I watching Wonder Woman for about the 100th time, gets better every time.

[Demtexan]

Seemed that kind of night.

Wish we had a magic rope to make the republicans tell the truth.

[IADEMO2004]

1. Damn positive review you just gave. I have yet to see Wonder Woman

[Demtexan]

3. It is a great movie.

Not made like a cartoon.

It is a time period movie.

Woman Wonder of course is ageless.

Just buy dvd.

Worth every penny.

[PJMcK]

2. Something that bothered me about Wonder Woman

She's a killer. Most DC Comic heros don't kill people. Batman wouldn't use a gun. Superman wouldn't kill someone. The Flash would just daze criminals with his speed.

But Wonder Woman is a killing machine. Granted, she's fighting bad guys and bad "gods/forces."

It's still an odd way to make an "empowering" statement.

By the way, I love the movie, the cast, the direction, the effects and the story.

[cynatnite]

4. Batman has a history of using guns...

Both in comics and in the recent movies.

[PJMcK]

6. Recent movies aren't the original canon

But it really doesn't matter.

[cynatnite]

8. Batman originally started with guns in the comics.

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[Cuthbert Allgood]

21. You're using Batman Odyssey to talk about his history with guns?

Do you read Batman?

[cynatnite]

23. Check out Detective #32

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I'm not a huge comic reader, just off and on when the mood strikes. I do know a guy who is a heavy comic reader and when I said something about Batman using guns in Batman v Superman, he gave me a rundown on Batman's history with guns. He wasn't always anti-gun in the comics.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

25. I believe it was Detective 33(?) when things change

That's when they start the back story of him seeing his parents being killed and we get the "I don't kill" Batman. Before that, he killed the shit out of people. Absolutely.

But, just so you know, that first image was from Batman Odyssey which was Neil Adams coming back to write a short Batman arch and it was, to put it mildly, fucking bizarre. You will see mixed reviews from genius to incomprehensible if you Google it.

[Demtexan]

5. People were trying to kill her.

I loved the no mans land and village part.

She saved the people in the village.

She came from an island.

[PJMcK]

7. As i wrote, I enjoyed the film

It's certainly not a progressive perspective, however.

[Demtexan]

9. It was happening during WW1.

She did not kill the evil Dr. at the end.

[PJMcK]

11. Planning for the sequel? (wink)

He'll be back.

It's a great film and like the musical "Wicked," it inspires young girls and women to empower themselves.

[Demtexan]

12. The movie sure does.

And a love interest.

[LanternWaste]

34. That perspective merely being your interpretation and inference.

"It's certainly not a progressive perspective, however..."

That perspective merely being your own interpretation and inference, which is certainly not absolute and subject to your own biases.

[cynatnite]

10. It was wartime. Plus she was saving people, too. n/t

[PJMcK]

13. As I responded above...

...her violence is not really "progressive."

Nonetheless, it's a good film.

[cynatnite]

14. Her violence?

She was being shot at. She defended and saved a village. When her and Steve were attacked in London, she wasn't committing violence. She was defending themselves. The one who did die, committed suicide.

It's a fantastic film, but keep in mind that she doesn't commit acts of violence for the sake of violence. There is a reason for everything she does. Also, she was raised to be a warrior.

[Demtexan]

16. This is a great movie.

I do not buy many dvds.

This movie was worth the money.

[cynatnite]

18. I bought it on 4K. I've watched it several times. Just love this one a lot! n/t

[obamanut2012]

31. Yes, she is truly a hero, who is on the side of Good

Violence during and after WW II is why she walked away from the world and being WW, until she was needed to save the world once again, and then came back to rally Batman and Superjesus, and was an integral part in that battle (and was the best part of that movie imo!).

[Hekate]

17. Are you conflating progressivism and pacifism? It seems like you are, which is weird.

[LanternWaste]

37. It then begs the question: What then is progressive violence?

It then begs the question: What then is progressive violence (other than burning fingers when baking cookies), and on what objective measure is that answer predicated on?

[trueblue2007]

20. "she" ....oh get off it. why are you hating on wonder WOMAN.

[obamanut2012]

29. Your OP "toning" WW wasn't enough, you had to have thsi subthread, too?

[qwlauren35]

42. The movie starts with violence.

The scene on the beach.

Wonder Woman comes from a tradition of warriors. They use bows and arrows, but they definitely fight to kill when they are defending their land.

So, it could not be otherwise. There was no way to subdue the men on the beach without killing them, given that they also had guns.

At least in the no-man's land scene, she does not kill.

But her entire reason for being is to kill Ares. It's what the sword is for.

So yes, she is a killer.

If you don't want to see people killed, don't see the movie.

[mcar]

15. I've seen it twice

and will undoubtedly see it many more times. Gal Gadot was amazing.

[Demtexan]

19. She is Wonder Woman.

Gal Gadot is great in this movie.

[mcar]

22. Yes!

And did it pregnant!

[Demtexan]

24. Amazing wasn't it.

This is my go to movie when I get pissed off.

To bad about Steve.

She would have stayed young and he would have aged.

[obamanut2012]

33. I was against her casting, and publicly ate crow

After I watched "Superman vs. Batman: The WW Parts are the Best Parts" movie.

