A couple of years ago there was a DU poll

[Ron Green]

that measured support for the Democratic presidential choice. As I recall, Bernie Sanders got about 90% out of this vote.

Am I remembering this correctly?

[shenmue]

2. No

[Skittles]

3. HELL no

[Demsrule86]

4. I don't know, but I doubt that would as high today.

[ehrnst]

5. I don't think you are remembering correctly

But there is a search feature that would confirm or disprove.

Do you remember who the other choice was? Or when this poll was to have taken place?

I don't recall any such poll, and I would have participated.

[nolabear]

6. Satan. Maybe Charlie Manson.

90%? C’mon.

[ehrnst]

7. Yes, that seems a bit disproportionate

for a poll on Democratic Underground.

[JI7]

8. Kucinich got about the same for 2004 and i think edwards and kucinich had a lot more

Support individually than obama and Clinton combined in 2008.

Nor sure the exact numbers though.

[ehrnst]

9. If true, that would easily be confirmed using the search feature.

Here's the link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=search

Who they were polling against is the key to comparison.

Right now, "generic Democrat" is polling well against DT....

And HRC would have gotten more than that, I'm sure, compared to DT here on Democratic Underground, had anyone decided that it was even worth polling.

[JI7]

12. DU polls have never reflected the actual numbers

The op refers to du poll, not scientific .

[Cha]

10. ..

[ehrnst]

11. I know, right?

[Cha]

13. Talk about

inflation!

[KTM]

17. Uh.... nope.

461 to 44. Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:07 PM

[skylucy]

15. ...lol

Hee Hee Hee

[oasis]

14. It's 2018, DU can safely proclaim "The bloom is off the rose".

[KTM]

16. Yes, you are remembering correctly - it was 461 to 44.

Obviously many replying to your thread wish to rewrite history, but there was a time here at DU, before the 2016 Primary Wars, when Senator Sanders was the overwhelming favorite in a poll.

Now that so many people were driven away, there are some of those still standing who want to pretend it wasnt like that. They laugh and roll, and do that Republican thing where they never, ever, ever admit when they make a mistake - they just walk away and move on to the next opportunity to be wrong (and get away with it still, now, today), but they are indeed wrong.

Yes - DU was once that way.

[FSogol]

21. Yup, President Sanders was the most popular, right after President Kucinich, and President Edwards!

I'm there in that thread, but I didn't see a value in voting.

Wonder how many of the voter are still on DU?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

22. No one was driven away.

A bunch of assholes refused to support HRC in the general and self exiled themselves to a cesspool of a site that encouraged people to vote for Trump and pushed batshit conspiracy theories regarding HRC.

[KTM]

24. A shit ton of people were banned.

They did not all go to JPR, but I assume you knew that too, and are just working on the retcon.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

27. Those who were banned were banned with good reason.

From advocating voting for Trump to calling HRC a c**t. No one was banned for supporting Bernie. There were also HRC posters who were banned/FFR.

It was a NASTY primary season, and there was a LOT of vitriol thrown about, but the vast majority of DUers who left did so of their own volition.

[FSogol]

31. +1. Disrupters on both sides were banned. No one was banned for simply supporting Bernie.

[KTM]

34. I see plenty of names in that thread

that I am happy I dont see anymore, but let's not pretend they were all fairly executed.

People on both sides of the divide were banned and the Jury System was massively abused. People were banned as a result. MANY people were banned for complete shit reasons, on both sides, and we all know it.

You want me to believe that thay all self-exiled ? Nope. You want me to believe they were ALL assholes ? Nope. You want to believe a false narrative that DU did not once include a TON of Sanders supporters? Not going to do that either.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Oh, the jury system was wildly abused...

But if you look back at the posters no longer here, you will see more “Hasn’t agreed to TOS” and “Account Active” than PPR.

I never said DU didn’t have a large Sanders base during the primaries, it did. There was a large, vocal Sanders base and a small vocal HRC base. Then there were the people (like myself) trying to interject truth and objectivity. I found myself at odds with both HRC and BS supporters (and I was admittedly pro-Hillary). I also said they all weren’t self exiled, but a large majority were. And those who self-exiled because they were no longer allowed to bash HRC were indeed a bunch of assholes.

[Hekate]

33. KTM, I spent 8 years hiding out in the BOG. President Obama had many admireres here...

...and looking back after the 2016 primaries (which I spent hiding out in the Hillary Group) it was pretty obvious to a lot of us survivors that we got trolled. Why obvious? Because when the Admins finally up and decided to tighten the rules here to take effect when the Nominee was clear, a lot of Bernie people refused to sign the new TOS and took their marbles off to JPR, where they remain. In other words, they were not here to elect Democrats and to improve the Party, but to disrupt.

So sure, Bernie had fans here. But they were not "driven away" -- the ones who refused to play by the rules opted out of DU or were asked to leave.

It's pretty damn nasty to say that those of us who remember the history somewhat differently than you do are acting like Republicans.

[KTM]

40. A lot of people left

Some people went to JPR. Many (most ?) others went there, didnt like it either, but stayed away from here afterwards. Many felt the rules had been changed to silence them. The posts are all still there, we can all still read them. It was a common sentiment at the time.

