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Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:05 PM

 

Florida Sheriff's Dangerous Idea

I was shocked and appalled watching some of the coverage this morning with all the speakers.

The sheriff seemed to really like speaking in front of the camera, and spoke at some length about HIS great idea for solving this problem (or improving it, anyway) --

He was asking for law enforcement to have the power to force those who have shown dangerous inclinations on social media to have a mental health evaluation.

Force people, against their will.

Needless to say, this would be a terrible affront to the 4th Amendment, but also a terrible weapon in the hands of people who shouldn't have such power. Like fascists and the people who willingly follow them.

So I freaked out when Trump promoted mental health as the need in his sickening speech this morning. And I've read here that that's Sessions' line as well.

Something else to be very concerned and wary about.

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RandomAccess Feb 2018 OP
Thomas Hurt Feb 2018 #1
Yavin4 Feb 2018 #3
Thomas Hurt Feb 2018 #14
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #4
janterry Feb 2018 #2
Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #5
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #6
Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #9
Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #7
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #10
Wellstone ruled Feb 2018 #8
MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #11
sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #12
obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #13

Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:10 PM

1. IMHO, that is what Trump was implying this morning....you report anything suspicious....

the Gestapo come out and violate your civil rights and (conveniently) take you in "for your own well being". (wink, wink). Have a grudge......report him or her. Local politician has a rival....report him or her.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:13 PM

3. Who do we report Trump to?

If anyone has displayed mental illness online, it's Trump.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:31 PM

14. Dear Leader can't be an emotionally stunted sociopath.....he is Dear Leader....

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:13 PM

4. Exactly

 

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:12 PM

2. I sent someone for an evaluation once, in FL

 

(well, more than once - but this once was terrible).

The teen had images of killing people, depicted in blood. He had a vague plan with real opportunity - and ability - and more that I won't say.

They held him for oh, 8 hours - did NOT give him a comprehensive evaluation (I wanted a 3 day hold and psy. testing).
Instead, I got a psychiatrist who took one look at a kid they didn't want to contain on an inpatient unit (they like those chronic low-key schizophrenics

not a powerful teenager who could be difficult to manage on a milieu. She said: Are you okay, do you have good plans for today?

He said he wanted to get discharged and go to work.

I ended up getting him major support outside, including a different psychiatrist - one would understood him and what he needed - and case management. But I'm old and know how to work a system.

I don't know if he's okay (he didn't do anything while I had him on my caseload)
but make no mistake: the system let him walk in HOURS. I was livid

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:17 PM

5. Florida already has that

It's the Baker Act which allows for an up to 72 hour involuntary commitment of someone if there is an imminent threat of them harming themselves or others. Police can Baker Act someone and transport them to a mental health crisis stabilization unit. It is up to the receiving facility to ensure the person meets criteria for being Baker Acted. A licensed psychiatrist must do an eval within 72 hours.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:22 PM

6. Well what the HELL was he yammering about then?

 

I assure you I didn't dream it.

Perhaps what he's talking about didn't fit "imminent threat of them harming themselves or others" since he was talking about social media posts and the like. That's not usually about an "imminent threat." Do you think that's it?

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:26 PM

9. Yes about the imminent threat part but

he's also a fucking moron. Anything but get rid of the guns because you know, everybody needs a military style assault weapon. Florida has weather like Cali and politics like Alabama.

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:25 PM

7. Trust me when I say that all of us DU members who live in red counties that speak freely

about what we see here would be in danger of over-police tactics.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:39 PM

10. Exactly!

 

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:25 PM

8. Going to say something that might

 

sound harsh. Noticed the Local Law Enforcement Chief or maybe he is a Sherriff,for that late in the day,his Uniform was sure pressed,neat no wrinkles,fresh shave,tie was fresh and straight,hair freshly combed and sprayed,and like someone said,he sure does like the cameras,must be running for reelection.

Looking good,sounding good,have we seen this before?

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:08 PM

11. In a way.........

I like the idea - but we need to apply it a bit differently.

Let's say you're required to get that "evaluation" when you apply for a permit to buy a gun!

No eval - no gun.

Yeah, I know, it DOES seem to make too much sense to be practical, doesn't it?

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:12 PM

12. And who's going to fund this massive program? If LE even investigated every

threat made on the internet or social media, we'd need around 5 million extra investigators.

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Response to RandomAccess (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:23 PM

13. For the record, Broward is a very blue area

Palm Beach County, Broward, and Miami-Dade. Yes, there are red pockets, but SOFL is very blue.

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