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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:24 AM Jan 2018

Joe Kennedy will be delivering the official Democratic response tomorrow -- and Bernie will be

competing with him, delivering his own response AT THE SAME TIME. Instead of pointing his supporters to Kennedy's speech, he's going to try to distract them.

There are no words.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/371237-sanders-to-deliver-his-own-state-of-the-union-response


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is planning to offer his own response to President Trump's first State of the Union speech Tuesday evening.

Sanders — an independent who caucuses with Senate Democrats — will deliver his speech via social media shortly after Trump's address, according to his office.

Sanders's office didn't hint at what the Vermont lawmaker will say. But he simultaneously blasted out a note to supporters from his campaign account knocking Trump and predicting what the president won't discuss during the prime-time address.


MEET JOE KENNEDY:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/who-is-joe-kennedy-iii-state-of-the-union-democrat/index.html

Last year, Kennedy, who's currently serving his third term in the House, garnered national attention during the health care debate when he delivered an emotional speech that went viral.

During a marathon committee markup on the Republicans' Affordable Care Act repeal and replace bill, Kennedy slammed House Speaker Paul Ryan, specifically taking issue with the fellow Catholic's interpretation of scripture and label for the the measure as an "act of mercy."

Kennedy denounced the proposal to repeal and replace Obamcare as an "act of malice."

He was born and raised near Boston with his twin brother, Matthew Kennedy.

He received his law degree from Harvard Law School and his undergraduate degree from Stanford University. He also played lacrosse in college and served in the Peace Corps in the Dominican Republic for two years.

