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malaise

(268,713 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:03 PM Jul 2012

Willard Rmoney will not win the November elections

Americans are not going to allow that to happen and all the money from the 'we've stashed our money in tax havens' won't work.
Obama will win a second term.
Dems need to keep the Senate and take back the House.

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Willard Rmoney will not win the November elections (Original Post) malaise Jul 2012 OP
That is going to be pretty hard to do..... WCGreen Jul 2012 #1
I agree but Willard is dragging them all down malaise Jul 2012 #5
I agree DearAbby Jul 2012 #30
k&r nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #2
From your mouth to God's ears. calimary Jul 2012 #3
+1 freshwest Jul 2012 #64
how many disenfranchised voters will be turned down at the polls? spanone Jul 2012 #4
Eric Holder is on to them malaise Jul 2012 #6
Tennessee Voter ID Law Could Disenfranchise Thousands As State Program Fails To Reach Voters spanone Jul 2012 #16
So shouldn't voting rights groups like the Brennan Center ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #24
that's probably incredibly expensive and how do you reach almost 400,000 people? spanone Jul 2012 #27
100% correct malaise Jul 2012 #33
Calling All Churches ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #47
Absolutely malaise Jul 2012 #57
Vote like your life depended on it. Because it does. GOP suppression proves they're afraid of us. freshwest Jul 2012 #66
I'm from Tennessee... cheapdate Jul 2012 #45
What big mouth rethug? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #20
And that's the reason the GOP made up those lies about him - which went nowhere. freshwest Jul 2012 #65
although having Philly admit there is no evidence voter fraud occurs just blew their nuts off PatrynXX Jul 2012 #36
I agree Romney can't win. randome Jul 2012 #7
I think that is coming ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #28
But if Romney DOES win... Speck Tater Jul 2012 #8
And many families will be destroyed Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #11
If Rmoney wins the American dream is over malaise Jul 2012 #12
You can't kill an idea demwing Jul 2012 #34
He'll Just Blame It On Obama..... nt global1 Jul 2012 #14
you kidding? it will be ALL Obama's fault. TRUST ME. spanone Jul 2012 #19
That's what I thought about... leftieNanner Jul 2012 #35
Exactly. Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #38
I think one of the reasons that didn't happen is because The President Volaris Jul 2012 #61
I really thought Bush would have done that NoMoreWarNow Jul 2012 #42
amen flakey_foont Jul 2012 #9
HUGE K&R, by Mid sept rMoney should be done in swing states, GOP will pivot to save house uponit7771 Jul 2012 #10
Which is why folks should be saving every single clip of ReTHUG Congressfolks malaise Jul 2012 #21
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #13
What Dem Or Dem Organization Is Responsible For Getting Out The Votes For The House & Senate?..... global1 Jul 2012 #17
Hope you're right on the first caseymoz Jul 2012 #15
Tied? malaise Jul 2012 #22
Here's the one I'm referring to: caseymoz Jul 2012 #49
Thanks malaise Jul 2012 #58
Obama has had a slight lead demwing Jul 2012 #32
Within the margin of error caseymoz Jul 2012 #50
Why are you so negative? demwing Jul 2012 #53
What? Most negative? caseymoz Jul 2012 #55
But will he steal them? KamaAina Jul 2012 #18
Stealing won't help malaise Jul 2012 #23
This was all planned years ago. Obama is pulling Solomon Jul 2012 #25
Yep malaise Jul 2012 #29
K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #26
GO TEAM! demwing Jul 2012 #31
Dems need to keep the Senate and take back the House. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #37
Very important point re local elections malaise Jul 2012 #59
That is what Michael Manley thought TomClash Jul 2012 #39
LOL malaise Jul 2012 #41
I PRAY I am wrong! TomClash Jul 2012 #43
The prophecy doesn't specify that the White Horse saves the country by winning the election. tanyev Jul 2012 #40
they CAN steal them and with 1000 unchallenged coordinated radio stations they can get get away certainot Jul 2012 #44
Democrats have been winning since 2000 BUT zentrum Jul 2012 #46
Without publishing his Bain-era tax returns, he has no hope of getting enough independents rocktivity Jul 2012 #48
The Dem's need to Politicalboi Jul 2012 #51
Don't count your fucking chickens. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #52
He may steal the Nov elections Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #54
He's given us the villainous face Generic Other Jul 2012 #56
and that's a wee bit hard to do......keeping the Senate and taking back the House. a kennedy Jul 2012 #60
At this point in time Bellerophon Jul 2012 #62
FYLTGE yodermon Jul 2012 #63

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
30. I agree
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jul 2012

Romney is going to be toxic for all downward elections. We have to hang the crazies of the party around his neck like an anchor.

