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I for one am perfectly fine with Anglo-Saxon culture being tossed in the trash (Original Post) RB TexLa Jul 2012 OP
Ho do you feel about Philistines? Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #1
How do you feel about the Hittite culture? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #2
What About The Normans? Yavin4 Jul 2012 #3
Norman is of course an abbreviation of North Men HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #11
"developed a means of record keeping for taxation" Yavin4 Jul 2012 #29
Early on, there probably wasn't too much objection to taxes. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #30
Every time I hear this ..I can't help thinking of ... AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #20
"A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine" - "From the fury of the Northmen deliver us, O Lord" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #22
Anglosaxons out! flamingdem Jul 2012 #4
Um, those 'Cornish flag wavers' are English, not in Cornwall, and waving the English flag muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #25
Thanks. I should know this flamingdem Jul 2012 #26
Somebody asked me what an Anglo-Saxon is today Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #5
I feel the same way about Celtic culture. earthside Jul 2012 #6
not sure what you mean by this, or what other cultures you dont think are viable to be kept loli phabay Jul 2012 #7
Bring on the Brazilians!!! NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #8
... ... ...OK, I think we can work with this. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #13
How do you feel about the Goths and Vandals? Swede Jul 2012 #9
I've never heard the Goths... Chan790 Jul 2012 #18
Here you go: Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #32
goths arely staircase Jul 2012 #35
At least we don't have to worry about Carthaginian culture.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #10
They have a culture??? Who the hell knew that Autumn Jul 2012 #12
I don't toss things in the trash with you!!!!! flvegan Jul 2012 #14
Well-played. Dr. Strange Jul 2012 #21
I feel like they are good at rock music and health care. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #15
I just found out I was ANGLO-SAXON DearAbby Jul 2012 #16
I like being mostly Anglo-Saxon.. ananda Jul 2012 #17
We can't because of Dr. Who. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #19
I'd be in tears...AbFab, Monty Python, Blackadder joeybee12 Jul 2012 #23
here's what I say to that: Quantess Jul 2012 #24
oh, yeah well i see that and raise you this arely staircase Jul 2012 #34
Much like I'm tossing your thread in HappyMe Jul 2012 #27
Meh, I'm the descendant of vikings in Norway and Teutonic Knights in Prussia. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #28
I for one am perfectly fine with Rex Jul 2012 #31
what are you, some kind of norman sympathizer? nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #33

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
3. What About The Normans?
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:09 PM
Jul 2012

BTW, the name "Normans" doesn't really strike fear. "Huns", "Persians", "Vikings", now those are cool names. "Normans"? Not so much.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. Norman is of course an abbreviation of North Men
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jul 2012

They were Vikings permitted to settle there by the French king (Charlemagne or LouisII?) in order to defend the coast from other Vikings. Their leader, Rollo, became RobertI Duke of Normandy after baptism. He was the great great great grandfather of William the Conqueror.
All the invading tribes- Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, were all of Northern Germanic origin, and modern english language had its origins in German.

Not to disrespect the Celts, but when the Romans withdrew from England it left a void in government and defense. Many northern Europeans moved in and set up small kingdoms. The Angles and Saxons were the ones who were ultimately successful in driving out the Danes and eventually uniting the country under a single government that organized common law, developed a means of record keeping for taxation, and provided a national defense.

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
29. "developed a means of record keeping for taxation"
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jul 2012

However, Sir Mitt of Romney refused to have his taxes recorded for fear of mocking.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. Early on, there probably wasn't too much objection to taxes.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

It was an agrarian society, land was wealth. In theory, the King owned all the land. However, it was impossible for one person to oversee. The King doled out land to Lords as rewards for loyalty and service. The peasants worked for their lords, who gave them "protection" and alloted them a small place for a vegetable garden, cow, and shack. A percentage of profits from the estates were sent to the shire Dukes. The King's representative, the "Shire Reeve" (later- "sheriff&quot appraised the profits, recconciled the number with what the area should be producing, and sent the taxes to the King. The Shire Reeve also kept an eye on the properties the King still held title to, keeping out squatters, poachers,etc. So basically, if you were paying taxes it was because the King gave you land... ignoring the forced labor of the peasants. The Kings grew wealthy, despite squandering vast amounts of money on war (which did have a payoff if they won... more land = more taxes), and elaborate estates and entourages. Not until the emergence of a wealth accumulating, relatively landless, mercantile class did there begin a resentment of taxes, and a demand for representation in government, largely in order to limit King's spending and taxing. In the Dane- held region, roughly central Britain, there was also a tax to the Danish King... Danegeld... that was assessed to all.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,294 posts)
22. "A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine" - "From the fury of the Northmen deliver us, O Lord"
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:47 AM
Jul 2012
The phrase you are looking for is, A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine, "From the fury of the Northmen deliver us, O Lord."

This phrase is alleged to have been the litany of despair raised up in every medieval church and monastic institution, starting after the first Viking raid upon Britain and continuing during the years of Scandinavian attacks upon Western Christendom. It has been shown, however, that the phrase is apocryphal 1.

No 9th century text has ever been discovered containing these words, although numerous medieval litanies and prayers contain general formulas for deliverance against unnamed enemies. The closest documentable phrase is a single sentence, taken from an antiphony for churches dedicated to St. Vaast or St. Medard: Summa pia gratia nostra conservando corpora et cutodita, de gente fera Normannica nos libera, quae nostra vastat, Deus, regna, "Our supreme and holy Grace, protecting us and ours, deliver us, God, from the savage race of Northmen which lays waste our realms"

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikfury.shtml


Plenty of fear, whether at the time, or post-dated.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,294 posts)
25. Um, those 'Cornish flag wavers' are English, not in Cornwall, and waving the English flag
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:53 AM
Jul 2012

The point is that a few people in Cornwall wanted to boycott shops using or selling the St. George's flag of England. This is the Cornish flag:

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
26. Thanks. I should know this
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:30 PM
Jul 2012

but didn't read the article carefully. I know about the black and white flag for Kernow and thought - oh this is the color version I've never seen. Truth is I haven't paid attention to the St. George flag. I'm a cornophile not an anglophile.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. I've never heard the Goths...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:36 PM
Jul 2012

The Vandals' brand of surf-rock-influenced jokey pop-punk is too cute for my tastes.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
16. I just found out I was ANGLO-SAXON
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jul 2012

fer crissakes. Granted, it isn't sharks with friggin lasers....but let me enjoy the moment.

ananda

(28,854 posts)
17. I like being mostly Anglo-Saxon..
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jul 2012

.. with some Irish and German in the mix.

I like my Irish Catholic and Anglo-Saxon cultural heritage.

But I don't like anyone using it to promote a racist agenda.
That really disgusts me.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
23. I'd be in tears...AbFab, Monty Python, Blackadder
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:50 AM
Jul 2012

Downton Abbey, Midsomer Murders and on and on and on.

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