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Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:48 PM

 

Any weapon that has the words military, assault, attached to it must be banned.

They are for military use only, Its that simple.

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Reply Any weapon that has the words military, assault, attached to it must be banned. (Original post)
shockey80 Feb 2018 OP
Blue_true Feb 2018 #1
PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #2
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #7
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #8
jmowreader Feb 2018 #21
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #29
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #34
jmowreader Feb 2018 #37
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #25
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #28
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #30
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #31
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #33
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #3
Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #6
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #9
jmowreader Feb 2018 #27
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #44
shockey80 Feb 2018 #4
Adrahil Feb 2018 #12
better Feb 2018 #46
Iggo Feb 2018 #5
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #10
Kingofalldems Feb 2018 #11
Hoyt Feb 2018 #13
Kingofalldems Feb 2018 #16
Hoyt Feb 2018 #19
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #24
dchill Feb 2018 #76
EX500rider Feb 2018 #14
Iggo Feb 2018 #15
EX500rider Feb 2018 #17
Iggo Feb 2018 #22
EX500rider Feb 2018 #26
EX500rider Feb 2018 #51
Marengo Feb 2018 #59
Baconator Feb 2018 #67
edhopper Feb 2018 #18
Kingofalldems Feb 2018 #20
EX500rider Feb 2018 #23
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #32
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #40
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #42
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #45
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #47
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #48
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #49
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #72
EX500rider Feb 2018 #50
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #55
EX500rider Feb 2018 #58
Straw Man Feb 2018 #62
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #65
EX500rider Feb 2018 #70
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #71
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #36
EX500rider Feb 2018 #53
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #54
EX500rider Feb 2018 #63
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #73
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #75
edhopper Feb 2018 #39
Aristus Feb 2018 #35
Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #38
sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #41
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #43
HopeAgain Feb 2018 #52
brooklynite Feb 2018 #56
Kaleva Feb 2018 #57
Marengo Feb 2018 #60
HopeAgain Feb 2018 #64
Marengo Feb 2018 #68
HopeAgain Feb 2018 #69
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #74
HopeAgain Feb 2018 #77
Skittles Feb 2018 #61
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #66
stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #78

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:50 PM

1. Only certain police officers should have them and never as personal weapons. nt

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:51 PM

2. All that would accomplish would be the manufacturers changing the name.

We'd see things like The Peacemaker and Homeowner's Friend.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:06 PM

7. No, that would hurt sales. It would kill the gun nuts' woody.

Much like if we required ARs to be pink with Hello Kitty stickers.



ARs are sold to insrcure men with ads like this:



The micro-dick gun nuts out there buy those things because they think it makes them a big he-man Rambo soldier, because they are way too cowardly to actually enlist and stand in the line of fire for their country.

All the cosmetic features of the AR-15 that you feel are so silly to ban are exactly what sells them to these fucking idiots. Not only that but the features are of course in and of themselves dangerous to have on a civilian weapon. That is why the assault weapons ban makes sense. That and the AR-15 is an essential ingredient in the typical unhinged mass shooters' fantasy scenario.

No sane civilian should want that thing.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:06 PM

8. And sometimes not even that.

Colt's website already describes the AR-15 as a "modern sporting rifle."

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:42 PM

21. Modern sporting rifle has been the industry term for many years

They don’t like “assault rifle.”

There’s a better term, but they want to sell these to women too and calling them “penis substitutes” would totally kill that market.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:52 PM

29. Not to worry.

That's an industry that also already does everything they can to not sell guns to women.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:10 PM

34. once upon a time

Mail-order machine guns were for "protection". Public got sick of the slaughter. Maybe we're close to the point where we can regulate these "sporting rifles", now.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:23 PM

37. True story

The Thompson was “the gun that made the Twenties roar” because of gun control.

The city of Chicago wanted to cut down on crime, so they passed and ordinance, no pistols within city limits. They figured no one would take up the Thompson because it was so expensive, and exempted it from the ban. Unfortunately, the mob has lots of money.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:49 PM

25. Well, calling it a Sporting Rifle makes the microdick gun nuts think they're athletes.

I think they should be required to call it the "Rambo Wannbe Child Killer Rifle"

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:51 PM

28. You've got some weird legislative priorities.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:54 PM

30. It's weird for you to claim that is my "legislative priority."

But not as weird as you defending ARs.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:57 PM

31. Who's defending?

I just said that making them change the name from something they're already not named was a complete waste of time.

But if you'd rather engage in several levels of simultaneously pointless name-calling, about all I can do is marvel at the wasted energy.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:03 PM

33. LOL. Your post is so ironic. nt

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:54 PM

3. That infringes on my god given rights to play army man

and, hence, make up for my inadequacies.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:59 PM

6. And many gun people fit that description but some dont. The ones who dont need

to say the public good is more important than the fun they get shooting diet coke cans.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:14 PM

9. I admit, I have shot at diet coke cans

way outside of city limits on BLM land where there wasn't another soul for miles.