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Joe Kennedy will be delivering the official Democratic response tomorrow -- and Bernie will be (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2018 OP
But but but but . . . . . Bernie Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #1
+1000 Pachamama Jan 2018 #41
This man is going to cause us to lose another election to 45. nt jrthin Jan 2018 #61
Like Bernie, I am a septuagenarian. Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #62
Good on you. I wish there were more of you in this world: working jrthin Jan 2018 #78
And that's the way it should be. Like you, I like to hope I have some wisdom to pass along... Hekate Jan 2018 #86
Septuagenerain? You too? Who knew. trof Jan 2018 #101
Hah! Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #131
The OP has been shown she's wrong about this but continues to leave it up Arazi Jan 2018 #132
We can watch both. Demtexan Jan 2018 #2
Brains can't fully attend to two speeches at the same time. Bernie should have scheduled pnwmom Jan 2018 #5
DVR one. Demtexan Jan 2018 #9
That's fine for you. But millions of Bernie's followers might not even realize there's a Democratic pnwmom Jan 2018 #10
I understand. Demtexan Jan 2018 #12
Oh they know about Kennedy and they already hate him. The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #13
I do not understand the all or nothing attitude for Bernie. Demtexan Jan 2018 #14
It's about the hope that if things get shitty enough The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #18
I voted for Bernie in the primary. Demtexan Jan 2018 #20
It will never happen...what make these people think if things get shitty enough...we will still Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #81
He convinced a number of them that Hillary and all Democrats are corrupt. pnwmom Jan 2018 #19
I think that large majority of Sanders' voters also voted for Clinton. David__77 Jan 2018 #25
I will watch one and dvr the other. Demtexan Jan 2018 #28
I've met the Congressman and heard him speak and i lke him. CentralMass Jan 2018 #34
Wow! You have a smartphone, a TV, AND a DVR?! LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #22
No I am cheap. Demtexan Jan 2018 #29
Me too. I have internet only, Magic Jack for phone, and Netflix. No TV. LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #31
I do not miss the cable bill. Demtexan Jan 2018 #33
Why so nasty? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jan 2018 #60
Sen. Sanders should not do this. It is a distraction. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #80
I hope we are a lot smarter this time 4now Jan 2018 #3
Sigh. LisaM Jan 2018 #4
Hm, I thought Bernie was going to trample on Maxine Waters' response on BET, KitSileya Jan 2018 #6
He didn't have to trample on either one. His followers would have been just has happy pnwmom Jan 2018 #8
I agree. I will watch his response as well as Kennedy's. The Wielding Truth Jan 2018 #90
He is going on Facebook at 10:45. phleshdef Jan 2018 #94
Divisiveness will get him nowhere. Cha Jan 2018 #44
Yes, it does show what his priorities are. R B Garr Jan 2018 #63
Is Maxine's response bdamomma Jan 2018 #117
... skylucy Jan 2018 #7
bernie is not a democrat. why should he care about competing with democrats? nt msongs Jan 2018 #11
He's doing what a spoiler would do. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #17
Massive out of control ego. democratisphere Jan 2018 #39
Bernie.....back off... chillfactor Jan 2018 #15
I am getting really sick of Bernie's shit. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #75
Can't wait to hear Joe KennedyIII and Maxine... Cha Jan 2018 #16
More interested in what Maxine Waters has to say... but, of course, will listen to both. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #125
I will be watching Joe Kennedy. VOX Jan 2018 #21
meanwhile wingnut media dominates the airwaves -Fux, Limburger, Hannity, etc. diva77 Jan 2018 #23
I think you make a good point! David__77 Jan 2018 #27
+1 leftstreet Jan 2018 #32
Maxine is going after Joe -- she's not trying to distract from him. Dividing progressives pnwmom Jan 2018 #35
Fux and all the wingnut media will be dominating airwaves with lies, deception, distraction diva77 Jan 2018 #38
Why couldn't Bernie have given his speech to compete with TRUMP's address, instead of the Democrats? pnwmom Jan 2018 #40
Why can't you come back to this thread and admit your entire premise in the OP is wrong? phleshdef Jan 2018 #120
I can only see info that her response on BET is immediately after Trump. I plan on switching back Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #65
Thanks For posting bdamomma Jan 2018 #121
Imagine if 100 Democrats and progressives ALL responded at once! VOX Jan 2018 #42
Yes, the more the merrier!! Need to pile on the Traitor-in-Chief and drown out his nonsense. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #82
+1! KPN Jan 2018 #83
Bernie Sanders of the Bernie Sanders Party will be giving a Bernie Sanders speech about LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #24
LOL, that is very well said. R B Garr Jan 2018 #64
Wow. Though somehow I am not surprised. Tipperary Jan 2018 #26
I will LISTEN to both Bernie's & Joe's response. I hope they will TALK to ALL of us Dems! JoeOtterbein Jan 2018 #30
Most people won't. Bernie will distract some people from watching the Democrat give the party's pnwmom Jan 2018 #37
This doesn't surprise me at all lunamagica Jan 2018 #36
This isn't 1982 Kentonio Jan 2018 #43
He could have gotten just as much attention by giving his speech at the same time as TRUMP, pnwmom Jan 2018 #46
Or maybe you're taking something small and irrelevant Kentonio Jan 2018 #49
