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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:44 AM Jan 2018

If Mueller had "earth-shaking" information, would he tell leaders of the House and Senate??

I would think that he would want to inform them if there was a huge development or something of national security importance?

I wonder if there aren't 3 or 4 Democrat and Republican leaders that know where this investigation is headed?

What if there is "Top Secret" information that is known only to Mueller and a few others?

What if the information shows deep "criminal" involvement?

What then?

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If Mueller had "earth-shaking" information, would he tell leaders of the House and Senate?? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2018 OP
Good questions PJMcK Jan 2018 #1
I think they may already have the information... kentuck Jan 2018 #3
I agree PJMcK Jan 2018 #22
He knows they're part of the plot; they are targets of the probe. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #2
THIS Ligyron Jan 2018 #5
What if?!?!?!?!?! greytdemocrat Jan 2018 #4
No! atreides1 Jan 2018 #6
If he hasn't informed them... kentuck Jan 2018 #8
Only if he want's it to leak- no looser lips than congresscritters r or d or I TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #7
But there has to be a political resolution, is that correct? kentuck Jan 2018 #9
When the special prosecutor has a case to make he will. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #13
Why do you think he would be " indicted and convicted in criminal court"? kentuck Jan 2018 #16
Ah no........ Historic NY Jan 2018 #10
Who does he turn his information over to? kentuck Jan 2018 #11
Yes....remember its a criminal investigation. Historic NY Jan 2018 #14
To what possible benefit? Orrex Jan 2018 #12
I think it would depend on how much longer Mueller expects investigation to go? kentuck Jan 2018 #15
Your second paragraph underscores the question Orrex Jan 2018 #19
Maybe he wants them to scurry over to the White House? kentuck Jan 2018 #20
Hmm.... Now that's an interesting thought. Orrex Jan 2018 #21
There will be trials and convictions of people around Trump before there is a referral Sophia4 Jan 2018 #30
He wouldn't, because it's not his job...his job is to investigate possible crimes and prosecute. brooklynite Jan 2018 #17
Here are the powers of the Special Counsel: kentuck Jan 2018 #18
10 years from now this whole awful mess is going to make a great movie, if we are still here. dewsgirl Jan 2018 #23
This is a grand jury investigation, which are secret marylandblue Jan 2018 #24
But the Special Counsel has the power to call before the grand jury or not? kentuck Jan 2018 #25
Even when interviewing in an office rather than at the grand jury marylandblue Jan 2018 #26
I think you are probably right about the grand jury? kentuck Jan 2018 #27
Mueller will take down the repuke leadership Abouttime Jan 2018 #28
Given his seemingly iron-clad silence and Golden Raisin Jan 2018 #29
Grassley will go down with the ship Abouttime Jan 2018 #31

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
3. I think they may already have the information...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jan 2018

..just judging from the reactions of the Republicans this week? Just an unproven observation.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
22. I agree
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:06 PM
Jan 2018

There are probably a lot of people in D.C. who know all kinds of things about Trump and his campaign.

Republicans know they have a limited amount of time before Trump becomes a lame-duck due to his legal problems. They want to get their goodies as quickly as possible.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. He knows they're part of the plot; they are targets of the probe.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jan 2018

So, no, he won't tip off the targets prematurely.

When the bombshell hits, they will be in the blast zone.

atreides1

(16,067 posts)
6. No!
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jan 2018

He is under no obligation to inform either the House or Senate leadership of any information he has or receives!

Besides, if the information shows criminal involvement, why provide a warning to some who may be a part of that criminal activity?

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
9. But there has to be a political resolution, is that correct?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:53 AM
Jan 2018

And wouldn't the House and Senate Leaders need the information gathered, in order to resolve the issue?

TexasProgresive

(12,155 posts)
13. When the special prosecutor has a case to make he will.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jan 2018

Showing his hand to the congress will just give those who want to thwart the case will use portions to discredit. It has to be iron clad or nothing. I don't know if congress will have to resolve this if hE is indicted and convicted in criminal court. It will be a slam dunk to impeach and convict. The orange menace will probably do a nIXON and resign with guarantees of pardons by pENCE.

I'm probably wrong but that is how I see it.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
16. Why do you think he would be " indicted and convicted in criminal court"?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jan 2018

Unless the crimes are extremely bad, they would probably reach some sort of political resolution, either impeachment or 25th Amendment?

Unless there is nothing there? And few expect that to be the case, not even Republicans.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
11. Who does he turn his information over to?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jan 2018

Is it Rosenstein? That would make sense.

Then Rosenstein decides what to do with the information?

What is the proper channel for the results of the investigation to go?

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
12. To what possible benefit?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jan 2018

Republicans would simply (and certainly) convey that information to Trump, it would subsequently be leaked, and we would see a media firestorm preemptively discrediting Mueller in a obvious effort to muddy the proceedings.

