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(13,182 posts)And we are doing nothing because the party in control are traitors
FakeNoose
(32,599 posts)Think there's any chance he'll lose?
None!
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)The Second Coming
W. B. Yeats, 1865 - 1939
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)A perfect moment to quote Yeats. You reminded me of a speech given by Congressman Jim McDermott, "The Center Can Not Hold".
WW2 followed WW1 and some want to believe Yeats was predicting the future. Yeats was a brilliant poet and master of the English language. His views were formed by his intellect, his humanity and experience, imo.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Methinks the tentacles of Russian influence have infected our Congress, our Executive Branch, and the media. The NRA and megachurches are probably included as well.
This a a full-scale, full frontal attack on our democracy, and without the press and a largely apathetic and uninformed public, we're doomed to crash and burn.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)the NRA and churches were in the back pocket of the GOP decades ago. Now they are willfully ignoring the facts because it doesnt jive with their world view.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)for years now.
1. SHORT THREAD re: RELIGIOUS RIGHT'S longstanding courtship of Russia. Sources.
Link to tweet
17:04 11/22/2017
The emerging alliance between Putin and Trumps God squad; The unlikely partnership is years in the making.
https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/
Reverence for Putin on the Right Buys Trump Cover
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/politics/putin-trump-conservatives.html?_r=0
The veneration of Mr. Putin helps explain why revelations about Russias involvement in the election including recent reports that members of Mr. Trumps inner circle set up a meeting at which they expected a representative of the Russian government to give them incriminating information about Hillary Clinton and Mr. Trumps reluctance to acknowledge it, have barely penetrated the consciousness of the presidents conservative base.
Guns and religion: How American conservatives grew closer to Putins Russia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-right-found-allies-in-russia/2017/04/30/e2d83ff6-29d3-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html
Growing up in the 1980s, Brian Brown was taught to think of the communist Soviet Union as a dark and evil place.
But Brown, a leading opponent of same-sex marriage, said that in the past few years he has started meeting Russians at conferences on family issues and finding many kindred spirits.
Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, has visited Moscow four times in four years, including a 2013 trip during which he testified before the Duma as Russia adopted a series of anti-gay laws.
What I realized was that there was a great change happening in the former Soviet Union, he said. There was a real push to re-instill Christian values in the public square.
How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right
While the U.S. passed gay-rights laws, Moscow moved hard the other way.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755
RACHEL MADDOW: Russia makes inroads with American right via guns, religion DURATION 6:10
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/russia-makes-inroads-with-american-right-via-guns-religion-986677827557
Richard Engel, NBC News chief foreign correspondent, and NBC's Kelly Cobiella look at how members of the American political right are building an appreciation for Vladimir Putin through guns and Evangelical Christianity.
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NRA:
The NRA Placed Big Bets on the 2016 Election, and Won Almost All of Them
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/11/the-nra-placed-big-bets-on-the-2016-election-and-won-almost-all-of-them/
Ted Lieu: Story of Link Between Kremlin And NRA Could Get Bigger
Follow the money, Rep. Ted Lieu said of the National Rifle Associations pro-Trump efforts.
Last Thursday, investigative reporters Peter Stone and Greg Gordon of McClatchy DC Bureau reported what could be another bombshell in the Russia probe: that the FBI is investigating whether a Kremlin-linked banker illegally channeled funds to the National Rifle Association to aid Donald Trumps presidential campaign.
On Friday, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.), who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, told me on SiriusXM Progress that the word on Capitol Hill is that the story of a Russia-NRA-Trump link is going to grow.
FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russias central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, Stone and Gordon reported being told by two sources familiar with the matter.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-lieu-russia-nra_us_5a64f350e4b0dc592a09dfab
Muellers Probe Is Dangerously Close to a Republican Red Line https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/donald-trump-robert-mueller-nra
According to McClatchy D.C., the F.B.I. is investigating whether a top Russian banker with close ties to President Vladimir Putin illegally channeled money through the N.R.A. to bolster Trumps bid for the White House. The revelation that the special prosecutor might target the gun lobby, arguably the most influential and sacrosanct faction of the Republican Party, could embolden G.O.P. lawmakers to bring a swift end to the Trump-Russia probe and hasten a Mueller ouster. (The N.R.A. did not immediately respond to the outlets request for comment.)
