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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:16 AM Jul 2012

My only post about guns: Gun rights are NOT like other rights.

I am not fundamentally opposed to gun ownership. My dad owns plenty of them. In my extended family many people have guns.

That said, I don't think the right to have a gun is in any way a prerequisite for having a "democracy" or a "free state", as some apparently do.

There is an international consensus of what rights are essential for a place to be considered a "free state". Such are freedom of speech, freedom of the press, an intact and fair electorial process, habeus corpus, and so on.

The "right to keep and bear arms" is not on that list. It is specific for the US. It could vanish tomorrow, and that would be of zero relevance to the question of whether the US is a free state or not. Some countries have strict gun control and are still democracies.

So my point: I don't think it makes sense to put the right to bear arms on the same level as other rights. It is a right that by historical coincidence exists in the US, but not one that is in any way relevant for the integrity of the democratic state, as is for instance freedom of speech. Furthermore, I do not think that private gun ownership is, or has ever been, a deterrance against tyranny.

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My only post about guns: Gun rights are NOT like other rights. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jul 2012 OP
If it's not too late, you might want to edit the "keep and bare arms" part. 11 Bravo Jul 2012 #1
I come from the south. There, it's "bare arms". redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #2
The majority of Americans kctim Jul 2012 #3
"all others have failed" -- ??? IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #6
Leave my guns alone PERIOD! Meg_Griffin_1 Jul 2012 #10
Shut up Meg. jorno67 Jul 2012 #12
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #4
It is in the Bill of Rights hack89 Jul 2012 #5
Which was already done in George Bush's "Free speech zones"! rustydog Jul 2012 #9
So are you suggesting we use Bush as our model of democratic government? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #11
If you think about it... jorno67 Jul 2012 #7
YAwn. L0oniX Jul 2012 #8
 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
3. The majority of Americans
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jul 2012

and the Supreme Court disagree with your opinion.

And the fact that our form of government, with ALL of our rights intact, has endured for the past 200+ years while all others have failed, proves your opinion is wrong and very naive.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
6. "all others have failed" -- ???
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

I do not think this is true. Where are those blasted Canadians when we need them?

 

Meg_Griffin_1

(49 posts)
10. Leave my guns alone PERIOD!
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jul 2012

I do not trust the government NO MATTER what party when they start talking gun control.
I have been CCW for a very long time and as of today I have yet to exercise my right to defend my self, and would love to keep it that way.

BUT if the day ever came I am more then ready....

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. It is in the Bill of Rights
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jul 2012

The fact of the matter is that as long as the 2A remains part of the Bill of Rights, gun rights do enjoy the same status as the "freedom of speech, freedom of the press, an intact and fair electoral process, habeus corpus, and so on."

Your only viable course of action is a Constitutional amendment. The alternative is the government deciding for us which rights we really should have.

jorno67

(1,986 posts)
7. If you think about it...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:45 AM
Jul 2012

It's really the right to have the means to kills someone. If the US was born much earlier would we have things like "The National Sword Association"?

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