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Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:27 AM

White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You

Just reading it brings back the pain the Obamas must have felt but a must read.


"For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.

They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

[link:http://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24/white-evangelicals-people/|

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Reply White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You (Original post)
flying_wahini Jan 2018 OP
kimbutgar Jan 2018 #1
Tarc Jan 2018 #37
keithbvadu2 Jan 2018 #42
Kaleva Jan 2018 #52
Hortensis Jan 2018 #45
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #53
Lunabell Jan 2018 #58
Initech Jan 2018 #2
atreides1 Jan 2018 #40
democratisphere Jan 2018 #3
dalton99a Jan 2018 #4
Cha Jan 2018 #31
TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #5
thbobby Jan 2018 #6
NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #7
longship Jan 2018 #8
Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #20
longship Jan 2018 #25
Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #30
haele Jan 2018 #36
erronis Jan 2018 #38
longship Jan 2018 #49
TlalocW Jan 2018 #9
3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #16
Hekate Jan 2018 #18
Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #21
yonder Jan 2018 #29
AllaN01Bear Jan 2018 #32
Missn-Hitch Jan 2018 #10
Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #22
Missn-Hitch Jan 2018 #35
Ilsa Jan 2018 #41
Missn-Hitch Jan 2018 #60
Ilsa Jan 2018 #62
Missn-Hitch Jan 2018 #63
bobbieinok Jan 2018 #11
C Moon Jan 2018 #12
SergeStorms Jan 2018 #24
C Moon Jan 2018 #27
StarryNite Jan 2018 #13
Upthevibe Jan 2018 #15
nightwing1240 Jan 2018 #34
Different Drummer Jan 2018 #57
DFW Jan 2018 #14
Mister Ed Jan 2018 #17
Hekate Jan 2018 #19
jimmil Jan 2018 #23
SergeStorms Jan 2018 #26
MarcA Jan 2018 #28
AJT Jan 2018 #33
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #39
kchamberlin25 Jan 2018 #43
Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #44
paulkienitz Jan 2018 #46
Enoki33 Jan 2018 #47
Politicub Jan 2018 #48
erlewyne Jan 2018 #50
Faux pas Jan 2018 #51
geretogo Jan 2018 #54
Scurrilous Jan 2018 #55
samir.g Jan 2018 #56
Ligyron Jan 2018 #59
MountCleaners Jan 2018 #61

Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:30 AM

1. Born agains are still the same a holes they were before they accepted evangelical Jesus.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:54 PM

37. A twice-baked potato is still a potato

If that isn't a saying, it should be.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:31 PM

42. They did not 'accept' Jesus... They falsely claimed him as their own and modified his teachings.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:49 PM

52. So true. Many of them actually rejected Jesus.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:49 PM

45. Roughly A QUARTER of evangelical voters voted Democrat.

Are they assholes also?

Bit of a broad brush? If you guys were speaking about minority evangelicals your posts would be hidden, and yes, there are a bunch of minority evangelicals.

Only assholes are assholes.

And while we're on the subject of frustrated anger, roughly 30% of all white working class males voted Democratic in 2016.

I despise what most social conservative evangelicals are doing as much as anyone, and probably more than some because I'm surrounded by them here in the deep South. I get hate glares, and I hide my relationship to our son because it could destroy the business he does in this area if it were known.

But these assholes are very reliable voters, and they're certainly not "through with" themselves just because some others wish their wishes were horses.

Most will never have what we'd consider a true "come to Jesus" moment and will never repent.

We have to outvote them.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:40 PM

53. Yeah yeah

 

"Not all white people"

"Not all men"

We get it. If you're not one of the people that's the problem then you ain't got shit to be offended about, now do you?

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:22 PM

58. Exactly!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:30 AM

2. These assholes are not Christian. They are cult worshipping psychopaths.

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Response to Initech (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:24 PM

40. Only interested in control.

They don't care about people's souls, they just want to control people's lives and force their delusional beliefs on the world!!!