Romney is almost making it too easy for us, going "Bachman" himself, with his outrageous accusations.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
4. how many disenfranchised voters will be turned down at the polls?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jul 2012

this scares the hell out of me...

but i know you're right....GOBAMA

malaise

(268,713 posts)
6. Eric Holder is on to them
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jul 2012

what's more they exposed themselves with that big mouth Re[g]THUG in Pennsylvania, Bring in the Feds to watch them.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
16. Tennessee Voter ID Law Could Disenfranchise Thousands As State Program Fails To Reach Voters
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jul 2012

A Tennessee program meant to mitigate the potential disenfranchising effects of a new voter identification law is reaching only a small percentage of residents who don't have ID, a new report finds.

Tennessee's voter ID law went into effect at the beginning of the year, requiring citizens to present state or federally issued photo identification, such as driver's licenses, passports or concealed handgun carry permits, in order to cast a ballot. Student IDs and library cards were excluded from the list of acceptable forms of identification, though officials in Memphis are mounting an effort to make library cards acceptable.

Pro-voter ID legislators responded to concerns over the law by requiring the state to issue free photo IDs to residents who can't afford them. According to an inquiry from the Institute for Southern Studies, however, the state has only "issued 20,923 state IDs for voting purposes to citizens in Tennessee." That potentially leaves hundreds of thousands of Tennesseans still lacking the ID they will need to vote in November.

According to studies by voting rights group the Brennan Center, up to 10 percent of registered voters nationwide lack valid photo ID cards. Using that figure, the Institute for Southern Studies points out that Tennessee, with around 3.9 million registered voters, may be home to more than 380,000 citizens who wouldn't be able to vote if elections were held today.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/tennessee-voter-id-law-program_n_1669323.html

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. So shouldn't voting rights groups like the Brennan Center ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jul 2012

be focused on mobilizing folks to go door to door with the following script:

"Are you a registered voter? Are you aware that a new law went into effect that will prevent hundreds of thousands of eligible voters from voting.

I'm here to make sure you are not one of them."

And for good measure, the campaign should focus on "areas with likely Democratic voters."

spanone

(135,795 posts)
27. that's probably incredibly expensive and how do you reach almost 400,000 people?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jul 2012

the state program was SUPPOSED to reach these people but.....duh

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. Calling All Churches ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:39 PM
Jul 2012

in the African-American community!

Calling all HBCUs and Black Student Unions!

Calling all retired folks!

You do remember the Civil Rights Movement ... Right?

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
45. I'm from Tennessee...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jul 2012

The new Tennessee voter ID law will without any doubt prevent thousands of elderly, poor, young, disabled citizens from voting. It came from ALEC and was roundly approved by Tennessee's new Tea-Party Republicans who swept into office in an electoral tidal wave in 2010. It's sickening and disgusting.

That said, Tennesseans will vote for anything with an "R" beside it. Belief in UN black-helicopters and secret Muslim plots to infiltrate the government is strong and widespread in the state.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. What big mouth rethug?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jul 2012

I think I saw a title here about something, but didn't get a chance to read the thread. And when I got back it had fallen off the board.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
65. And that's the reason the GOP made up those lies about him - which went nowhere.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:58 PM
Jul 2012

There are a lot of lies out there on the net, as well as the media, if people want to know what he's doing, go to the DOJ site.

Thanks for reminding us of his work in all these states. My only concern is that some of the decisions won't be made until after November.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
36. although having Philly admit there is no evidence voter fraud occurs just blew their nuts off
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jul 2012

oops...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. I agree Romney can't win.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jul 2012

But I wish Obama would give more speeches asking for voters to vote Democratic in an effort to turn our current problems around. If done smartly, it would not appear to be 'politics as usual' but a statement of the truth as to which party is pulling the country down.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. I think that is coming ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jul 2012

But I wish more Democratic Candidates would ask voters to vote Democratic.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
8. But if Romney DOES win...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:12 PM
Jul 2012

he will so utterly destroy the economy that the Republican party will be discredited for generations to come.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. And many families will be destroyed
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

for generations to come.

Sorry, I remember '68 when a lot of leftists thought that Nixon's ascendency would be the best thing that could happen to promote the revolution.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
12. If Rmoney wins the American dream is over
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

No one who hides his wealth outside of America should be allowed to become President.
That defies any belief in the country - it cannot happen.
That is absofuckinglute madness

leftieNanner

(15,067 posts)
35. That's what I thought about...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jul 2012

Bush's first term! And his second. The Republican Party should be in the trash heap along with the Torries and the Whigs. But as long as they get away with their ASTOUNDING lying, I don't know what to think. Gotta keep fighting, though!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
38. Exactly.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jul 2012

