You do remember when Nunes got into trouble with the other scams he tried to pull

[deminks]

Obama 'surveilled' Trump in March (wiretap)

https://thinkprogress.org/nunes-trump-surveillance-obama-f170ad83e0e2/


The unmasking 'scandal' in June

https://thinkprogress.org/nunes-trump-unmasking-susan-rice-russia-ddf6aa80caf3/



and now the fake memo.

He was supposed to recuse himself after the first one and didn't.

Zero credibility. Zero.

[MariaCSR]

1. I don't think it will matter.

The M$M and the Reich wing's base will eat it up.

In this business, perception is truth.

[Cosmocat]

3. Yep

Its pretty simple:

45 refuses to implement bipartisan russian sanctions.
The House is operating as a political arm of the White House in covering up 45's treason.

But, David Gregory on CNN this morning - We have to remember that there are a lot of people out there who think that Trump is just getting bad treatment.

[Vinca]

2. After hearing the gist of the memo, I don't see how Nunes comes out of this looking like anything

more than an idiot or a Russian asset. It all centers around Carter Page and the renewal of the FISA warrant to keep him under surveillance. Page has been watched since 2006 and was actively cultivated as a Russian asset. I think this was the time Russian agents were caught saying Page was too stupid to be a spy, but he still passed stuff to them so he was watched. Every 90 days the warrant has been renewed with a FISA judge. The last renewal, which was approved by Rosenstein, apparently referenced something in the dossier. That gave Nunes an opening for a giant conspiracy theory, despite the fact Page has been watched for a decade. The whole thing is smelling treasonous.

[Cosmocat]

4. To us, yeah, to the other 2/3s of the country

That have been skull fucked brainless by republicans/conservative media/the liberal media, they will believe at best there is some nefarious activity "by both sides."

We are fucked, and three hail marys and two point conversions from just tying the game up.

[lagomorph777]

18. 1/3 of the country is Despicable Disposable Deplorables.

The rest of us are still capable of processing reality.

[trueblue2007]

5. nunes is an evil man

[lastlib]

6. calling him a "man" does a disservice to us men......

he's just an evil little pile of worm-shit.

[dchill]

7. He's a Kompromized idiot.

[DURHAM D]

8. I think Nunes and Paul Ryan are in a relationship. nt

[Honeycombe8]

9. Democracy is gone. We are officially under Russian and puppet rule. Sold for money.

We are under a dictatorship. He didn't use a military coup (altho he's working on that...make no mistake). He used money and greed. And it worked.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. He used money and greed

To bring down the biggest, nastiest, capitalst country in the world.

We use to be proud of our Constitution and democracy, now we are only proud of how much money people have and use. Capitalism has taken over our democracy. Putin was just using the built in capitalist tools to bring down the remains of our democracy.

We should have promoted democracy over capitalism.

[Honeycombe8]

14. Too true. I believe in capitalism.

You work hard, make a life, and you reap the benefits of that work. You buy something, and sell it at a profit...you reap the benefits. With social programs as a safety net, it works pretty well.

But our country has been taken over by an oligarchy. Our country now seems to be primarily if not solely about money and greed. Gone is the idea that if you work hard, you get ahead. Now it's if you don't work hard, you're a deadbeat, and even if you work hard but don't make much money, you're a deadbeat. If you can't afford medical care, you're a deadbeat. If you're rich but don't work, just inherited your wealth, you are the American Dream. Policies and laws are written for the wealthy, for the corporations (it'll trickle down to the peons!).

[Farmer-Rick]

15. You know what you described about working hard and getting ahead is Not capitalism.

Capitalism is merely using money to make more money. Making a profit, selling your product for more than you spent on it is NOT capitalism. Borrowing someone else's capital, a loan, to start a business is Not capitalism.

Buying stocks is capitalism. The person who lends you money is using capitalism. Good old fashion markets are usually mixed in with capitalism because by itself, capitalism only helps those born with capital. Because if you are not born with capital, like 99% of people, you have to make capital through your labor or borrow it from ....those born with capital.