A lot of others stayed here, and very, very, very rarely post now.

Meanwhile, as to your "pretty damned nasty" comment, I specifically stated that the Republican Thing I was referring to was making incorrect statements, failing to correct them when the mistake was pointed out, and then continuning to do the same. If you didnt do that, then dont take offense.

[musicblind]

44. The rules were not changed to silence them. DU has ALWAYS required it's members

to fully back the Democratic nominee once the primary process ends.

If they could not do that, in the face of a potential Trump Presidency, then they do not deserve the right to post here.

Please, let's not pretend that anyone who can work to enable someone like Donald Trump, explicitly or tacitly, can still be a good person.

[Kentonio]

46. It had nothing to do with not supporting the nominee

At soon as the primary ended, anyone saying anything positive about Sanders was hounded to the ends of the earth, while insulting him and his supporters at every turn was suddenly completely acceptable. It was a deeply uncomfortable experience for many of us who were absolutely ready to move to support Clinton in the general (that had never even been in question for most of us), yet we were supposed to happily grovel and accept verbal abuse and accusations of bigotry and treachery on a near daily basis simply because we supported a different primary candidate.

Large numbers of people just walked away. Some went to JPR, where most found it was actually a nasty place and just left almost immediately. A few have returned here, but even having set up an account there in those early days is seen by some as proof that they're bigots and traitors. I made an account there. Posted maybe 2 or 3 times before seeing some stuff I thought was vile and completely unacceptable and so left. Had that thrown in my face here on multiple occasions.

[FSogol]

18. Was the poll in the Bernie Sanders group?

[Cha]

19. lol

[nini]

20. sounds about right

[KTM]

23. It's linked RIGHT above you....

In GD.

461 to 44.

Bless your collective hearts.

[FSogol]

25. LOL: Search out my old response in your 461-44 thread.

And save your blessing, I don't need it.

[MelissaB]

29. No

[MelissaB]

28. Yes, you are correct, and it was in GD not a group.

I don't know what brought this on, but some of us still here were Bernie supporters.

[MelissaB]

32. Is there a point to this thread other than to stir the pot? This is a time when Democrats need to

be united to fight what is coming. We have a president who is a Russian asset and Republicans have sold out to Russian money.

[Hekate]

35. One does wonder, doesn't one, on the very night of DT's SOTU

Two disgruntled pot stirrers in the same thread, and why?

[MelissaB]

36. I really don't mean to piss anybody off, but these Bernie/Hillary threads need to be put on hold.

We have bigger fish to fry.

[Hekate]

38. Indeed, which is why there is a rule against refighting the primaries...

...and an option under Alert Abuse to point out when that is occuring.

So it's one of those thi gs that mKe me go hmmmmm.

[KTM]

41. To whom are you referring ?

ETA: Lol, never mind... I was in the middle of writing a "Trash this thread" post in Name Removed's new post about this thread and it and they were bonked before I could finish.

[NCTraveler]

39. I think it was pretty high.

Not sure about ninety.

[Ron Green]

43. I found it, and it was closer to 3 years ago.

Bernie Sanders actually polled a little over 91%. I’m surprised at how much this site has changed.

[NCTraveler]

45. Link

What makes you think it has changed? A considerable amount of disrupters left. I remember when they use to act like they were the minority. You highlight just how sad that line was.

[Kentonio]

47. So you're saying that a majority of DU used to be 'disruptors'?

Are you sure you've thought that all the way through?

[NCTraveler]

49. I did not say that.

You can find numerous disrupters in those polls who have called for the death of Clinton on JPR. Guess those aren’t disrupters in your mind.

I never made the claim you just attributed to me.

[Kentonio]

51. Well the only other intepretation I can see

Would be that only disrupters vote in polls? Your point isn't clear.

Thanks for the little smear trying to make out that I support people who want Mrs Clinton dead though. A real insight into your true character there. I should probably alert on it, but to be honest I'd rather have people see how you really treat people.

[RandiFan1290]

48. Do you still have the link to your post

that Rush Limbaugh read on the air?

The one where you blamed President Obama because the republicons refused to extend the Social Security tax break?

[NCTraveler]

50. I dont have a link to it.

Since it’s your line of argument it should be yours to present.



What part of the argument I made, that you clearly remember, did you disagree with?

[lunamagica]

52. No, you are not remembering this correctly. That never happened

[captain queeg]

53. Glad I saw this, helps me understand

Du a bit better. I was a casual reader for years, finally started doing some posting last year. Didn’t really understand the rules, still don’t really. I posted some BS article about Hilary. But, being cynical about fake news. But I looked where to post and thought; in the Hilary group of course; didn’t realize it was strictly a fan club and got chewed a lot for posting it. It certainly wasn’t anti Hilary even if it Shed some light on what anti Hillary people were thinking, I was surprised to find there are plenty of close minded people here. I’m still learning the ropes though, at first I figured people who had 10,000 posts were just internet trolls but I see that not the case. But people are definitely opinionated here.