... It is unclear when Muellers team opened its inquiry, what stage the investigation has reached, or to what extent the F.B.I. can substantiate the money trail. But of the $55 million the N.R.A. spent on the 2016 election, a staggering $30 million was shelled out to the Trump campaignthree times the amount it spent on Mitt Romney in 2012, McClatchy reports.
... As The New York Times reported in December, Erickson sent a May 2016 e-mail to Trump campaign adviser Rick Dearborn with the subject line Kremlin Connection. In the e-mail, Erickson reportedly asked Dearborn, and then Senator Jeff Sessions, for advice in setting up a meeting between Trump and Putin and sought to use the annual N.R.A. convention in Kentucky that year to make first contact. (Erickson could not be reached by the Times for comment.) While Erickson did not explicitly name Torshin, sources familiar with the situation who spoke to the Times said that the message appeared to refer to the Russian banker.
NRA's Ties To Putin Allies Go Back Years
By Sam Thielman at Talking Points Memo
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/nras-ties-to-putin-allies-go-back-years
Here, in chronological order, is what we know on the NRAs Russian ties:
2011: According to the Washington Post, G. Kline Preston, a lawyer in Nashville, Tenn. with a specialty in Russian affairs, introduces Torshin to David Keene, at the time the president of the NRA and a former head of the American Conservative Union. Torshin,then a senator in the Duma from Putins United Russia party, was friends with Mikhail Kalashnikov, the revered inventor of the AK-47. Preston, who did not return TPMs request for comment, told the Post that the value system of Southern Christians and the value system of Russians are very much in line.
November 2012: At Prestons invitation, Torshin observes the 2012 U.S. elections. Preston told the Post the two men saw violations of U.S. law in the form of Obama signs too close to a polling place. Preston had served as an international observer of the 2011 legislative elections in Russia, and reported that they were fair a conclusion at odds with that of many international observers.
May 2013: Torshin attends the NRA convention in Houston, where conservative players Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, John Bolton, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, and Rick Perry address one of the most important blocs in the Republican base.
Summer 2013: According to Spanish newspaper El Pais, Torshin is set to attend a birthday party on the Spanish island of Mallorca for Alexander Romanov, a member of the Moscow-based Taganskaya gang. Torshin, El Pais reported, is believed to be the Taganskaya boss. Twelve Spanish police officers wait for him at the airport and the hotel where he would have stayed, ready to arrest him in connection with money allegedly laundered to buy a hotel in the Spanish vacation spot. But, the newspaper reported, a Russian prosecutor tips Torshin off at the last moment, and he never shows up.
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The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here's What You Need to Know
Did a shadowy Russian banker close to Vladimir Putin illegally give money to the National Rifle Association to support the presidential campaign of Donald Trump? That's the subject of an active FBI investigation, according to an explosive report by McClatchy.
Here's what you need to know:
Unprecedented Trump Support
The National Rifle Association spent tens of millions of dollars backing Trump's presidential bid in 2016. The NRA endorsed Trump in May 2016. And the NRA disclosed it spent at least $30 million on Trump's behalf and attacking Hillary Clinton. That level of support is unprecedented more than twice what the NRA disclosed it spent on Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential run.
The true sum the NRA spent to install Trump in the White House may be far higher. Campaign finance disclosures do not cover spending on unregulated Internet advertising or voter mobilization; citing two sources close to the gun group, McClatchy suggests the NRA may have spent upwards of $70 million on Trump's presidential bid.
President Trump is clearly indebted: "You came through for me, and I am going to come through for you," Trump promised the NRA at its 2017 convention. "I will never, ever let you down."