That will have no effect upon the veracity of Mueller's findings, but it will provide cover for Republicans who decline to act, because their rabid base will be absolutely convinced that Trump is the innocent victim of a partisan witch hunt.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
15. I think it would depend on how much longer Mueller expects investigation to go?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jan 2018

If he has almost finished his investigation, then eventually, the Leaders of the House and Senate must be informed, otherwise, how could they ever impeach?

Why would they not convey that information to Trump? Some Senators marched over to the White House and informed Richard Nixon during the Watergate crisis. Why would this be any different? Unless they are still investigating other matters?

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
19. Your second paragraph underscores the question
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jan 2018

How much lead time are you imagining? Five minutes? Twenty-four hours? I can think of no benefit in doing so.

Knowing that the dutiful GOP toadies will immediately scurry over to the White House with that information, why on Earth would Mueller provide that information in advance? How would it strengthen his case or improve efforts to expose the truth?

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
20. Maybe he wants them to scurry over to the White House?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:48 AM
Jan 2018

And let Trump know what is ahead for him?

He can then be given his options: resign from the Presidency, or recommendation to impeach, or accept the subpoena for the grand jury?

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
21. Hmm.... Now that's an interesting thought.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jan 2018

You're looking at a sort of meta-strategy, whereas I was thinking only of the straight-up revelation of findings.

In that light, maybe Mueller would go that route.


Hmm...

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
30. There will be trials and convictions of people around Trump before there is a referral
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:32 PM
Jan 2018

to the Congress, I should think.

Manafort and Gates first. It is going to take a lot of time. The focus is probably not so much on Trump himself at this time but on proving beyond reasonable doubt the cases about people who were around Trump.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
18. Here are the powers of the Special Counsel:
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jan 2018

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/robert-mueller-legal-authority-special-counsel-article-1.3736014

<snip>
1. The special counsel can file charges

Mueller has the right to convene a grand jury, issue subpoenas, interview witnesses and file criminal charges that could be presented at a federal trial. His job is similar to that of a U.S. attorney only that he’s not under the supervision of the Justice Department.
2. The counsel can obtain resources from the FBI

The FBI can provide the special counsel with the adequate resources for their investigation and have a staff consisting of lawyers. They can seek additional resources should their investigation require them.

3. The counsel has no obligation to reveal his/her findings publicly

“The special really has no obligation to speak other than through official acts meaning the return of an indictment in the trial of a case,” Richard Ben-Veniste, former Watergate Counsel, told MSNBC in May.

4. The special counsel can seek an impeachment

President Trump has called Mueller’s probe a “witch hunt” and has a certain amount of legal immunity. He has called on Mueller to treat him fairly, but the special counsel could choose to seek an indictment against the President if he finds incriminating evidence, according to CNN.

...more at article

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. This is a grand jury investigation, which are secret
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:27 PM
Jan 2018

So no, Mueller has not provided any bombshells to Congress. Most of what you have heard about the investigation has probably come from witnesses or targets who found out what Mueller has based on the questions they were asked.

In some case Mueller may have asked Congress to back off on certain witnesses or lines of inquiry to avoid compromising the investigation.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
25. But the Special Counsel has the power to call before the grand jury or not?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jan 2018

As in the planned interview, they are negotiating whether to subpoena before grand jury or to interview in a more relaxed environment, like at the White House.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
26. Even when interviewing in an office rather than at the grand jury
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:35 PM
Jan 2018

It is still information that may come before a grand jury and therefore secret. Also it is DOJ policy not to say anything about ongoing investigations, and Mueller is bound by that policy. He knows he needs to play this straight down the middle. Any real or imagined error would be used as an excuse for his dismissal.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
27. I think you are probably right about the grand jury?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jan 2018

And they would have access to whatever information Mueller may receive during any interview with Trump.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
28. Mueller will take down the repuke leadership
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jan 2018

Trump couldn’t pull off the theft of the election alone. We are looking at hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators involved at the national, state and local levels. This is by far the largest crime in our nations history.

Golden Raisin

(4,605 posts)
29. Given his seemingly iron-clad silence and
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jan 2018

no leaks policy so far I can't imagine he will reveal anything until he has all the cards in the deck. Whether there's a shocking and cataclysmic grand slam, something more moderate, or nothing will not be known until he is ready. I STILL want to know what went down in the March 15, 2017 Trump-Russia briefing when Senators Feinstein and Grassley exited grim, ashen and silent, looking like they had both seen ghosts.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
31. Grassley will go down with the ship
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:28 PM
Jan 2018

There’s nothing more I’d like to see than that evil old farmer spend the rest of his days behind bars.

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