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Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:36 AM

Charles Pierce: "Do the editors of the NYT drink all day?"

Do the editors of the NYT op-ed page drink all day? Do they even exist? How do I know they exist? Not from the available evidence.




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Reply Charles Pierce: "Do the editors of the NYT drink all day?" (Original post)
kpete Jan 2018 OP
still_one Jan 2018 #1
mountain grammy Jan 2018 #7
dem4decades Jan 2018 #2
thesquanderer Jan 2018 #13
womanofthehills Jan 2018 #16
snowybirdie Jan 2018 #3
SFnomad Jan 2018 #9
lunasun Jan 2018 #4
brush Jan 2018 #22
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #27
dalton99a Jan 2018 #5
TNNurse Jan 2018 #6
citizen blues Jan 2018 #24
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #8
CozyMystery Jan 2018 #10
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #12
CozyMystery Jan 2018 #31
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #32
RandomAccess Jan 2018 #14
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #15
RandomAccess Jan 2018 #17
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #18
RandomAccess Jan 2018 #20
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #25
dalton99a Jan 2018 #23
Hortensis Jan 2018 #11
JHB Jan 2018 #29
Hortensis Jan 2018 #30
musette_sf Jan 2018 #19
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #21
zentrum Jan 2018 #26
mcar Jan 2018 #28

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:46 AM

1. Gee, I guess with that logic they would argue for a racist at the table talking about civil rights

The NY Times has been going down hill for sometime, ever since Judy Miller told us their were WMDs
in Iraq.

They hired a climate change denier Bret Stephens at a time when the trump administration and the republicans want to undo any gains made to curb green house gases, pollution, and exit the Paris Accords?

It was only a few months ago when the NY Times blamed the Democrats, and specifically President Obama for being responsible for pushing republicans to be climate change deniers because of the "Democratic hubris in the Obama years":

"The Republican Party’s fast journey from debating how to combat human-caused climate change to arguing that it does not exist is a story of big political money, Democratic hubris in the Obama years and a partisan chasm that grew over nine years like a crack in the Antarctic shelf, favoring extreme positions and uncompromising rhetoric over cooperation and conciliation."

They then proceeded in the article to make excuses for the republicans by saying "most republicans do not believe climate change is a hoax"

“Most Republicans still do not regard climate change as a hoax,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who worked for Senator Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign. “But the entire climate change debate has now been caught up in the broader polarization of American politics.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


In another instance they did their usual false equivalency garbage between the republicans and Democrats through a video by Mark Scheffle and Shane O'Neill telling us how both republicans and Democrats have flip-flopped on Comey. It was so out of context it is pathetic. This is what the NY Times has become.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000005090191/comey-fired-democrats-republicans.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Another example was when one of the Democrats on the FEC stepped down, the Times built the false equivalency argument that how there is deadlock because both sides won't budge. That was NOT the case at all, and was a gross distortion again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/fec-elections-ann-ravel-campaign-finance.html

In fact that report was so messed up, that the Democrat who resigned from the commission wrote a rebuttal to state the reality of the situation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/opinion/dysfunction-and-deadlock-at-the-federal-election-commission.html

They have been doing the false equivalency schtick all through 2016, and they were right out there with the rest of the media outlets with headlines implying how Comey reopened the email investigation, while hidden between the void the fact was that the email investigation was not reopened. One has to wonder if that was their attempt at sensationalism, rather then putting it in proper context

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/30/ny-times-floods-front-page-fbi-letter-stories-while-acknowledging-it-didn-t-reopen-clinton-server/214202

So the question, "Do the editors of the NY Times drink all day"?

It would appear so

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:21 AM

7. The failing New York Times

something don the con repeats over and over. He actually has this right, but, of course, for all the wrong reasons. I wonder, is the Times trying to get into the GOP's good graces with bullshit articles like this one and so many more? I read 4 articles a month for free, that's good enough for me. I refuse to subscribe.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:57 AM

2. Yeah, I'm just about to drop my subscription. It's getting to much for me.

A pro Miller oped. An attack on Hillary. And then there's the always shitty Maureen, why buy it?