Considering that the OP isn't remotely correct and Bernie is speaking after Kennedy... phleshdef Jan 2018 #118
Your cogent point degenerating into unsupported editorial. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #54
Maxine Waters is also delivering her own response on BET oberliner Jan 2018 #45
Yeah, after Joe Kennedy's. Why didn't Bernie schedule himself opposite Trump? pnwmom Jan 2018 #47
He did the same thing last year oberliner Jan 2018 #48
Creative movement of your goalposts. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #55
I don't understand this response oberliner Jan 2018 #127
What Maxine is doing is like apples and cantaloupes, not the same AT ALL what Bernie is doing Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #67
And now we know for a fact that Bernie isn't doing that. So I'll expect all of you to have the... phleshdef Jan 2018 #106
Yes, after Joe Kennedy's Cha Jan 2018 #50
Oh - what time will that be? All I can find is that she is scheduled at 10 PM on BET. So what time Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #69
Bernie is scheduled at 10:45, AFTER Maxine at 10. phleshdef Jan 2018 #89
I suspect... Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #51
I'm going to watch the OFFICIAL Democratic response from Rep Joe Kennedy underthematrix Jan 2018 #52
I'll be watching Kennedy. ananda Jan 2018 #53
Bernie Sanders "votes with us more than 75% of the time!!" vi5 Jan 2018 #56
I don't expect anything more from him. nt NCTraveler Jan 2018 #57
What the hell? pandr32 Jan 2018 #58
I wish he wasn't against medical marijuana eleny Jan 2018 #59
Old eggs, sour milk or limp lettuce BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #68
I'll be watching all of the ones scheduled - all targeting different audiences. I think it's Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #70
Joe, Maxine, and Bernie are NOT targeting different audiences. They're all targeting pnwmom Jan 2018 #87
Um you can be a progressive and a senior. Or a progressive and a young person. Or a Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #93
Why do you assume that Kennedy and Sanders aren't targeting many of the same people? pnwmom Jan 2018 #104
Why did you assume that Bernie was trampling on Kennedy's speech before knowing the facts? phleshdef Jan 2018 #107
You win. Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #135
At the same time? mcar Jan 2018 #71
Just more divisiveness.. so Cha Jan 2018 #72
And I see people smearing JKIII already mcar Jan 2018 #74
Id rather watch Bernie aidbo Jan 2018 #73
+1 I dont understand the outrage. I'll watch Kennedy too Arazi Jan 2018 #84
It's obvious divisiveness. Cha Jan 2018 #76
Where are you seeing that his response is at the same time? sl8 Jan 2018 #77
Whats that ? Crickets ? KTM Jan 2018 #96
I wonder it the OP will make a correction melman Jan 2018 #112
Hahahaha -suuuuure. KTM Jan 2018 #130
Unbelievable to me. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #79
Why are you making a positive into a KPN Jan 2018 #85
Bernie scheduled his response at 10:45 tonight on Facebook. Do you know for a fact this will... phleshdef Jan 2018 #88
No one is fucking jealous.. good gawd.. all you have are Cha Jan 2018 #91
Wow, must have struck a nerve. phleshdef Jan 2018 #92
Why? 'Cause I called on your accusation that anyone could be jealous of the divisiveness? Cha Jan 2018 #95
You didn't call out anything. But I am going to call you out now. You ready? phleshdef Jan 2018 #97
Nah.. you're not calling out anything. Cha Jan 2018 #98
I see. So you aren't big enough to admit that you were wrong. phleshdef Jan 2018 #102
You're not "big enough to admit" what you said Cha Jan 2018 #103
I don't believe what I said was wrong. A lot of people here are jealous of Bernie's popularity. phleshdef Jan 2018 #105
No one is jealous of BS' "popularity". Cha Jan 2018 #116
Thats my opinion and you can't change it. phleshdef Jan 2018 #119
Excellent post melman Jan 2018 #108
What divisiveness ?? KTM Jan 2018 #99
Yeah, I did. Cha Jan 2018 #100
You did.... imagine a non-existent issue, you mean. KTM Jan 2018 #109
A GREAT idea GaryCnf Jan 2018 #110
I was listening to the talking heads on cnn today Beantighe Jan 2018 #111
Chuck Todd on MSNBC was pushing that, too. R B Garr Jan 2018 #123
And I agree with that. We need ONE message, not several. MariaCSR Jan 2018 #146
Bernie bot pamdb Jan 2018 #113
I will be watching Congressman Kennedy Gothmog Jan 2018 #115
Im going with the HOT redhead!! tavernier Jan 2018 #122
Are you going to admit your were wrong? melman Jan 2018 #124
What's the point of this? democrank Jan 2018 #126
Then there's two things I won't be watching tonight. YAY! n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #128
Good. The more against Trump the better. jalan48 Jan 2018 #129
Maybe he is going to release his tax returns GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #133
Why should he? Glamrock Jan 2018 #134
Ane Waters and perhaps more. Divided we stand (nt) question everything Jan 2018 #136
This thread should get interesting in a couple of hours. bullwinkle428 Jan 2018 #137
When are you going to admit you were wrong? melman Jan 2018 #138
I wasn't. I looked at Bernie's FB page and he said "someone" needed to respond pnwmom Jan 2018 #139
You absolutely were melman Jan 2018 #140
What did he do to encourage his followers to watch Joe Kennedy's response? pnwmom Jan 2018 #141
Blah blah melman Jan 2018 #142
Yeah, right. Whatever you say. pnwmom Jan 2018 #143
Whatever melman Jan 2018 #144
i did not listen to it. In a vote between Mr. Kennedy and Sanders .... I'D VOTE KENNEDY trueblue2007 Jan 2018 #145
Bernie is the reason we're going to have 4 more years of Trump. MariaCSR Jan 2018 #147