I'd go so far as to say they make cultists look reasonable!!!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:32 AM

3. Complete frauds for which there is no redemption. None!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:38 AM

4. White evangelicals are nothing but vile racist scum

just like their god and savior Shithole

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:36 AM

31. ".. just like their god and savior shithole"

Perfect.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:41 AM

5. There's a reason...

Why the white racist groups are aligned against Jews, Muslims, and LGBT: they're led by fundagelical types.

They *say* they're Christian, but they have no idea what that means. They think their fundagelical "ministers" represent Christianity. They are quite mistaken.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:47 AM

6. Hypocrisy exposed #MAGA

Just like part of family values worshipping immoral pervert (trump, not moore - or maybe trump and moore).
Or
Party of patriots complicit in trump Russian collusion.
Party of law and order attacking FBI.

Evangelical, family values, patriots, law & order just empty words.
trump is #MAGA by exposing dishonesty and hypocrisy of GOP and Christian Right.
Go trump, GO!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:51 AM

7. Excellent read!!! n/t

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:51 AM

8. Is anybody here aware of what the Old Testament says?

Fundamentalists above all worship the Hebrew Bible, aka the Old Testament. For Christ sakes, they want to put the Decalogue -- aka, the Ten Commandments -- into every courthouse and schoolroom in the country. This is where they get their opposition to gays, but somehow all sorts of sexual preversions are okee-dokey. All is forgiven -- one gets a Mulligan from God -- as long as one is Republican. Apparently, except the gay.

Shame!

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Response to longship (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:40 AM

20. Christian Dominionism, CNP

 

Loathsome, dangerous, powerful hypocrites

Ralph Reed on your school board, in your bedroom, at your cervix, ma’am

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:04 AM

25. I'm Rocky Rococo, at your cervix.

All right, hold it right where you are! I'm Lieutenant Bradshaw with a piece of advice for you. Now, here in the studio it's all knuckles and know how. But when that red light goes off, I'm just plain Harry Aames: citizen, weekend father. (background – “See ya tomorrow.” “Goodnight, Harry” “Bye Harry”) Now take a tip from a cop who does; radio work can be just as dirty and exciting as hunting down public enemy Number One. So when I get home, my old lady knows what I need, and how! A warm, heaping bowl full of Loosener's Castor Oil Flakes—with real glycerin vibrafoam! It doesn't just wash your mouth out—it cleans the whole system, right on down the line! So, come on you little rookies! Tell your mom to get on it, and do it everyday! Just remember what the guys down at the precinct-house sing...

(singing) Oooooohhhh... It ain't no use if you ain't got the boost, the boost you get from Looseners! Loooooooooooooo-snerrrrrrrz!


The all weather breakfast!


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Response to longship (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:12 AM

30. You are correct!!!

 

I met proctor and Bergman after their TV or Not TV gig in DC

Very briefly

What a night

“Lock your wigs, let the air out of your shoes, and prepare yourselves for an interval of simulated exhilaration”

Or this:





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Response to longship (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:36 PM

36. Unfortunately, they cherry pick the Old Testament to hell and back.

Honestly - if you want awareness of what the Old Testament has in it, ask a rabbi or an atheist.

There are three versions of the Ten Commandments in the KJV Old Testament, and the one they like to quote when they're thumping others with their good book is only #2. And as for being a Christian, Jesus also has commandments, in John 14:15 and other places.

They've got no idea what the whole Sodom and Gomorrah story is about - it's not about punishment for sexual misbehavior, the destruction of the cities were for breaking crucial hospitality laws, cheating and stealing from visitors - ultimately, because they were proud in their wealth and put servicing their wealth above "God's Laws".
Oh, and it's pretty clear in the KJV that had the crowd had just left when Lot offered his daughters, the city would not have been destroyed.