I'll just continue with the Post.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:17 AM

13. Op-Eds are not positions endorsed by the paper. Sometimes, specifically to the contrary.

There are valid criticisms one can level at the Times, but publishing Op-Eds from the conservative perspective is not one of them, IMO. So I think Pierce is off on this one.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:55 AM

16. I'm thinking of dropping my online subscription

I've had it too!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:01 AM

3. Dowd's

piece today says it all! It's Hillary's fault???????

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

9. Somewhere, deep down inside, Dowd must be jealous of Clinton. Dowd has been anti-Hillary for as

 

long as I can remember. And frequently, it's just petty BS.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:10 AM

4. Immigration restrictionist? Nyt publishing on weekend of rememberance of the victims of hate

Saturday, January 27
International Holocaust Remembrance Day 2018

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Response to lunasun (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:13 PM

22. Immigration restrictionist? Why doesn't the author cut the euphemistic crap and write what Miller...

really is—an out-and-out, no secret at all, blatant racist.

And one, btw, who shouldn't be anywhere near any negotiating table on immigration policy. As a matter of fact, WTH is a 30-something, life-long bigot doing still in the WH?

He should've been shown the door when Gorka and Bannon, his fellow alt-wrong travellers, were kicked to the curb.

Where is ethnic cleansing when we need it?

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Response to brush (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:49 PM

27. I agree...what's a 30+ yr old in the WH doing in dictating immigration policy when in ...

reality, it is tRUMP that's the racist bigot, and tRUMP is dictating the extreme anti-immigration policy. S. miller is simply a convenient cover for tRUMP.

That's why tRUMP hasn't gotten rid of miller, so tRUMP has an easy escape for the racism/bigotry spewing out of the WH.

And what's worse, the congressional lackeys know it. J. Sessions knew of miller's racism and anti-immigrant stand before tRUMP, so why didn't they all do something about it? They're condoning it and have been for quite some time, as we all know.

Another disgusting chapter to the book titled ' The ruin of American democracy and freedom for all '. I know, I know, long title, but hey, I'm exercising a little editorial freedom here! Ha!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:10 AM

5. The Gray Lady is striving to be as fair and balanced as the whores at FOX News

Disgusting

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:17 AM

6. There is no justification for Stephen Miller

anywhere, anytime. He is an insult to decent people. He is a horrible human being and I am being kind calling him human.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:25 PM

24. Completely agree!

There’s a big difference between representing an opposing viewpoint and going full Nazi!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:25 AM

8. Can anybody summarize the NYT article? I have used up my free articles for the month.

It's by Ross Douthat, whom I am not a fan of. I can't think of a reason in the world why Stephen Miller would ever be necessary in ANY situation, unless it was a Nazi coup. I hope that is not what he is arguing in favor of.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:44 AM

10. I have gotten around that by removing the cookies the NYT installed on my computer.

The other way for WAPO and NYT is to use a VPN and select a server in a different country. I use BolehVPN, which I like a lot.

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Response to CozyMystery (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:11 AM

12. How do I remove cookies or use a VPN and select a server in a different country?

Sorry, I am a little technologically challenged.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:44 AM

31. If you use Firefox...

You go to options, privacy and security, look at the cookies, and delete the ones you don't want. There will be several cookies from the NYT and Wapo, and lots from trackers. I delete everything I don't want.

VPNs are Virtual Private Networks. I researched the topic and chose BolehVPN. It costs $79/year. When I turn on my computer, it automatically connects to the internet. When I activate my VPN, a menu comes up with different countries I can select. I then surf the internet anonymously.

The best site (IMO) I used for my research about VPNs is this one: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ . Lots of info on that site.