Stinky The Clown

(67,786 posts)
1. But but but but . . . . . Bernie
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:28 AM
Jan 2018

I have to say, with not a little sadness, that Bernie is beyond his Sell By date.

Stinky The Clown

(67,786 posts)
62. Like Bernie, I am a septuagenarian.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jan 2018

Unlike Bernie, I see my job to push those younger than more to the fore. I see my job as support. I cofounded a company twenty five years ago this coming May. I continue to work in it as hard as I ever have. But my job is VERY different. It is promoting those who work for us. I work to groom them to own the company. I work to promote them in any way I can. I work to give them whatever benefit if my experience I am able.

I will have succeeded if THEY succeed. I am too old for it to be about me anymore. It is about them.

I guess I am different from Bernie.

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
78. Good on you. I wish there were more of you in this world: working
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jan 2018

for the good in a selfless way, and you thrive.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
86. And that's the way it should be. Like you, I like to hope I have some wisdom to pass along...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jan 2018

Bernie could -- but does not -- take that stance. He is not generous. He still wants the spotlight, at the expense of the youngsters he could be mentoring.

That is sad, actually.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
132. The OP has been shown she's wrong about this but continues to leave it up
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jan 2018

Bernie is speaking after Kennedy AND Maxine Waters.

Everyone hating on Bernie on this thread could apologize and self delete instead of perpetuating the lies and divisiveness.

FWIW, more voices rebutting Trump, hitting every possible demographic, seems like a great idea to me

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
5. Brains can't fully attend to two speeches at the same time. Bernie should have scheduled
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:32 AM
Jan 2018

his for a different time -- not as a distraction. The Democrats had already announced Joe's speech before Bernie announced his.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
9. DVR one.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:37 AM
Jan 2018

I am on my smartphone on DU also watching something on youtube.
I have two screens on my phone.

Plus watching tv.

I learned multi-tasking in the Army.


pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
10. That's fine for you. But millions of Bernie's followers might not even realize there's a Democratic
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:39 AM
Jan 2018

response -- he should be spreading news about that. Instead, he wants the eyes on him.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
12. I understand.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jan 2018

One could have been after the other.

I voted for Bernie in the primary but Hillary in Nov.

I work nights so I watch most everything on dvr or youtube.

I think there will be a third person speaking.


 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
13. Oh they know about Kennedy and they already hate him.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:54 AM
Jan 2018

Apparently he is owned by big pharma and yadda yadda yadda. It's really bad out there, I don't understand nihilists but that's what I'm seeing with the Bernie believers.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
14. I do not understand the all or nothing attitude for Bernie.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:01 AM
Jan 2018

He would have been a very powerful senator with President Clinton in office.

I tried to tell people about this but it was Bernie or nothing. Now we have nothing.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
18. It's about the hope that if things get shitty enough
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:22 AM
Jan 2018

It will drive the public to socialism. That's the bottom line. Keep electing monsters until the whole fucking thing collapses and then the DSA takes over and we all get universal health care.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
20. I voted for Bernie in the primary.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:38 AM
Jan 2018

I liked what he said.

This was not a normal election.

We had crazy person running for president.

Look at what he is doing.

Sometimes you do not get everything you want.

You get some of what you want then more later.

We have Putin running the government now.

Bernie would have been one powerful senator and we would have got what we wanted.

We did not need him as president to get it.

I want single payer and all the other programs to.

We are not going to get now with this president.



Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
81. It will never happen...what make these people think if things get shitty enough...we will still
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:30 PM
Jan 2018

have a choice?

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
19. He convinced a number of them that Hillary and all Democrats are corrupt.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:23 AM
Jan 2018

So they won't ever consider supporting a Democrat now. They'd rather live with Trump for 8 years. Or die with him.

David__77

(23,367 posts)
25. I think that large majority of Sanders' voters also voted for Clinton.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:48 AM
Jan 2018

I did. I would have preferred that Sanders won the primary. And I would have preferred that Clinton won the general election against Trump. I see no problem with Sanders responding to Trump's speech. I see nothing wrong with others responding as well, such as Maxine Waters.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
28. I will watch one and dvr the other.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:56 AM
Jan 2018

I am just pissed off that Hillary is not giving the speech.

She really did win the election.

None of this crap had happen.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
34. I've met the Congressman and heard him speak and i lke him.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:36 AM
Jan 2018

I also like Bernie and voted for him in the 2016 primary..

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
29. No I am cheap.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:00 AM
Jan 2018

No internet or cable.

Just free tv and good smart phone with unlimited everything plan for $60 a month.

Youtube has a lot news programs.

And Hulu.

And airbox dvr.



Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
33. I do not miss the cable bill.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:30 AM
Jan 2018

I rather have a good smartphone and a laptop.

The cable bill was just to high.


My plan is high speed all the way 4g all month.

I am happy.

Extra money in my pocket.