Most societies are NOT 100% capitalism or 100% old fashion markets, or 100% communism, or 100% socialism, or 100% feudalism. Most human societies mixed the different types of economics together. Capitalism worked with both slavery and feudalism. Where capitalism doesn't seem to work well is with democracy. Capitalism consolidates wealth and power into a few people who were lucky enough to be born into wealth and capital. Yes, a few people have been able to amass huge fortunes on their own but that is very rare. Consolidating power into just a few lucky heirs is the antipathy to democracy.

[Honeycombe8]

16. "Capitalism" encompasses being rewarded for one's work....

for making a profit by being in business.

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

YOU decide YOUR job and YOU take home the MONEY that YOU earned. YOU can change jobs and make MORE money. YOU can open YOUR business and take home the profit as YOURS. You you you....capitalism. Not "the state" "the state" "the state." The citizens and its entities make the profit, rather than the state. You are free to work anywhere you choose.

Borrowing money is irrelevant, if you have to, in order to make a profit (either from owning a business or buying into it via stocks). Borrowing, in fact, is the hallmark of a true capitalist. The more you are worth...the more you can borrow. The more you borrow and pay back, the wealthier you become. Capitalism.

Controlled wages, OTOH, are not capitalistic. It ensures those who may not work as hard get paid as much as those who work harder, resulting in all workers putting forth less effort, since more effort has no reward.

Capitalism does not necessarily consolidate the wealth into the hands of a few. It can, but it doesn't have to.

But none of that was the point of my post.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. I don't know where you got that definition but using that, will describe most any type of economy

In feudalism people owned businesses, created stuff, earned money, and made profit. In slavery the master got all those choices and made profits. What you describe is plain old fashion market economics. What makes Capitalism special is that we allow people to use their money to make more money. We allow those with capital to buy stocks and make money off of simply spending their capital. We allow people to loan out their capital to make more money. We allow people to own huge corporations while doing absolutely no work in that corporation and keep all the profits of all their workers.

In socialist countries, many people own their own businesses, decide their own work and take home their own money AND make profits. That is Plain old fashion business and markets. That has been around since man first traded.

If you own your business, make your own money, decide your own career, or Not has little to do with what IS capitalism. Pure and simple: Capitalism is using money, or capital to make more money or capital. It gives the most benefit to those with the most capitol.

You seem to have mixed up private ownership as part of capitalism. True the Soviet Union and Old Chinese Communism did have government control of the means of production. But ownership alone is NOT the defining characteristic of capitalism. In the old Soviet Union, farmers still owned their farms and workers still decided what to do for a living.

Marx did advocate for the means of production to be owned by the workers. If that happens in the majority of businesses then you could say they were no longer capitalist. Old fashion socialist and communist thought that if the government owned the means of production and the people controlled the government, then the people would vote out the crooks and prevent them from acquiring and consolidating all the wealth. But it seems owning the means of production and keeping all that wealth and profit is very corrupting. So both those countries turned into totalitarian regimes ruled by one party.

[NoMoreRepugs]

10. Words matter.... time to start referring to Repukes

actions as " Obstruction of Democracy"... not
"Obstruction of Justice"...

[MrPurple]

11. In an ideal world, Mueller & the FBI would have Nunes under surveillance & these actions would be

part of his prosecution. Unfortunately, I doubt that's the case. The Republicans are so corrupt and so invested in protecting Trump, and obfuscating truth to do it, that the only hope is a new Democratic Congress after November.

I just hope that Mueller's investigation is still active if they're sworn in a year from now and that the gerrymandering/voter suppression that put Trump into office in the first place isn't so dominant that it suppresses the midterm Democratic surge. The Republicans will try to game the midterm vote every bit as much as they're gaming the Trump investigation. We need to take back the swing state governorships and legislatures desperately before the 2020 census.

[RicROC]

12. time for Impeachment...of Nunes

When a Congressman like Nunes shows signs of treason or obstruction, they should be impeached and sent packing. Why wait for other events to happen?