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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:14 AM Jan 2018

I do not understand-- if 86% of the population wants to deal with Dreamers, why can't...

the representatives of that 86% just do it? The problem was caused 100% by Trump (listening to Miller, no doubt) throwing out Obama's order and daring Congress to do something about it.

If this were an honest government, Congress would take that dare and agree to a plan regardless of what Miller and his stooge President want. The majority would be veto-proof.

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I do not understand-- if 86% of the population wants to deal with Dreamers, why can't... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 OP
This reminds me of David Letterman's "Stooge of the Night" back in the day. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2018 #1
It is about "the base" madaboutharry Jan 2018 #2
the right wingers who tend to NOT support them have more representation than others JI7 Jan 2018 #3
They can't afford to upset their base. The same holds true with gun control. Arkansas Granny Jan 2018 #4
Don't forget the people who pay them the real money. TNNurse Jan 2018 #8
Yes, it seems that votes are for sale. Arkansas Granny Jan 2018 #9
EXACTLY !! They don't kacekwl Jan 2018 #17
The racists are in charge of the government in the USA. democratisphere Jan 2018 #5
They should poll the population by state oberliner Jan 2018 #6
If McConnell and Ryan suddenly decided NOT to service the orange dictator, Vinca Jan 2018 #7
It is probably not 86%. writerJT Jan 2018 #10
Because of Gerrymandering and the Senate ehrnst Jan 2018 #11
Because we are no longer a democracy Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #12
Because they are not working for us workinclasszero Jan 2018 #13
Yes we need to fix money in politics. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #18
I totally agree workinclasszero Jan 2018 #21
The 2014 Princeton-Northwestern Study has told us why polls don't matter. ancianita Jan 2018 #14
Because the Mercers, and the Koch Bros don't Soxfan58 Jan 2018 #15
Because GOP wants to push out Dem votes sharedvalues Jan 2018 #16
They work for the Donors and could care less what the people want JDC Jan 2018 #19
Because Congress does not actually avebury Jan 2018 #20
CORPORATIONS own YOU 90-percent Jan 2018 #22
With the help of Putin, Fox, Progressive dog Jan 2018 #23

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
1. This reminds me of David Letterman's "Stooge of the Night" back in the day.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:22 AM
Jan 2018

He'd choose a congressperson every night who opposed gun control when an overwhelming percentage of his constituents were in favor of it. This was just one of many:

madaboutharry

(40,149 posts)
2. It is about "the base"
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:24 AM
Jan 2018

The small percentage of the republican base who have the power to turn an election by voting third party or staying home. Republicans need those votes in order to get re-elected. They don't care about people. They care about their own jobs and holding on to their own political power.

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
4. They can't afford to upset their base. The same holds true with gun control.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:30 AM
Jan 2018

A majority of Americans supports more gun control, but it's still used as a wedge issue.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
7. If McConnell and Ryan suddenly decided NOT to service the orange dictator,
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:03 AM
Jan 2018

it could be done. They could put it up for a vote tomorrow and it would pass. For some strange reason, Congressional Republicans have decided to throw away all common sense and self respect for Don the Con.

writerJT

(190 posts)
10. It is probably not 86%.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:14 AM
Jan 2018

Remember, Trump seems to have a “floor” right around 35% (give or take a couple of points). These are the hardcore Trumpists who make excuses for everything he says and does. Why? Because they agree with him on these hot-button, emotionally-charged issues. So does anyone think any part of that 35% wants any kind of deal that allows these people to stay?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Because of Gerrymandering and the Senate
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jan 2018

The majority doesn't get representation.

The majority of congress and Senate doesn't represent the majority of voters.

Farmer-Rick

(10,072 posts)
12. Because we are no longer a democracy
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:24 AM
Jan 2018

We are 100% capitalist. Capitalism was never really compatible with democracy anyway. It's much more compatible with dictatorships or totalitarian countries...just look at China.

Our economic system has superceded our political system. It was bound to happen. Politics and economics are really the same animal in many ways. Now we have uniformity across both systems.

You have very little voice about how things run at work, and you certainly got none of the profits from your labor. Now you have no voice about how things run in our government, and you certainly aren't going to get any of the huge profits from selling off the pieces. See it's all so very capitalist.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. Because they are not working for us
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jan 2018

Most people want legal cannabis but only a handful of states have it. Most people want affordable health care for all. Most people want a living wage for all. Most people want medicare/Medicaid/social security strengthened and left alone. Most people want to help feed hungry people with SNAP. Most people are for meals on wheels. Most people are against giving huge tax breaks to billionaires.

And yet we don't have that because billionaires like the Koch brothers and the Mercer's and the Walton's don't want those things and their billions speak much louder than my 5 or 10 bucks that I can spare occasionally to the democratic party and it's candidates.

All the checks and balances against rule by bank account were conveniently removed by SCOTUS some time ago and now we have rule by the biggest checkbook.

It fucking sucks and these prick greed monster rich bastards are going to bleed this country dry and kill off every social program that benefits the poor, the working class and the middle class ASAP.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
14. The 2014 Princeton-Northwestern Study has told us why polls don't matter.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:39 AM
Jan 2018

Here's the study's title: "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens"

Here's a digestible summary: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

From Martin Gilens, one of the study's authors: "... contrary to what decades of political science research might lead you to believe, ordinary citizens have virtually no influence over what their government does in the United States. And economic elites and interest groups, especially those representing business, have a substantial degree of influence. Government policy-making over the last few decades reflects the preferences of those groups — of economic elites and of organized interests..."

We are continually confused because our schooling has told us that we are a democracy, when congressional votes during four administrations shows exactly what we are.

The really scary thing, to me, is finding out what the Koch brothers want to do with their newly built power now shown through their decades of effort to establish their capitalist-libertarian network. Charles Koch has said many times that the constitutional majoritarian system of this country is broken. And of course, he has done his mighty best to make sure it stays that way, and that all governmental-institutional social supports are dismantled.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. Because GOP wants to push out Dem votes
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jan 2018

Anti-immigration goal of GOP is voter suppression, plain and simple. Listen to Limbaugh: the right thinks immigrants are Dem votes and wants those votes suppressed even if it means trashing the American Dream.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
20. Because Congress does not actually
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jan 2018

work for the American people. They bank on voters not showing up and voting then out of office.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
22. CORPORATIONS own YOU
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jan 2018

Been posting this all over the internet for the last 15 years.



"WHEN DOES THE GREED STOP?" - T. Kennedy

I always wonder when the morbidly wealthy will be satiated? And that will never happen. Their happiness depends on more for them by making less for you. Especially if it means yet more suffering for the undeserving masses. If you un wealthy you unworthy and deserve your miserable life cuz your character defects mark you as sub-human.

Funny how the strategy of the kleptocrats of the 1920's has been reborn in the descendants of the overly wealthy of many generations ago?

Trump doesn't have enough consciousness to have an end game, but his masters like the Koch's and The Putin's sure as hell do!

-90% Jimmy

Progressive dog

(6,861 posts)
23. With the help of Putin, Fox,
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jan 2018

and their friends--the GOP will continue to do things their way. The rule of law is hanging by a thread and the criminals hold scissors.

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