I use a VPN because I am totally, 100%, against my privacy being violated when I use the internet. I don't do anything nefarious on the net -- it is a matter of principle.

I also use Ad Blocker Plus, NoScript, Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger, Auto-Opt Out for Flash, Disable Web RTC, Disconnect for Facebook, and Duck Duck Go Privacy Essentials. These are all Firefox extensions which can be accessed from Firefox's options menu.

Duck Duck Go is a search engine that doesn't track users.

I do not have anything stored in the Cloud except for the books I buy from Amazon that I haven't deleted from their site yet. I deleted Flash Player. If I want to use it, I'll reinstall it and set it to Always Ask.

I also run Malwarebytes, CCleaner, AVG PC Tuneup, and Wise Registry Cleaner every day.

I back up my computer onto an external hard drive (WG Passport), which is basically plug-and-play. Everything I don't use frequently is on the WG and on a 65 GB flash drive, not on my computer.

I stopped using anything related to Google altogether. I searched my computer using File Explorer and removed all the Google files I found there.

I deleted my FB and Twitter accounts. I have gone back to the old ways -- email and telephone. No social media accounts for me.

I use the Windows Firewall and Windows Defender. I run the virus scan from Defender once a week.

My next project is to install Linux, and keep Microsoft out of my business as much as possible. I am technologically challenged by Linux, or that project would already be completed. I am also going to get an anonymous email account to use for everything except people I personally know. Still researching that.

I am probably gilding the lily with all these security measures ... but I don't mind that. I've recently read several books about protecting my internet identity, and it is shocking how much anyone could find out about me.

None of it is bad stuff, but it is my private business (or so I thought). Besides, I think it is fun to research and implement these safeguards.

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Response to CozyMystery (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:47 AM

32. Thank you!

I appreciate it!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:25 AM

14. Pssst -- do you by any chance use Chrome?

 

I just "discovered" that I can rightclick on the link and choose "Open link in incognito window" and sail right on in.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:37 AM

15. Ah ha! That worked beautifully!

Thanks for the helpful tip!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:58 AM

17. You bet. I've been dying to share it here.

 

But I just didn't feel right about making a thread on it, you know??

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:02 PM

18. You should! It's very helpful!

There are so many great articles that we are missing - this wasn't really a great article, but it was interesting to see what he had to say. Thanks again!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

20. Feel free if you want.

 

I just can't -- it's reducing their revenues. What would be DU's stand on that? Go ahead -- no judgment from me, I just can't personally do it.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

25. Support you on this...there are people who rely on the royalties on things for a living nt

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:15 PM

23. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:56 AM

11. Ross Douthat, of course. "Opinion" gets to range

with opinions. It's meant to do that. I check the names at the top before I read, then consider the source and wonder about the motive.

I had to read once that he imagines himself an intellectual speaking for conservatism because I haven't recognized it on my own. But IMO he can pretty much be counted on to defend authoritarians he can explain without obviously violating the image he imagines for himself.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:09 PM

29. Remember, it is spelled Douthat but its pronounced...

...”Asshat”.

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Response to JHB (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:50 PM

30. Lol. I've been pronouncing it "Doubt That!" But actually I'm usually

quite sure he's wrong in some way.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:05 PM

19. just ran over to the Times aaaaand....

it's Douthat. Which explains everything.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:09 PM

21. I understand the concept of 'presenting opposing viewpoints', and I agree, to a point.

This is beyond that point. Stephen Miller has absolutely nothing worthwhile to add to anything. What other viewpoints need to be represented at that table? That official policy regarding "illegal aliens" must contain language that includes interplanetary aliens? That Heather Heyer's murder at Charlottesville was a good thing because it brought attention to her cause? That a company can't create a good set of employee guidelines without a misogynist and a racist at the table?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:43 PM

26. Yes, you've got to

…..have the KKK in the White House or What Nationalists will feel two sad.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:57 PM

28. More RW claptrap from the "paper of record"

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