of allowing insane-right Republicans to be elected. Whether they know it or not, they are funded and scripted by Putin:

Jill Stein
Linda Sarsour
Nina Turner and "Our Revolution"
Random third party candidates with nothing good to say about the Democratic Party
Websites and blogs that promote conspiracy theories such as pizza-gate

Proceed with caution. Don't believe a word they say. Don't vote for them or the candidates they promote.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
34. One of my mottos in politics is to determine who actions help.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:05 PM
Jan 2018

It's not about whether to not the action is good or not, but whether or not the end result hurts or harms the most people. Anything that harms Democrats therefore harms more people, in general. It's been a pretty easy moral compass and with a few exceptions here or there (mainly Democrats who fell from grace) it's been accurate as all hell.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
37. Obvious to me she pulled one over on Obama
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jan 2018

From depressed and suicidal a year ago to this? We all made the mistake of confusing her being in a vulnerable group with her being virtuous.

She and Assange are two peas in a pod.

Too bad her traitor ass is still not rotting in jail where she was rightly sent.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
42. That's what I thought, too. Obama was being magnanimous because
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jan 2018

of her gender identity, but it turns out she is still the traitorous snake she always was, and now a proven RW troll.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
45. Just wanted to add some thoughts at the end, here:
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jan 2018

I'm a little disappointed some of the responses in this thread that are treating Chelsea as an enemy instead of a victim. But here is a thread that showed up on my twitter feed today that sums up my feelings:











And for those that can't see Twitter:

I’m kinda worried about Chelsea Manning because I love her, because I want her to do well, and seeing her being groomed by Nazis - and apparently falling for it - is immensely disheartening and disappointing. But it goes to show you it can happen to anyone. They knew exactly what they were doing, these fucks. She got out of prison less than a year ago. They were moving on her before that. Befriending her. Being nice to her. Inviting her to parties and game nights. Nazis are people, not orcs. They have normal social gatherings and hangouts like anyone else. And Chelsea, starved for friendship after 7 years in a horrible prison, would find that very hard to turn down. So she went to a game night here or a small gathering there. Didn’t discuss politics at all. Her good friend Cassandra, ex-leftist, by her side. supported. Liked. Being treated as her true gender. So what if they disagree on some political points. let’s just play Carcassone. And then she’s going to a larger party, just a little thing downtown, oh wait is that Gavin mcinnes? Now the pics come out and she’s torn to shreds by her former allies. They knew what they were doing, zeroed in on her need for social companionship and weaponized it. I don’t think she is altright or even sympathetic. But she was being groomed by people who will be super nice to her face but want to put her in a death camp. Because they are afraid of her, deeply afraid, they sought to neutralize her influence. It was a lack of judgement on her part. I’m not her but the first Twinks for Trump pic I saw on the wall of someone’s apartment I’d turn around and leave.

MrsMatt

(1,660 posts)
47. That right there -
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jan 2018

demonstrates impeccable qualities in a potential US senator.

KFC, what a joke. She's a moron.

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