Response to Demtexan (Reply #9)

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
6. Hm, I thought Bernie was going to trample on Maxine Waters' response on BET,
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:32 AM
Jan 2018

not on the official Democratic response. She's scheduled to speak after Kennedy. I figured it was the typical tone deafness he's shown towards Black Democrats (our party base), but doing his response at the same time as the official Democratic response really illustrates how he does not align himself with the Democratic Party officially as well as unofficially.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
8. He didn't have to trample on either one. His followers would have been just has happy
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:33 AM
Jan 2018

to hear him Wednesday night, or any other time.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
94. He is going on Facebook at 10:45.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018

Do you have proof that he is trampling on anyone based on that time?

diva77

(7,639 posts)
23. meanwhile wingnut media dominates the airwaves -Fux, Limburger, Hannity, etc.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:47 AM
Jan 2018

I think it's great that Maxine, Joe, and Bernie are responding. I'd be thrilled if even more Dems were to deliver responses and garner more media coverage.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
35. Maxine is going after Joe -- she's not trying to distract from him. Dividing progressives
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:42 AM
Jan 2018

isn't helpful.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
38. Fux and all the wingnut media will be dominating airwaves with lies, deception, distraction
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 04:15 AM
Jan 2018

I welcome all responses from Dems and Progressives, including Bernie. I wish every cable channel and radio station would feature such responses.

I am done with this exchange.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
40. Why couldn't Bernie have given his speech to compete with TRUMP's address, instead of the Democrats?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:35 AM
Jan 2018

Nanjeanne

(4,935 posts)
65. I can only see info that her response on BET is immediately after Trump. I plan on switching back
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018

and forth between all responses . . . but wondering where you found out that her response is coming on BET after Kennedy's. What time would that be?

This is all I could find . . . "To see what Waters has to say about Trump's first State of the Union, you can tune into BET at 10 p.m. ET on Tuesday. She'll be up first on their show, so don't wait." [link:https://www.bustle.com/p/how-to-watch-maxine-waters-state-of-the-union-response-because-its-going-to-be-fire-8038961|

VOX

(22,976 posts)
42. Imagine if 100 Democrats and progressives ALL responded at once!
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:06 AM
Jan 2018

It would be SO memorable. Sample:

“Millionaires Trump healthcare hot lunch free college Putin Republicans one percent firearms oligarchy vote cowardly Donald unified science Trump fair food stamps debt unchecked Trump election dangerous parklands fair stop media majority people Trump Democratic economy intimidation party alternative Brexit messaging behind emails action forefront Donald freedom regulation balances Trump etc.”

KPN

(15,642 posts)
83. +1!
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jan 2018

I agree. Rs have done exactly this in the past to saturate the air and internet waves in order to reach ALL of their potential supporters in getting out their counter to the SOTU. I didn't here Rs bellowing and crying about that then.

Strikes me as more of the "establishment" think: get in line, keep your mouth closed.

Geesh! How to turn a positive into a negative.

LuvLoogie

(6,975 posts)
24. Bernie Sanders of the Bernie Sanders Party will be giving a Bernie Sanders speech about
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:48 AM
Jan 2018

what Bernie Sanders thinks people who aren't Bernie Sanders should be thinking.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
30. I will LISTEN to both Bernie's & Joe's response. I hope they will TALK to ALL of us Dems!
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:08 AM
Jan 2018

INSTEAD of even wasting our time responding to stupid GOP stuff, I hope we LISTEN to the needs of our own combined DU human strength as well as weakness, I hope we HEAR everyone who CAREs everywhere!

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
37. Most people won't. Bernie will distract some people from watching the Democrat give the party's
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 04:13 AM
Jan 2018

official response.

I don't know why he couldn't have scheduled his speech not to conflict with Joe's.

WHY DIDN'T HE SCHEDULE IT OPPOSITE TRUMP?

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
43. This isn't 1982
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:15 AM
Jan 2018

People will see both if they want to. Most people don't watch things live these days anyway. This is just another bash Bernie thread (just like the last thousand).

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
46. He could have gotten just as much attention by giving his speech at the same time as TRUMP,
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:30 AM
Jan 2018

instead of trying to divert people away from the Democrats' speeches.