That's what I thought after Reagan's first term...But tens of millions of Americans are just f'ing stupid.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
61. I think one of the reasons that didn't happen is because The President
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:28 AM
Jul 2012

decided NOT to kick them when they were down. He (almost singularly at that point) could have nearly destroyed that party in a matter of months. That he decided NOT TO is its own argument in defense of him being a "True" Christian.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
21. Which is why folks should be saving every single clip of ReTHUG Congressfolks
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jul 2012

defending Rmoney's tax issues and his secrecy issues; voting rights, defending the criminal bankers, stealing people's homes, etc.
The Democratic Party has learned a lot of lessons.
No more nice guy stupidity - bring it on you fucking ReTHUGs.
Obama took out Osama Bin Laden and ReTHUGs are getting no credit.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Agreed ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:15 PM
Jul 2012
Dems need to keep the Senate and take back the House.


But that won't happen until seating House and Senate Democrats and Democratic candidates join in the battle.

I can't for the life of me figure out why, with the exception of Elizabeth Warren, no one seems to be joining in ... especially since the President Obama Campaign is doing ALL the heavy lifting.

global1

(25,225 posts)
17. What Dem Or Dem Organization Is Responsible For Getting Out The Votes For The House & Senate?.....
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jul 2012

I sure do wish that Howard Dean were involved again.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
15. Hope you're right on the first
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jul 2012

He is now tied in the polls with President Obama, though Obama's ahead in the swing states.

There's probably a diminishing returns on the megabucks donated to this election. Maybe after $300 million in advertising, it doesn't matter how much more somebody spends. There's a such thing as saturation. So, I more or less agree Romney will not win.

However, there's also the economy. I'm afraid if it keeps up this bad, people are going to Reagan-out on Obama.

As for taking back the House, the Repubs are now entrenched. They've gerrymandered the districts, they have automatic voting machines, and they're purging the voting rolls and doing what they can to suppress voter drives. It's going to be hard to take back the House. With all the money in this election, it's going to be equally as hard holding the Senate.



caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
49. Here's the one I'm referring to:
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jul 2012
Dailykos/SEIU poll.

Most others show the contest within the margin of error. Which actually means you don't know who's winning. If Obama comes out ahead in all of those, but within the margin of error, mathematically it means you don't know who's winning. Even if the mean average of all of them show that he leads.

Though I have to say, I hadn't seen the poll you cited, yet. It is good news.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
50. Within the margin of error
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jul 2012

In all but one. The mathematical meaning of that is: you don't know who's winning. Even if it's six out of seven. Even if the average shows Obama in the lead. The margin of error makes the average mathematically useless as a guide. When you divide or multiply those numbers to come out with a mean average, you also multiply the margins of error.

What's most bothersome about it is, with all the problems Romney has been having, no poll should be showing him less than ten points down. If the Republicans had been able to field a decent candidate, Obama would be buried. But they can't produce a decent candidate with their current ideology. Somehow, everyone expressing it is either mendacious, corrupt, crazy or dumber than a Bush. (Capital or small letter). It should tell them what kind of people rise to the top in their belief system, but so far, they don't get the idea.

This economy is killing Obama, and it really shouldn't, because it's a Republican monster from beginning to end.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
53. Why are you so negative?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jul 2012

Either Obama has had a small but consistent lead since last October, or the two have been in a statistical tie since June of 2011.

If they've been in a tie for a year, why are you jumping in saying "Oh no, now Romney's tied with Obama!" as if it just happened last week?

Why are you pushing the most negative perspective?


caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
55. What? Most negative?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jul 2012

Most negative would obviously be if I said Romney would soon develop an insurmountable lead due to his financial support.

In fact, I don't even think most of what I've said is negative. If you read back to my first post to this subthread, I said that I agree that Obama should win because he was leading in almost all swing states. His projected electoral numbers look good.

I also cited the possibility that there might be a diminishing returns to megabucks in campaigns, that is, you get no further advantage for spending $500 million in campaign spending as you would with $300 million. Maybe there is a saturation effect that will render Romney's advantage moot. I never heard anyone mention this possibility, BTW. I came up with it myself.

Let's also hope for inflation of advertising prices, which will take more money from the wealthy who want Romney to win, and distribute it to the middle and lower classes. Therefore, frustrating the wealthy Republicans. I also didn't hear anybody mention that possibility. I didn't read it from a source either. I came up with that myself as a hopeful possibility.

You think I'm too negative, still? Maybe it's because, psychologically, I don't depend on optimism to get up in the morning. I don't have to maintain it to stay motivated. To make an effort, it's not necessary for me to tell myself that the good outcome is the only possibility.

My apology that it brings you down, but negative thoughts are only thoughts. They don't effect the world. Actions do. Your actions are dependent on your judgment, which is informed by facts. It may be necessary to maintain hope, but it's best not to get into the habit of distorting facts to do it.