[rishabh123dude]

26. brain vs heart

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Brain - She did not kill the evil Dr. at the end.
Heart - She kill the evil Dr. at the end.

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[gopiscrap]

50. welcome to DU

[NewJeffCT]

27. I watched Monday's Supergirl last night

because I got home too late to watch it on Monday. Seemed like a good alternative to listening to Trump drone on about how great Trump is.

[obamanut2012]

35. Terrific show -- go to NF and watch the first two seasons

[NewJeffCT]

43. I've been hooked on it since Day 1

Melissa Benoist is one of my celebrity crushes - I really love her take on Kara, and I could definitely picture myself (if I was in my 20s to early 30s) like Win Schott in the office having a crush on her just as Kara Danvers before anybody knew who Supergirl was. Though, I don't have the singing voice of Jeremy Jordan, who plays Win.

[samnsara]

28. i love that show!!

[Ken Burch]

30. I find it a bit weird that they would move the setting from World War II to the Great War.

World War II was a just war with no ambiguity. Why have an Amazon superhero intervene in a conflict that was nothing but a family quarrel among feather-hatted German-speaking royals, in which 20 million men died for no worthwhile reason?

Why would Diana even care who won between the Battenbergs and the Hapsburgs?

[oberliner]

36. What does "a war with no ambiguity" mean?

Like a good v evil sort of situation?

[Ken Burch]

39. Pretty much. Democracy vs. fascism.

A conflict in which life would actually be perceptibly improved for the any by one side defeating the other(which was NOT the case by any measure in the 1914-1918 conflict.

World War II not only brought the military defeat of Naziism and fascism, it created the conditions in which European colonialism could be ended in Africa, Asia and Latin America, and also the creation of the postwar social welfare states in Europe-including the UK-and the preservation of most of the New Deal measures in the U.S.

World War I led to the nominal end of the Hapsburg and Hohenzollern dynasties, but this was negated by the fact those empires were replaced by conservative nationalist governments rather than by progressive, egalitarian democracies(or in the case of Germany, by an attempt at democracy that was sabotaged by right-wing nationalists when that attempted democracy was forced to impose crippling austerity under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles).

The results of World War II were largely a wave of human liberation. the results of World War I were the rise of Hitler and Mussolini.

Not worth the efforts of an Amazonian warrior at all.

[FSogol]

38. They moved it to avoid the obvious comparision to the Capt America movie which took place in WWII

Also, if you want to make money from movies in Germany, you should probably avoid using the Nazis. Marvel Comics (Disney) had them fighting Hydra, a criminal terrorist organization using the Nazis.

[Ken Burch]

40. How about moving it to the U.S. Civil War, then?

n/t.

[FSogol]

41. Probably not a conflict that threatened the entire world. Did you even see the movie?

[Ken Burch]

44. No. And actually, World War I didn't "threaten the entire world".

It truly made no difference which "side" won that one.

There was no moral difference between the Battenbergs and the Romanovs(the empires on "our" side) and the Hapsburgs and Hohenzollerns. Just a feud between a handful of imperial cousins over lines on a map.

All that conflict did was to make sure the dying imperial states were replaced by conservative nationalist regimes(and that the Third Reich eventually took power in Germany and Russia ended up being turned over to someone like Stalin) rather than the a global victory for humane social transformation.

No one gained anything but a few wealthy industrialists, no one was liberated, no one was "saved".

Why was THAT worth the lives of 20 million men?

The setting made it impossible to watch the movie. Superheroes should only be used to end just wars. Why should I cheer the story of an Amazon who fights for nothing that's worth fighting for?

[FSogol]

46. It involved much of the world was the point. Even you would have to admit that more countries were

involved in "World" War 1 than in the US Civil War.

And your comment that: "Superheroes should only be used to end just wars."

Remind me to never read a comic written by you.

[Ken Burch]

47. OK, let me rephrase that

"If superheroes are to be used in scenarios involving war, they should only be involved in clearly just wars". I didn't mean they shouldn't be used in non-war situations.

Much of the world(mainly the white parts of the world) were involved in the 1914-1918 war, that is true. It's just that it really didn't matter who won the damn thing. All the empires were about to fall anyway.

[FSogol]

48. You do realize Superheroes are fictional right?

Here's the cover of Captain America #1 which came out in December 1940 (although it was dated March 1941).

That was long before America joined the war.

I guess the NY Jewish comic book writers and artists (Joe Simon and Jack Kirby) along with Timely Comics EIC Martin Goodman weren't waiting for your rules on how superheroes should appear in fictional stories.

[Ken Burch]

49. Yes.

I've read comics and graphic novels for years. I like the form.
And obviously I superheroes exist only as product's of a writer's imagination.

World War II was a worthy place for their fictional adventures, since it was clearly a "good vs. evil" situation. World War I, a war which was pointless and should never have been fought at all, is not, in my view.

Why put them in a situation that is simply an endless series of useless deaths?

[oberliner]

32. What did you like most about it?

My favorite part was all the killing she did.

[Orsino]

45. I thought it was good...

...and made great mainly by the centering of a female hero. They had Chris Fucking Pine, and put him firmly in the back seat. Somebody deserves a medal.

It's probably quibbling for me to point out that it was very ordinary in structure for a superhero origin story. Aren't they all?