White Evangelical Nationalists put in "biblical laws" that aren't in the book to support their opposition to other races and abortion, and totally ignore the actual biblical laws regarding fair treatment to promote the survival of the community, no matter what sorts of other cultures are part of the community.
Their preachers and theological leaders are just as proud and greedy as those who lead Sodom and Gomorrah astray, and brought down the destruction of those cities. But since they're so invested in their wealth and power, they won't see it.

BTW, if they only read the Old Testament, wouldn't that make them Jewish or Levites? Christians are supposed to include the New Testament, especially the Red Letter parts.

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:01 PM

38. Oh, bejesus, haele. You're being way too literal

And all of these stories are just that. Parables, nudges, snippets of drunken remembrances - transcribed and reinterpreted by other drunken and/or zealots.

If we're looking for a phrase that supports our position on any subject, I'm sure we can find it in some ancient hammurabic code or elsewhere. Or invent it, because most of the morons that listen to them don't give-a-shit.

BTW, I really am agreeing with you! 110%!

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Response to haele (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:14 PM

49. Documentary hypothesis.

Let's see if I can remember... The Priestly source, the Yawist source, the Elohist source, and Deuteronomy. That's likely why so many narratives in the Torah repeat themselves.

Yup! Atheists are generally better read on the Bible than holier than thou Christians.

Thanks for your response.


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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:11 AM

9. I make it a point

To tell as many evangelicals that thanks to the internet, their hypocrisy is easily seen by all, and if they want to find a reason for the rapid increase in "nones" and flat-out atheists, all they have to do is look in the mirror for the cause.

And then I thank them for their service because the sooner we stop relying on the "morals" of Bronze-Age goat-herders, the better.

TlalocW

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:43 AM

16. Bronze Age goat herders!

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:20 AM

18. Actually, sheep. Sheep are obedient and brainless. Goats...aren't.

If a goatherder had stumbled on the god in the burning bush instead of a sheepherder, the story would have turned out differently.

But I take your point anyway.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:43 AM

21. I lived on Crete for awhile and made friends with a goat

 

I’d stand out in the yard with him, and he nibbled the hairs off my calves

Is that second base?

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:07 AM

29. I'll take Bronze Age animal husbandry for $400.00, Alex.

that might get those rightist doody-heads a-spinning.

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:11 AM

32. dont forget am and fm radio before the interent . the fcc gave them carte blanche .

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:18 AM

10. Meeting with my white, evangelical brother next weekend. I can't wait to curse. Hookers and blow!!

He's a pastor too.

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Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:46 AM

22. You forgot something

 

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:03 PM

35. I would love to have showing of that film. Cheers!

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Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:26 PM

41. Remind him of Matthew 4 verses

8 and 9:

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

These guys would bow to Satan for tax cuts and abuse of the pulpit to tell their flock how to vote without fear of losing their tax exemption. Some churches have sold out Jesus for Satan"s promises of power.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:45 AM

60. It will have zero effect. It's a cult. Plain and simple.

They are waiting for Jesus' return. And the Jerusalem capitol thing...forget it. Revelations baby!!

It's a lost cause.

Cheers!

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Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #60)

Sat Jan 27, 2018, 02:03 PM

62. LOL. So sorry you have to deal woth irrational people.

I've been trying to explain the Women's March to my sister. She's hopeless: "Trump...porn star...Bill Clinton..."
Me: "hush money...campaign finance laws"

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 27, 2018, 02:13 PM

63. Ah yes. Whataboutism?

Thanks. Been doing it my whole life. Have a good weekend.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:33 AM

11. Be sure to read the whole 'letter.' Author is an outstanding writer.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:35 AM

12. I was brainwashed into the "born again" thing when I was 19 or so.

I think it lasted for me for about a year.
A few things slapped me awake: one was that I found if I didn't go to their prayer meetings, they shunned me and didn't want to be friends—avoided me, didn't call me, etc.
After I pulled myself out that crap, it was like getting a new life: it was literally like a veil was lifted from my eyes.
The "reborn Christian" period of my life, was hands-down the most depressing and anxious part of my life.
Scary stuff.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:01 AM

