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Mon Feb 12, 2018, 03:43 AM

CIA CALLS BULLSHIT ON INTERCEPT/NYT STORY ABOUT LOST $100K TO TRUMP KOMPROMAT DEALER!

Sorry if this has already be posted ... every post about this story I've commented on (and been a few now) I've said UNLESS this story is BULLSHIT altogether.

Looks like the CIA (in a rare public statement) is indeed calling BULLSHIT ... INTERESTING!

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/cia/373323-cia-pushes-back-on-fictional-report-that-it-was-bilked-by

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Reply CIA CALLS BULLSHIT ON INTERCEPT/NYT STORY ABOUT LOST $100K TO TRUMP KOMPROMAT DEALER! (Original post)
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 OP
Cha Feb 2018 #1
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #11
shanny Feb 2018 #2
dewsgirl Feb 2018 #3
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #4
dewsgirl Feb 2018 #5
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #21
shanny Feb 2018 #6
standingtall Feb 2018 #7
shanny Feb 2018 #9
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #12
shanny Feb 2018 #15
nocalflea Feb 2018 #19
Roland99 Feb 2018 #8
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #14
UCmeNdc Feb 2018 #10
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #22
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #13
shanny Feb 2018 #16
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #17
shanny Feb 2018 #18
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #20

Response to mr_lebowski (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 03:47 AM

1. Not a surprise.. and bad enough

for the CIA to speak out about it.

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:56 AM

11. Not a surprise, pretty obvious reasons to be skeptical about article

Especially given Russian standard practice of planting false stories like this.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:11 AM

2. Haven't read the story yet but

 

the CIA lies for a living...just sayin'.

Eta: now I have. Anybody think the spooks would not deny a story that makes them look bad? Puhleeese.

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Response to shanny (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:34 AM

3. This story has been fishy since it first dropped, I

Believe the first to break it was Glenn Greenwald, the Intercept.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:47 AM

4. It was a reputable reporter at the Intercept, Rosen I think his name is ... it was not Greenwald ...

The fact that NYT picked it up and seemed to report it as fact/verified gave addt'l weight to the story.

Honestly I'm not sure anymore what to believe on this whole mess ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:52 AM

5. Thank you, there's quite a lot of confusion surrounding

This story, as well as I imagine a bit of purposeful misinformation.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:30 PM

21. Yeah, not like the NYT has ever pushed disinformation before, is it?

 

/sarcasm

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 05:49 AM

6. I knew it: it's the boogeyman.

 

The New York Times and James Risen at The Intercept have reported it.

Pulitzer Prize winning James Risen--not the Dread Pirate Glenn Greenwald.

Risen, btw, has reported extensively on the CIA before, has written 2 books on the CIA (mostly Bush era), has had his reporting disputed by the CIA before, and has had said reporting supported by later release of documents. I doubt if the CIA views him fondly.

In short, they have more than one ax to grind. And they lie for a living.

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Response to shanny (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 07:22 AM

7. Do not care what the credentials are of who reported this

I do not believe for one second the CIA was swindled in an effort to obtain damaging info on Trump. If anything just like most of the FBI most of the CIA probably favored Trump.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:49 AM

9. Yeah, I'm sure that the CIA--

 

those well known Russia aficionados--were totally in the bag for Trump.

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Response to shanny (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:57 AM

12. Russian intel lies for a living too.

Disinformation is a russian specialty.

And this moment in history is a time for all sides to want to to control the narrative.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:09 AM

15. A truism. What's your point?

 

CIA is trying to control the narrative?
Russian Intel is trying to control the narrative?
NYT / James Risen are trying to control the narrative?

Only one of those three does not lie for a living. And this isn't their first rodeo.

I know who I am more likely to trust.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

19. Spot on.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:03 AM

14. Abramson is not super reputable

Be careful with Abramson.


Read Asha Rangappa, John Sipher, Just Security, and Lawfare. (Note Lawfare leans right, but they generally do a good job otherwise. Ignore the ex-Starr guy)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:56 AM

10. There is something truly "off" going on with Donald Trump.

Why are so many Russians trying to protect Trump and his administration?

Why is Trump so ready to use any Russian operation against the CIA as if it is a benefit to the Trump administration?


Trump and his administration should be mad that this is being discussed publicly whether it is true or not true.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:32 PM

22. Trump is a Russian asset

 

Whether willing or unwitting is the only question.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:00 AM

13. NYT needs a real public editor- their reputation is at stake

Dean baquet needs to rehire a real public editor now.


The US republic is at stake. We need a NY Times we can trust. They need to re-examine that Nov 16 story saying ďNo Trump-Russia tiesĒ. And this story.

(After the president is out of office they can examine the Judith Miller/Rizen stories. Thatís important. But it can wait a year or two.)

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:24 AM

16. Btw, it's "Risen."

 

And in what way are you trying to tie him to the disgraced Judith Miller?

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Response to shanny (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:29 AM

17. Risen has been writing about Miller

And how Risenís stories calling WMD lies were suppressed by the NYT editors who put Miller on the front page.

I believe itís in this article. But maybe the podcast with Scahill.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/03/my-life-as-a-new-york-times-reporter-in-the-shadow-of-the-war-on-terror/


Risen also did a GREAT interview with Chris Lydonís podcast on this topic.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:42 AM

18. I am aware of the back story.

 

I am just confused because your previous posts seem to indicate support for CIA over Risen, and then an apparent attempt to equate him with Miller.

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Response to shanny (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:32 PM

20. Oddly, you ask about Risen-Miller. When I provide evidence, you backtrack.

You asked for the back story and I gave it to you.

The NYT has some problems. They do good work too. I wish Dean Baquet would fix the Times. Haberman's ties to the Kushner family, and the "No Russia-Trump" story are both huge.

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