I think putting your hopes in the wrong things is harmful, because it deceives you. You can make terrible decisions when you're misinformed, including when you're doing it to stay motivated. It's important to know what's invalid, like an average of several polls, and what's real, like a clear lead above the margin of error.

BTW, I also said that Obama having a clear lead in the newest NBC poll is good news. It can get better if other polls reflect it as well. It could be a breakthrough.

If you can't see the optimism that I've cited and only see that I'm so negative, it's perhaps because you need more hope than I'm offering to stave off despair. I can understand that. I'll encourage you by saying that I see Obama as the likely winner, but not every valid indicator says this.

Lastly, things I read recently suggested that Romney had pulled even with Obama in Virginia. In fact, if you look at my link above citing the Kos/Sieu poll, Romney is pulling even with Obama in national polls. That's what I was referring to. So, my perception is that, no, Romney has been trailing Obama in the polls by a clear margin. His pulling even is new, at least to me.

Now maybe we just have our eyes on different polls, or you were watching polls months ago, but the polls months ago didn't mean anything to me. They're not predictive. It's only as the election approaches that it tells you if Obama's campaign has been effective and vise versa.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
23. Stealing won't help
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jul 2012

and by November they will be afraid of stealing. Holder should threaten serious jail time for violating voter rights.

Rmoney is going down - forever.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
25. This was all planned years ago. Obama is pulling
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jul 2012

the only hole card he has... the People. It really is up to the People.

Obama is banking on the People's ability to understand which way is in their best interest by talking to the People with respect as though we are adults.

Romney is banking on the stupidity of Americans and vast amounts of money, and talks to the People like we're children. No respect.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
29. Yep
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jul 2012

In a new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, President Obama held a 49 percent to 33 percent edge on the question of which candidate is “looking out for the middle class” while new Gallup data showed Obama with a 50 percent to 39 percent edge on who “understands the problems Americans face in their everyday lives”.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/2012-its-the-values-stupid/2012/07/24/gJQAVSL36W_blog.html
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It's going to come down to who do you trust and they sure don't trust Willard

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. Dems need to keep the Senate and take back the House.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:26 PM
Jul 2012

Amen


And I would also suggest keeping and eye on local elections. The new all conserv NC house is destroying our state literally and reputation-wise. I'm certainly gonna pay more attention to my state house and senate!

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
39. That is what Michael Manley thought
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jul 2012

In 1980.

Barack should win because more people will want to vote for him. But I am telling you now, he may very well "lose."

malaise

(268,713 posts)
41. LOL
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jul 2012

Little did he know that GHWB had other plans

I sure hope you're wrong re Obama losing. America cannot be that crazy

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
43. I PRAY I am wrong!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:04 PM
Jul 2012

Others have other ideas. We will fight them. I am not optimistic, though.

Yes, GHWB DID have other ideas.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
44. they CAN steal them and with 1000 unchallenged coordinated radio stations they can get get away
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jul 2012

with it, just like they did the last 2

they have the bully pulpit as soon as obama gets off it. the left lets them control the messaging, and with talk radio getting a free speech free ride they have the confidence to try anything, and their history suggests they WILL try.

they are desperate and can't stand the black man in the white house. and in a national emergency the loudest radio stations are the limbaugh stations. have an army of dittohead tea party freaks ready to scream and rant and intimidate, just like they did in fla, and the media will call it a 'populist' movement and the left will have no clue it's just a bunch of dittoheads living a freaky ayn randian fantasy.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
46. Democrats have been winning since 2000 BUT
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jul 2012

...they have given up the fight against election fraud.

With purges and poll taxes in PA, FL and Ohio, Rmoney can indeed "win".

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
48. Without publishing his Bain-era tax returns, he has no hope of getting enough independents
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jul 2012
as these polls indicate. And by refusing to explain exactly WHY we should vote for his business acumen or his economic policies, Romney has no one to blame but himself.


rocktivity
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
51. The Dem's need to
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jul 2012

Show how the Repukes blocked EVERYTHING. Show them where we would be and where we could be if we vote them out.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
52. Don't count your fucking chickens.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jul 2012

And never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

We are in for the fight of our lives.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
56. He's given us the villainous face
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:16 AM
Jul 2012

to attach to all those anonymous fatcats who outsource our jobs, bankrupt our factories and businesses, and get tax breaks and huge salaries to boot.

a kennedy

(29,618 posts)
60. and that's a wee bit hard to do......keeping the Senate and taking back the House.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:03 AM
Jul 2012

but I totally agree.

 

Bellerophon

(50 posts)
62. At this point in time
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:34 AM
Jul 2012

It is impossible to determine If willard or Barry will win. November is a long ways away and the debates haven't even started....

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