But he wants to compete with Joe Kennedy and Maxine Waters more than he does Donald Trump.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
49. Or maybe you're taking something small and irrelevant
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 07:29 AM
Jan 2018

And turning it into another stick to bash Bernie with?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
118. Considering that the OP isn't remotely correct and Bernie is speaking after Kennedy...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:26 PM
Jan 2018

...thats pretty much the only thing I can assume. They certainly are being completely tight lipped about the fact that they've been proven wrong.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. Your cogent point degenerating into unsupported editorial.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:22 PM
Jan 2018

Your cogent point degenerating into unsupported editorial.

Natch.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
47. Yeah, after Joe Kennedy's. Why didn't Bernie schedule himself opposite Trump?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:31 AM
Jan 2018

Instead, he's putting himself opposite the Democrats and reducing their audience.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
127. I don't understand this response
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jan 2018

Just saying he did the same thing last year, and that the reason might be because he does not consider himself a Democrat.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
67. What Maxine is doing is like apples and cantaloupes, not the same AT ALL what Bernie is doing
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jan 2018

If only we could discuss WHY he does this stuff

Thank YOU for the thread, by the way.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
106. And now we know for a fact that Bernie isn't doing that. So I'll expect all of you to have the...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:15 PM
Jan 2018

...integrity to admit that you jumped the gun. Admit you were wrong and move one. Thats best for everyone.

Nanjeanne

(4,935 posts)
66. Oh - what time will that be? All I can find is that she is scheduled at 10 PM on BET. So what time
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

will she be giving her address? Thanks.

Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #66)

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
51. I suspect...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

...he will be running as a third party candidate in 2020. Hopefully, we have someone who can defeat both Pence & Bernie because I don't think Bernie can win... the US will want the opposite of DT: a young, progressive establishment, likely female Democrat.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
52. I'm going to watch the OFFICIAL Democratic response from Rep Joe Kennedy
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

No shade to anyone who plans to watch Bernie or Maxine live. I'll watch Maxine later in the evening.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
56. Bernie Sanders "votes with us more than 75% of the time!!"
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jan 2018

"He caucuses with the Democratic party which means Majority leader Schumer!!"
"He voted to save Obamacare!!"
"He will be approving a Democratic president's supreme court picks!"

I'm told those are important things that demand that we be nice to certain folks. Is that not true in this case? Asking for a friend.

pandr32

(11,574 posts)
58. What the hell?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jan 2018

This makes me angry. Democrats have picked who will issue the rebuttal. I suppose we should forget this when Sanders conveniently registers as a Democrat to run in 2020.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
59. I wish he wasn't against medical marijuana
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

And I wish he wasn't so wishy washy about single payer health care. He doesn't appear to support either from statements of his that I've read. Too much cash from big pharma, I think.

A few weeks ago I was looking forward to Kennedy's address. After researching him - now not so much. I'm tired of falling into line and then being disappointed over serious issues.

So I'm going to just give it all a pass tonight. I'll do some of my volunteer sewing. It's a better way for me to spend my time. At least I'll have something to show for it besides getting my blood pressure up.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
68. Old eggs, sour milk or limp lettuce
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jan 2018

...even on sale they are no longer worth the time to look it over. I'm listening to Kennedy and moving beyond expiration dates.

Nanjeanne

(4,935 posts)
70. I'll be watching all of the ones scheduled - all targeting different audiences. I think it's
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:04 PM
Jan 2018

fabulous to have that many voices giving rebuttals reaching out to so many people. The one's I know of so far are:

Joseph Kennedy - will be on all the channels right after Trump

Maxine Waters - on BET - joining “Angela Rye’s State of the Union.” Only info I can find online is that she is joining BET programming at 10 PM Eastern. I see here that she is speaking after Kennedy - but can't find anything about that online so no idea what time that's scheduled. So I plan on tuning to BET at 10 . . . just in case people at DU are wrong.

Bernie Sanders - on Facebook [link:https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/|

Former Maryland congresswoman and candidate in the Prince George’s County executive race, Donna F. Edwards will speak on behalf of the Working Families Party after Sanders. Still trying to find out how to watch this.

Virginia Del. Elizabeth Guzman will give the Democrats’ official Spanish-language response. It will air tonight following the president’s address on Univision, Telemundo, and CNN en Espanol.

As Donna Edwards said herself:

Many audiences, multiple platforms, reaching people no matter where they are. Same message, different voices, all calling out this President and his dangerous, destructive, and divisive agenda. More power to progressive voices mobilizing for the fight ahead.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
87. Joe, Maxine, and Bernie are NOT targeting different audiences. They're all targeting
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

progressives.