24. It is liberating, isn't it?

The moment you free yourself from the yoke of religious dogma is just as you said, "it was literally like a veil was lifted from my eyes". For me it was as if a great weight had been lifted off my shoulders. All of the guilt and shame they heap heap upon you disappeared. To me, that was what heaven was supposed to feel like. And the love.........the love I was supposed to feel as a christian finally appeared. The love of everyone, all inclusive, finally manifested itself when I rejected the "christian love" I was always taught about. There were too many conditions set for the supposed "christian love". John 9:25 suddenly had real meaning; "He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see". I hate to throw their scriptures back at them in defense of my awakening, but for the first time it all made sense.

It's always nice to run into others who have fled the hypocrisy of the "born agains".

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:06 AM

27. Perfect. I felt closer to people after all that bull. And I forgot about the guilt...CONSTANT!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:38 AM

13. Mahatma Gandhi...


“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:42 AM

15. Excellent///n/t

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:51 AM

34. I wasn't aware of that quote

So, thank you and it is certainly fitting!

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

57. One of my favorite quotes. n/t

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:41 AM

14. I've been through with them for decades

Hypocritical, evil control freaks to whom "sincerity" is just one more of those funny words in the dictionary that sound fancy but mean nothing.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:50 AM

17. K & R. The editorial at the link is a quick and worthwhile read indeed.

I'd like to see it forwarded to everyone in America who claims to love both Trump and Jesus.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:23 AM

19. This is a good read. One of his respondents quotes Michael Steele's angry rant on never, ever...

...daring to preach to him again. (Yet Another Former Republican)

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:53 AM

23. Look, this is the way it is......

Evangelicals are going to love Gump as long as her gives them what they want. OK, you understand they are getting what they want.

Gump is giving evangelicals what they want because it costs Gump nothing! I doesn't cost him any political capital. Matter of fact it strengthens it. It cost Gump no power to give them what they want. And mainly.....M A I N L Y....... it cost Gump nothing monetarily. He is giving away parts of American freedom because his pockets are still full of gold and as long as he is not impacted in the pocket book Gump will do anything if he is looked at as the person who actually did what they wanted.


This is how you get a 39% voting block that will never leave you no matter what you do to other people.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:06 AM

26. Just more blatant Christian persecution!



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Just kidding everyone, just kidding.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:07 AM

28. Basically the descendants first of pro-slavery then pro-segregation n/t

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:25 AM

33. Rip off the thin vail of rightwing religious virtue and you get

today's evangelicals.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:09 PM

39. "....and you can't even imagine how we loathe you."

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:36 PM

43. The difference between a cult and a religion?

In a cult there is a person at the top who knows it's all a bunch of crap.

In a religion that person is dead.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:46 PM

44. I was through with them during the George Bush Jr. era...

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:02 PM

46. Religious faith remained solid in America through most of the last century...

but now it's plummeting. They have managed to undermine Christianity itself.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:09 PM

47. I do not dignify white evangelicals with the term Christian as they

are basically a bunch of hypocritical men who use religion and politics as a cover for their real business. Their intent is conning the gullible for donations to line their greedy pockets and finance their lavish lifestyles. They are the predators of an irrational religious belief.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:14 PM

48. They want god made in their own, hateful image

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:29 PM

50. His grandfather served at Normandy against the Nazis!

Trump is ............

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:40 PM

51. Disgraceful

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:47 PM

54. Jesus warned in the scriptures for the faithful to beware of false prophet's and the hypocrites . The

evangelicals are just that .

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:21 PM

55. K&R

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:04 PM

56. Christianity is on its way out

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Response to samir.g (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:20 PM

59. Hopefully, all superstitious and magical thinking is on its way out.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:48 AM

61. White evangelicalism is racist

Black religious folk apparently don't share the same views - but their opinion carries no weight with white evangelicals. White conservative "Christianity" is just racism and segregation - those are the real roots of their beliefs. In basing their support for Trump in their religious views, they are essentially saying that black Christians err in their beliefs.

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