Dark Money
In the age of Citizens United and unlimited campaign donations, the NRA has emerged as an important "dark money" hub in Republican politics. Under its tax code designation, the NRA is a "social welfare" organization, largely exempt from disclosing its donors. To skirt disclosure, other big-dollar political players including a SuperPAC linked to Karl Rove and a "chamber of commerce" controlled by the Koch Brothers have routinely steered money into the NRA, confident that the gun group's spending will advance the GOP cause.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-trump-russia-nra-connection-heres-what-you-need-to-know-w515615
20:24 1/18/2018
FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump
The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.
FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russias central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.
It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections.
.... Disclosure of the Torshin investigation signals a new dimension in the 18-month-old FBI probe of Russias interference. McClatchy reported a year ago that a multi-agency U.S. law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation into Russias intervention, begun even before the start of the 2016 general election campaign, initially included a focus on whether the Kremlin secretly helped fund efforts to boost Trump, but little has been said about that possibility in recent months.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html
31. Well, Senator Ben Cardin's been making news.
He is our ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and will become its chair if we get a majority in November. So, obviously, one of the Americans Putin is most afraid of.
Cardin and other committee Democrats just issued an important call for protecting our democracy that's been taken note of by many, Putins Asymmetrical Assault on Democracy in Russia and Europe: Implications for U.S. National Security.
If you can't read this article, try opening it in a Chrome incognito window. Or read about it in many other journals.
Senate Report Outlines Playbook to Prevent Future Russian Election Meddling
Conspicuously absent from the report, however, is Republican buy-in.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/10/senate-report-outlines-playbook-to-prevent-future-russian-election-meddling-trump-elections-congress-europe-putin-senator-cardin-democrats-nato-european-union/
Btw, this is also a big, aggressive political move against the Republicans as more and more of their entanglements with Russia are being uncovered.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)They are in bed with the Russian Orthodox Church. Evangelicals support the Orthodox Church and their Jihad on LGBT's/Women/Minorities.
arthritisR_US
(7,283 posts)churches and the NRA had been infiltrated and influenced by Russians.
Cha
(296,893 posts)bush, the War on Iraq, and trump. Now they're trying to keep TPTB. Must like their damn tax cuts and not mind being taken over by fucking russia
Gothmog
(144,951 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Almost as much and perhaps even more, he fears being exposed as less than a billionaire.
At this point, the pee tape would be sensational but almost anti-climactic.
erronis
(15,185 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)OP neglected
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@SethAbramson
We should all be clear on the fact that Trump is taking all these pro-Russia actions to ensure the inevitable Russian election interference in 2018 and 2020 will be in his and the Republicans' favor. We are watching treachery on a historic scale in slow motion and doing NOTHING.
arthritisR_US
(7,283 posts)with Russian interference as long as it favours them. Country and democracy be damned.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,283 posts)suppression, I totally agree with him. It really harkens back to power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely . 😖
Nitram
(22,768 posts)But nothing like what we are witnessing now.
gristy
(10,667 posts)What do you mean?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)The tweet image shows up for me. Tweet images always do as far as I can tell.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,270 posts)This has been building since Nixon, Atwater, Stone and Manafort.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)You can add Rove, Cheney, Reagan, Rumsfeld, Yoo, Addington and many others along the way.
erronis
(15,185 posts)I've always wanted a "They said this" but "Here's how it ended" type of site.