Nanjeanne

(4,935 posts)
93. Um you can be a progressive and a senior. Or a progressive and a young person. Or a
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 07:59 PM
Jan 2018

minority. There will be people who watch regular tv and see only Kennedy. There will be young people who prefer Facebook and don’t even own a tv. There are people who will already be watching BET over MSNBC and watch Maxine and not Kennedy or Sanders.

Not sure if you are intentionally obtuse or I simply wasn’t clear enough for you but among progressives there are still different audiences. Not a controversial statement. But then again ...

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
104. Why do you assume that Kennedy and Sanders aren't targeting many of the same people?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:13 PM
Jan 2018

Of course they are. Kennedy and Sanders have both been speaking out for the working class, and Kennedy's speech will be held at a Vocational Technical school in a working class town.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
107. Why did you assume that Bernie was trampling on Kennedy's speech before knowing the facts?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:16 PM
Jan 2018

Will you ever admit that you were wrong and this OP was pointless?

Cha

(297,099 posts)
72. Just more divisiveness.. so
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

not even a little bit surprised.

I would have been surprised if he had his response at a time not to step on Joe Kennedy's rebuttal for the Dems.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
84. +1 I dont understand the outrage. I'll watch Kennedy too
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:37 PM
Jan 2018

Bernie haters look for anything to slam him. It's nuts. Most of us can multi-task here

sl8

(13,720 posts)
77. Where are you seeing that his response is at the same time?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jan 2018

I don't see any time specified at the link you provided.

From https://qz.com/1192720/trump-state-of-the-union-2018-how-to-watch-the-response-videos/

Kennedy's response will be immediately following Trump's speech, "Like the State of the Union, the official Democratic response will be broadcast on all the major US news networks, including ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, PBS, C-SPAN, Univision, Telemundo, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News. You can also watch live online via Twitter, PBS, and C-SPAN."

Sanders tweeted that his response would start, on Youtube, at 10:45 pm Eastern. I think it may be on Facebook, as well.






It looks like Waters is scheduled to respond at 10:00 pm on BET. Presumably, her response won't start until Trump finishes, although, she's said that she won't be watching Trump, so maybe not.

Edwards is scheduled to give her response at 11:00 pm Eastern, on Facebook.


On edit:
Quartz corrected their article, now saying, "Waters will deliver her rebuttal to Trump’s State of the Union address on Angela Rye’s State of the Union on BET on Wednesday, Jan 31 at 10 pm."




 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
96. Whats that ? Crickets ?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jan 2018

Sadly, thats not suprising here.

Here's some more info missing from this thread:

Others on the left will likely tune into the unofficial response given by 2016 hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT., which will air after Kennedy’s speech on his social media channels.


As if the Kennedy, Guzman and Sanders responses aren’t enough, former Democratic Maryland Rep. Donna Edwards will also speak on behalf of the Working Families Party. Edwards said in a tweet Monday that she wasn’t trying to create a rift on the left.

The different Democratic responses have the “same message, different voices, all calling out this President and his dangerous, destructive, and divisive agenda. More power to progressive voices mobilizing for the fight ahead,” Edwards said.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/1-state-of-the-union-5-democratic-responses
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
112. I wonder it the OP will make a correction
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jan 2018

Of course I don't really wonder at all. I know they won't.


 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
130. Hahahaha -suuuuure.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jan 2018

This thread is now scheduled for demolition, will fall off the boards and disappear, pay no attention, nothing to see here, move along...

Your next 2 Minute Hate will be broadcast at its regularly scheduled time.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
79. Unbelievable to me.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:28 PM
Jan 2018

Time to consider whether Sen. Sanders should be considered a Democrat on this site.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
85. Why are you making a positive into a
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jan 2018

negative? Did it occur to you that more might actually be better? Did it occur to you that they will be presenting complimentary rather than contradictory or opposing messages? Did it occur to you that some voters may pay attention only because of Bernie?

