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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Mueller had "earth-shaking" information, would he tell leaders of the House and Senate??
I would think that he would want to inform them if there was a huge development or something of national security importance?
I wonder if there aren't 3 or 4 Democrat and Republican leaders that know where this investigation is headed?
What if there is "Top Secret" information that is known only to Mueller and a few others?
What if the information shows deep "criminal" involvement?
What then?
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)What do you think, kentuck?
kentuck
(111,052 posts)..just judging from the reactions of the Republicans this week? Just an unproven observation.
There are probably a lot of people in D.C. who know all kinds of things about Trump and his campaign.
Republicans know they have a limited amount of time before Trump becomes a lame-duck due to his legal problems. They want to get their goodies as quickly as possible.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)So, no, he won't tip off the targets prematurely.
When the bombshell hits, they will be in the blast zone.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)atreides1
(16,067 posts)He is under no obligation to inform either the House or Senate leadership of any information he has or receives!
Besides, if the information shows criminal involvement, why provide a warning to some who may be a part of that criminal activity?
kentuck
(111,052 posts)...that may be the reason? You may be right?
TexasProgresive
(12,155 posts)kentuck
(111,052 posts)And wouldn't the House and Senate Leaders need the information gathered, in order to resolve the issue?
TexasProgresive
(12,155 posts)Showing his hand to the congress will just give those who want to thwart the case will use portions to discredit. It has to be iron clad or nothing. I don't know if congress will have to resolve this if hE is indicted and convicted in criminal court. It will be a slam dunk to impeach and convict. The orange menace will probably do a nIXON and resign with guarantees of pardons by pENCE.
I'm probably wrong but that is how I see it.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Unless the crimes are extremely bad, they would probably reach some sort of political resolution, either impeachment or 25th Amendment?
Unless there is nothing there? And few expect that to be the case, not even Republicans.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)kentuck
(111,052 posts)Is it Rosenstein? That would make sense.
Then Rosenstein decides what to do with the information?
What is the proper channel for the results of the investigation to go?
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)Republicans would simply (and certainly) convey that information to Trump, it would subsequently be leaked, and we would see a media firestorm preemptively discrediting Mueller in a obvious effort to muddy the proceedings.
That will have no effect upon the veracity of Mueller's findings, but it will provide cover for Republicans who decline to act, because their rabid base will be absolutely convinced that Trump is the innocent victim of a partisan witch hunt.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)If he has almost finished his investigation, then eventually, the Leaders of the House and Senate must be informed, otherwise, how could they ever impeach?
Why would they not convey that information to Trump? Some Senators marched over to the White House and informed Richard Nixon during the Watergate crisis. Why would this be any different? Unless they are still investigating other matters?
Orrex
(63,172 posts)How much lead time are you imagining? Five minutes? Twenty-four hours? I can think of no benefit in doing so.
Knowing that the dutiful GOP toadies will immediately scurry over to the White House with that information, why on Earth would Mueller provide that information in advance? How would it strengthen his case or improve efforts to expose the truth?
kentuck
(111,052 posts)And let Trump know what is ahead for him?
He can then be given his options: resign from the Presidency, or recommendation to impeach, or accept the subpoena for the grand jury?
Orrex
(63,172 posts)You're looking at a sort of meta-strategy, whereas I was thinking only of the straight-up revelation of findings.
In that light, maybe Mueller would go that route.
Hmm...
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)to the Congress, I should think.
Manafort and Gates first. It is going to take a lot of time. The focus is probably not so much on Trump himself at this time but on proving beyond reasonable doubt the cases about people who were around Trump.
brooklynite
(94,358 posts)kentuck
(111,052 posts)http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/robert-mueller-legal-authority-special-counsel-article-1.3736014
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1. The special counsel can file charges
Mueller has the right to convene a grand jury, issue subpoenas, interview witnesses and file criminal charges that could be presented at a federal trial. His job is similar to that of a U.S. attorney only that hes not under the supervision of the Justice Department.
2. The counsel can obtain resources from the FBI
The FBI can provide the special counsel with the adequate resources for their investigation and have a staff consisting of lawyers. They can seek additional resources should their investigation require them.
3. The counsel has no obligation to reveal his/her findings publicly
The special really has no obligation to speak other than through official acts meaning the return of an indictment in the trial of a case, Richard Ben-Veniste, former Watergate Counsel, told MSNBC in May.
4. The special counsel can seek an impeachment
President Trump has called Muellers probe a witch hunt and has a certain amount of legal immunity. He has called on Mueller to treat him fairly, but the special counsel could choose to seek an indictment against the President if he finds incriminating evidence, according to CNN.
...more at article
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So no, Mueller has not provided any bombshells to Congress. Most of what you have heard about the investigation has probably come from witnesses or targets who found out what Mueller has based on the questions they were asked.
In some case Mueller may have asked Congress to back off on certain witnesses or lines of inquiry to avoid compromising the investigation.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)As in the planned interview, they are negotiating whether to subpoena before grand jury or to interview in a more relaxed environment, like at the White House.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It is still information that may come before a grand jury and therefore secret. Also it is DOJ policy not to say anything about ongoing investigations, and Mueller is bound by that policy. He knows he needs to play this straight down the middle. Any real or imagined error would be used as an excuse for his dismissal.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)And they would have access to whatever information Mueller may receive during any interview with Trump.
Abouttime
(675 posts)Trump couldnt pull off the theft of the election alone. We are looking at hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators involved at the national, state and local levels. This is by far the largest crime in our nations history.
Golden Raisin
(4,605 posts)no leaks policy so far I can't imagine he will reveal anything until he has all the cards in the deck. Whether there's a shocking and cataclysmic grand slam, something more moderate, or nothing will not be known until he is ready. I STILL want to know what went down in the March 15, 2017 Trump-Russia briefing when Senators Feinstein and Grassley exited grim, ashen and silent, looking like they had both seen ghosts.
Abouttime
(675 posts)Theres nothing more Id like to see than that evil old farmer spend the rest of his days behind bars.