DACA, Wall, negotiation

[yellowwoodII]

I am reading that funding for "the wall" may be negotiated by the Democrats in return for DACA support. I'm sorry, but some things are just not negotiable, and I believe that this surrender would result in Trump's looking as though he's a more able negotiator. No Wall support!

[Ohiogal]

1. We should be pressing him

On his promise to make Mexico pay for it ... Or was that just a big lie all along?

[mitch96]

6. No Wall support!

Right O'hiGal... build the wall with Mexico's money like tRump said. Not OUR money.. Oh Yes..put Americans to work building it too....
But you know that ain't gonna happen. Mexico no pay
Hey if there is No Wall support!.... will it fall down?
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[Deuce]

7. I agree...any wall discussion should refer to Mexico paying for it.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Well, then look forward for DACA to languish at least until next year...

That is probably what will happen, anyway. The problem, for me, is wondering how much MORE we have to give up beyond the wall. But, yeah, I'd give up a few billion for a wall that probably won't happen anyway.

[handmade34]

3. I'd rather

we be the more mature ones, and know that the well being of thousands of young people is more important than running the risk of making DT look good

and... we will just tear the wall down in time

[Hortensis]

4. Yellowwood, I oppose the wall 100%, and we all hate

giving the Republicans even a small thing they can call a victory. But it's just a piece of shit metal waste of money. It's not human lives. It's a hopelessly obsolete 14th century answer instead of 21st century ones that would be an embarrassment to the GOP from the time it's erected until it's torn down. Doomed to fail and not worth the money to maintain it.

My biggest concern with it is being a really bad neighbor, but we've already insulted Mexico profoundly, not a lot more to lose with a wall, even if its primary purpose is to spit in their faces. And immigrants have always had to choose their routes. If business needed them (yes, of course), this stupidity could help boost legal immigration.

Otoh, if 680,000 young people are dumped in unstable nations with serious crime and employment problems, not all are going to do "okay." Language will be a severe problem for many. Many won't have adequate family support. Working to maintain will be the first order of business for many, and many of those will never go to, or return to college. No doubt governments will try to help a lot of them, but they'll be prime targets for criminals. Many are prime sex slave age. Some won't survive to try to return to their home nation, the U.S.A.

We're most of us distant from the scary realities facing these young people, but all our Democratic congressmen and senators have met with Dreamers from their states and districts, heard their stories and fears, held those who were crying, promised to try to help them, and for a while did just that.

And then there are all the other undocumented immigrants and other people who need to bring family in trouble over. Helping one group may harm all the others. This is all very real for those who will have to make decisions that will inevitably hurt some no matter who else they benefit.

I think for most here the biggest objection to the wall is just not wanting the Republicans to get even one "win." So, if a part of a sleazy despicable wall should turn out to be what we decide to trade for a much nobler purpose, we make it a brief sleazy win and take it out of the Republicans hides after the midterms.

Countdown to November 6, 2018: 280 days!

[struggle4progress]

5. He promised Mexico would pay. If he can't fulfill that promise, too bad for him.