Why are you dividing?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
88. Bernie scheduled his response at 10:45 tonight on Facebook. Do you know for a fact this will...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jan 2018

...coincide with Joe Kennedy or is this just more the same old jumping the gun to whine about Bernie because of deep seeded jealousy toward the huge following he has?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
97. You didn't call out anything. But I am going to call you out now. You ready?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jan 2018

You spent this entire thread jumping right in, trashing Bernie, taking it as gospel that he is trampling on Joe Kennedy's response. Now we know Bernie isn't going live on FB/Youtube until 10:45. Given that Trump should be done by 10 and Joe K. will likely be done before 10:45, are you going to retract all the embarrassing posts in this thread where you went right along with the anti-Bernie lemming mentality and admit that you spoke before knowing the facts or are going to conveniently pretend like none of that happened and cower away from this thread, never acknowledging that you were wrong?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
102. I see. So you aren't big enough to admit that you were wrong.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jan 2018

Consider yourself called out for it. And it is called out, whether you like it or not. Everyone here can see it. You can't hide from it.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
105. I don't believe what I said was wrong. A lot of people here are jealous of Bernie's popularity.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jan 2018

But thats neither here nor there, thats just my opinion. Opinions are soft.

You were most certainly wrong about the timing of the SOTU responses and you didn't even bother to check the facts before opening your mouth though. That much is based on hard fact not opinion.

You can say whatever you want to say in response. I don't care. You've lost the argument and there is nothing you can do or say about it.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
119. Thats my opinion and you can't change it.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:27 PM
Jan 2018

Nor can you change the fact that you were wrong about Bernie speaking at the same time as Kennedy. Live with it.

MAHALOATCHALATA!

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
99. What divisiveness ??
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jan 2018

You mean that SOTU response, scheduled at 10:45PM, after both Kennedy and Waters ? That?

I dont think you called anyone out on anything here... you are just misinformed and raging about an imagined slight that doesnt exist.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
109. You did.... imagine a non-existent issue, you mean.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:18 PM
Jan 2018

Let's scroll up... "I would have been surprised if he had his response at a time not to step on Joe Kennedy's rebuttal for the Dems."

So, say you're suprised, admit that it clearly isn't "obvious divisiveness," and own your mistake and your misdirected anger.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
110. A GREAT idea
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jan 2018

Two speakers, attracting voters from different parts our political alliance, as much as doubling the size of the anti-Trump audience.

Beantighe

(126 posts)
111. I was listening to the talking heads on cnn today
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jan 2018

and they are already spinning the multiple responses as being basically, "Democrats can't even unify enough to support one response."

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
113. Bernie bot
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jan 2018

I like Bernie, voted for him in the Michigan Primary. Then Hillary in the general.
That said, Bernie needs to just go away.

Would like to see Biden and Kamala Harris

Biden and Amy klobuchar

Is Biden a couple of years younger than trump?

tavernier

(12,375 posts)
122. Im going with the HOT redhead!!
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:31 PM
Jan 2018

That old prune with the bloated ego can stand in line.

And I’m older than Bernie, so don’t even try the age discrimination stuff.

democrank

(11,092 posts)
126. What's the point of this?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:46 PM
Jan 2018

Bernie Sanders and Joe Kennedy are on the same side when it comes to Trump. They both oppose him. I couldn't care less if there were 100 people responding to Trump's bullshit. The more the merrier.

Are people going to be called out because they don't choose to view the "right" SOTU response? Good grief, will this divisiveness never end?

Glamrock

(11,794 posts)
134. Why should he?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 10:00 PM
Jan 2018

As it's been said here ad nauseum, he's not a Democrat. He's only an independent who votes with the Democrats 90% of the time. He's free to do as he wishes.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
139. I wasn't. I looked at Bernie's FB page and he said "someone" needed to respond
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:48 AM
Jan 2018

to Trump, as if he was the only one doing it.

And his speech was same old, same old stuff. Most of us could have written it for him, we've heard it so often.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
141. What did he do to encourage his followers to watch Joe Kennedy's response?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 02:16 AM
Jan 2018

Nothing. He simply said that "someone" had to give a response -- as if no one else was -- and here was his.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
144. Whatever
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:15 AM
Jan 2018

I really don't need you to agree. The facts are the facts either way. And the fact is you were wrong and you won't admit it.

trueblue2007

(17,203 posts)
145. i did not listen to it. In a vote between Mr. Kennedy and Sanders .... I'D VOTE KENNEDY
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:18 AM
Jan 2018

I ALWAYS VOTE DEMOCRAT.
I was overwhelmed by Kennedy's passion and his articulate message.

 

MariaCSR

(642 posts)
147. Bernie is the reason we're going to have 4 more years of Trump.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:34 AM
Jan 2018

His sense of timing couldn't be worse.

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