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TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:31 PM Feb 2018

A small ray of hope?

I have an friend - and cranky, old white guy and big Trump supporter. I think we have enjoyed arguing with each other since Trump got the GOP nomination.

Today he asked - apparently sincerely - cogent, relevant questions about the Carter Page FISA warrant and why it was important. He was fact-checking what they were selling on Faux News.

Is he converted? Does he regret his vote? Is he rooting for Mueller? No, of course not. Is he, for the first time, questioning the nonsense being pushed by Faux News? Yeah, I think so.

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A small ray of hope? (Original Post) TomSlick Feb 2018 OP
Welcome to the real world, Neo. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #1
Took me a minute. Yeah, that's my hope. TomSlick Feb 2018 #4
Should be a Wray of hope! yankeepants Feb 2018 #2
Link? KatyMan Feb 2018 #3
Ah. That hadn't occurred to me. TomSlick Feb 2018 #6
well done! renate Feb 2018 #14
He was fact-checking . elleng Feb 2018 #5
Remember, the question is NOT "Why would they issue a warrant" Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #7
Sure. TomSlick Feb 2018 #8
Oh that something is Dirty Russian Money Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #10
Baby steps. TomSlick Feb 2018 #11
The three renewals has gone under the Foxxx Cone of Silence....not to mention the FISA affadivit Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #17
Some information is getting under the cone. TomSlick Feb 2018 #18
I Rec that for a ray Cha Feb 2018 #9
I flipped past FOX a few days ago and saw the Page interview Qutzupalotl Feb 2018 #12
You're braver than I. TomSlick Feb 2018 #13
Laura Ingraham is dumb and also a bad propagandist sharedvalues Feb 2018 #21
That's great. Good for you, to be there for a questioner, RandomAccess Feb 2018 #15
A good post..... Upthevibe Feb 2018 #16
Your friend is still a dumb idiot !! flying-skeleton Feb 2018 #19
He's really not. TomSlick Feb 2018 #23
This is 80% of the battle. Get people off Fox and we can take our country back sharedvalues Feb 2018 #20
You're doing Gods work amongst the heathens. meadowlander Feb 2018 #22

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
7. Remember, the question is NOT "Why would they issue a warrant"
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:38 PM
Feb 2018

"for Carter Page".

The question is "What the hell was he doing working fir that administration in the first place?"

It's important to stress he has been a suspected Russian agent for years.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
8. Sure.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:40 PM
Feb 2018

AND the fact the warrant was renewed means something was being found as does the fact that so many GOPers are in full panic mode.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. Oh that something is Dirty Russian Money
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:47 PM
Feb 2018

They all took a nice big helping. I suspect folks like the NRA were laundering it in a way. They are panicked. Turtle-man and Eddie Munster took some too.

The guys who were not involved are quitting. They know what's coming.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
11. Baby steps.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:50 PM
Feb 2018

At this point, it's enough that there was a perfectly good reason for the FISA warrant - that the warrant uncovered something - and that lots of current and former administration types are scared out of their minds.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. The three renewals has gone under the Foxxx Cone of Silence....not to mention the FISA affadivit
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:10 AM
Feb 2018

for the original warrant is 50 pages long...Foxxx wants its minions to believe the judges, appointed by CJ Roberts, also under the Cone, are fools. They are not.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
18. Some information is getting under the cone.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:26 AM
Feb 2018

Hence my friend's questions. It's not a big deal but it ain't nothing.

Qutzupalotl

(14,305 posts)
12. I flipped past FOX a few days ago and saw the Page interview
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:38 PM
Feb 2018

with Laura Ingraham (of MustardBurgerGate). She was reading paragraphs from the dossier and nervously fake-laughing like isn’t this so loopy? Let’s ask the spy himself! Crazy, right? RIGHT?!

The problem was, the passages were not that far-fetched and line up with verifiable facts... Page’s denials are to be expected, but prove nothing. I think her stunt backfired for anyone watching carefully. It was blatant propaganda, but raised more doubts than intended.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
13. You're braver than I.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:40 PM
Feb 2018

I have used the parental block on Faux News just to be sure I don't accidentally light on it.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
21. Laura Ingraham is dumb and also a bad propagandist
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:29 AM
Feb 2018

Her friends Conway and Coulter are also giant sucking leeches on America's values. But at least they're slightly better at propaganda.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
15. That's great. Good for you, to be there for a questioner,
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:43 PM
Feb 2018

to have placed yourself in a position of friendship and trust. I salute you.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
23. He's really not.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:44 PM
Feb 2018

He's just programmed - and a cranky old white guy.

I'm not giving up. If nothing else, I enjoy the argument.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
20. This is 80% of the battle. Get people off Fox and we can take our country back
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:27 AM
Feb 2018

The propaganda is the biggest problem. Fix that, and everything else follows.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
22. You're doing Gods work amongst the heathens.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:48 AM
Feb 2018

We win the 2018 midterms one water cooler conversation at a time.

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