Totally non-judgmental, of course. </smile>
Nitram
(22,768 posts)exploited that. But never in history has a party betrayed the country and its people to the extent that today's Publican Party and the Trump Adminifucktion have. I would not have believed it if I hadn't been living through it.
erronis
(15,185 posts)Through the Truman and Johnson administrations I've had a good view of how government can work. With all the warts and exigencies. Never have I seen such outright corruption as Nixon, Reagan, W, and Trump - all repuglicans. Not so say that Kennedy, Johnson, and Clinton were white knights, but they weren't trying to bring down the gov't.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)Even after Congress near-unanimously passed a law imposing more sanctions on Russia, the Trump administration has stated they will not enforce them. Our only hope is that the FBI investigation will force Congress to impeach Trump, and imprison the many players in Trump's campaign who collaborated with Russia. Mass national demonstrations in the streets will be our last resort if Mueller is fired and the Repubs do nothing.
bdamomma
(63,803 posts)it can't get any clearer than that, that we have traitors running and ruining our way of life. What would be the last straw for us to damn these jerks to hell, Mueller being fired and/or Ryan saying that the FBI needs to be cleansed??
And they call themselves Americans???? BS.
We will not do this
maltzmax
(19 posts)What should we do exactly? I have held signs, joined protests, give money to organizations that fight for justice, and all these awful things continue getting worse. Oh- I suppose I can vote in a rigged election- will that help? Don't forget that half the country wants a dictatorship, specifically for the purpose of seeing liberals, people of color, women, gays, and others who are not like them punished, including with jail and death. They have shown that they are willing to kill, snd boping for the the chance to do so. What are tweets like this calling for? We are already aware and outraged. Who is willing to risk their job, family, freedom, life, (or life of a family member), to do something other than nothing? These people only laugh and receive more gratification and pleasure from the outrage and angst of others. Seriously- what should we be doing? Because I have a feeling that holding a sign with a snappy putdown of Trump and a funny picture, or voting, is not going to do a whole lot.
bdamomma
(63,803 posts)Welcome to DU.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Juliusseizure
(562 posts)Russian election interference involves bots in social media, hacking of DNC and dissemination by wikileaks, and attempts to hack state or municipal election computers.
If dems are told to boycott twitter, etc. until they get their shit together, would that help? Just have 100 million people switch to snapchat and Zuckerberg may feel more pressure?
I don't know what could be done for local elections.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I mean, there are MY tweets. I'm not a bot. I follow some people, but not many. I think I'd recognize a tweet by any of them that seemed not in keeping with their positions.
FB, however, is a different matter. On the page are ads and "news" links that purport to have a headline. Those in the 2016 campaign were FAKE, or some of them, it turned out.
I don't think Democrats are the issue. Who was falling for those bots? I guess it would be independents, disgruntled Dems who wanted to vote for a non-Dem, and of course Republicans.
I don't have access to snapchat. That's a mobile app. DON'T ASSUME EVERYONE HAS THE SAME DEVICES YOU HAVE. Some use smartphones, some use laptops, some use desktop computers.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)I won't assume everybody has mobile, but we can't assume democrats are unaffected, or Twitter bots have no or minimal impact, or other assumptions being made.
I distinctly remember a mass, crushing wave of bot propaganda about Clinton's e-mails after Comey reopened the server investigation that enveloped social media for a solid week at least.
I don't think it was limited to Facebook or Twitter or social media. It's YouTube. It's Google. Its every access point to news and information.
That's not going to change dems minds per se, but it will dampen enthusiasm. And there's evidence to suggest that cost Clinton the election,by effecting independents and reducing voter turnout.
So, back to my point, if Anerican companies like "do no evil" Google or Facebook or Twitter are more concerned about profit, and OF COURSE they are, the only thing that will get their attention is a threat to profit.
There are actually a lot of alternative social media. There's nothing like a threat of mass migration to an alternative to wake Zuckerberg, etc the fuck up, and we don't need Mueller for that.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Maybe others follow more people. I read tweets by the same people over and over. Frum, Bill Mauer, Krugman, etc.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)or when they use the hashtag search function. When you do that, you see the stream of posts on the subject from everyone, more-or-less, not just the people you follow. That's a big part of twitter usage for many people, including ones who don't even have a twitter account.
Here's a search for #dacadreamers, for example. It's loaded with tweets from right-wing creeps.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Putin, Trump and the republican party will pull out every dirty trick to stop the blue wave this fall, no doubt about.
Trump and the republican party surrendered this nation to Vladimir Putin. We need a historic turnout in the midterms to even have a chance.
The threat of a nuclear war with NK or Iran will increase each day to because Red Don could use it to his benefit shortly before the election.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I told motherfuckers not to vote for that asshole...
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Can there be a lawsuit to force them to do it? I guess not. It's in the duties of Congress, not the Courts, I guess.
world wide wally
(21,739 posts)tomorrow.
peggysue2
(10,825 posts)the Russian interference was in full swing during the Virginia elections. But because of a massive Democratic effort and turnout we not only prevailed but won. We won in Alabama when everything said Doug Jones would come in second to the notorious Roy Moore. Again, it had to do with a massive effort at the local level and behind the scenes national support.
We will win in November if we keep our eyes on the prize: taking back the House and maybe the Senate. But it will only happen with overwhelming, unmistakeable turnouts and GOTV operations.
Abramson is right--the Russians will continue to interfere to protect their go-to asset: The Donald. The Trumpster and his enablers have proven they will do everything they can to save their own skins.
But they cannot stop a tsunami. Which is exactly what we need to bring. Tall order? Yes. But I think our national security, our Constitutional Republic is worth it.
We can do this. As faithful citizens we must do this.
FakeNoose
(32,599 posts)That's why Democrats won in Virginia and Alabama. I'm not sure if New Jersey switched to paper last year. But paper ballots are a necessity in every state. They can't be rigged and there's a recount procedure in place if something is challenged.
Make sure your state votes on paper ballots this year. You can request a ballot and they have to give you one. But individiual ballots aren't the answer, the entire state should switch. Too many states have voting machines that are rigged to favor the repukes. Good luck!
johnsolaris
(220 posts)Hi,
This has gone beyond protesting or calling your congressman or posting in social media. The Republicans have staged an actual Coup de'Tat. The Media giants are on their side as well as the Military. The Russians, whomever is doing this, The Mafia or actual state is not going to let this investment go to waste.
I realize this sounds paranoid & way beyond & crazy conspiracy theory.
Mueller knows the truth, He has followed the trail of money & collusion. The truth may come out although I doubt it will do any good. They will wrap their version in Patriotism & Religion, we did it for you and the people will cheer.
I hope I am wrong, but I think we are in for a bumpy ride.
spanone
(135,795 posts)debsy
(530 posts)I have been thinking silent coup for many months. i can't even watch the late night shows anymore because, even though the stuff should be funny, it just isn't anymore. I am sitting here watching like a frog in warm water sitting on a hot stove waiting to boil. We may have already waited too long. We can't wait any longer. We all have to be willing to give something up to save our country. We need to have a massive mobilization to starve them of money but how do you do that when the world's richest men are in charge of virtually everything and control more than 50% of the planet's wealth? Taxes? Strikes? Boycotts? Protests? It seems like whatever we do won't have any effect on them at all...
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)for also whatever the process adds to his bank accounts.
I really dont think he cares all that much about elections.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The question is, how do we get the people in a position to do something to do...SOMETHING.
triron
(21,984 posts)tinrobot
(10,888 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)We reply doing nothing.
What would you have us do?
Firestorm49
(4,030 posts)We are losing a little bit more of our democracy every day, (actually at an alarming rate) and yet, we remain complacent to the ultimate reality. Never before in our lives have we witnessed such a blatant use of outright lies, lies so obvious that they are embarrassing to read and at the same time, expected to be believed by those perpetrating the fairytale. And thats only one small issue.
When the senate and house overwhelmingly vote to implement additional sanctions on Russia and the ..........in charge at the White House overrules the vote, this is not government, it is pure and simple dictatorship, yet nobody seems to care. The story gets maybe a minute an national news, and by complacency, we lose the freedoms we hold so dear. Whats happening to America right now is dangerous, treacherous, and our own GOP representatives are every bit as complicit as the ................currently, and maybe forever, occupying Oval Office.