But it was with an old, pump action .22, not a military assault rifle.

So it is possible to have fun shooting without using a weapon designed to inflict the most damage in the least amount of time.

BTW: Here is part of the reason why Jeep people get a bad reputation. It's because of the crossover between Jeep people and paramilitary people. How would you like to be this person's neighbor?

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:50 PM

27. Too bad Im not the judge in his brandishing trial

“I hereby sentence you to enlist in the US Army as an infantryman in the 2nd Infantry Division for a period of three years. This will teach you how stupid you were to one, put a .50-caliber machine gun on top of your car like some kind of Somali warlord, and two, mount it on that flimsy-ass thing that’s going to snap off the first time you try to fire it. Bailiff, escort the defendant to the recruiting office. I already called your mom to have your birth certificate taken there.”

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:19 PM

44. If you thumb through the off road magazines, you will find companies that make these mounts

I think your comparison to a Somalian war lord is accurate. These guys try to damned hard to be militarily cool (and they spend lots of money), but they end up looking like idiot thugs.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:56 PM

4. Congress must past laws that label them.

 

This is not rocket science. We are being stupid because we are letting extremists and greedy assholes control the gun debate. Every one knows what a military assault rifle is, they know what it is for.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:21 PM

12. Good luck with that....

 

If you're going to take the "I don't know what Porn is, but I know it when I see it" tactic, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. There is money at stake and the gun industry will be perfectly happy to change things just enough to evade the law.

Let's keep it simple:

Put any magazine for a centerfire rifle or handgun that exceeds 10 rounds on the the NFA list. They are available to anyone who "needs" them, but you have to fill out the paperwork and get the NFA tax stamp. No more ordering a case of magazines online.

The ability to rapidly change large magazines is what makes these things so dangerous. Let's attack that.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:41 PM

46. Adrahil and Iggo are both correct

Congress did pass a law labeling them, and because of how poor a job they did defining assault weapons, it was much easier than it needed to have been for the NRA to get otherwise sensible and responsible gun owners to agree that the law was overreaching. That bad job of defining what they were attempting to regulate is part of why we are where we are.



This pic illustrates what I'm talking about quite well. Those are both the same rifle, both with 10 round magazines. They're also one of the least powerful calibers available, good for target practice and pest control, and not much else. But the one on the bottom, as defined by Congress, is an assault weapon, because of that hole in the stock for your thumb to rest in. And just to be clear, I do mean exactly the same rifle. Remove a couple screws and replace one piece of wood with a different piece of wood, and it becomes an assault rifle. That really is how the language of the AWB works. It's also why they could change the shape of the grip on an actual AR-15 and make it not be classified as an assault rifle, despite still being the same weapon.

Now, I suspect that neither of these rifles are what you mean when you talk about military assault rifles, but that just further illustrates the importance of defining "assault rifles" well, which thus far Congress has failed to do. And that's at least some part of why the attempt to revive the AWB in the wake of Sandy Hook failed.

But one thing it is very important to understand is that banning weapons on the basis of appearance or design, which is what the language of the AWB did, is never going to be as effective as banning specific capabilities. And that is where Adrahil's suggestion comes into play. Ban all magazines holding more than 10 rounds, and it suddenly becomes a great deal less important what the weapon looks like, because you've changed what it can do.

Hell, I could even go for fixed mags for civilian weapons. My paper and steel targets aren't shooting back, and I'm reloading my one magazine every ten shots anyway. I don't particularly care whether it comes out of the gun or not. But trying to ban features like thumb holes that have zero impact on capability only creates unnecessary resistance to getting something actually effective done.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:58 PM

5. You just gave the terminology-sidestepper-gunfuckers a boner.

That's exactly what they want to hear.

They want you to try to ban something by its nickname so they can say that there's no such thing.

It's a favorite game of theirs. (And one I like to watch them play, I admit.)

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:16 PM

10. That's...not how it works.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:20 PM

11. ,,,,,

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:23 PM

13. +100. And those, and similar, rifles can be used for intimidation, not just killing sprees.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:33 PM

16. Gun hicks on the march.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:40 PM

19. LMAO. That one made me spit my coffee.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:47 PM

24. Looks more like a waddle to me.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:31 AM

76. +1000

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:27 PM

14. So, 400+- dead a year from rifles terrible but 9,000 dead from pistols, meh?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:29 PM

15. Hooray! The score-keepers have arrived!

That's not 400 vs 9000.

That's 9400.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:35 PM

17. Trying to ban rifles won't budge the much larger number if anyone actually cares.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:42 PM

22. Those people are dead. They're not coming back. Absolutely nothing will change that number downward.

It only goes up.

This is not a game. Stop keeping score.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:49 PM

26. Gotta ya, you don't care, somehow 300 is worse then 9,000.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:30 PM

51. Figuring out what does the most damage is more common sense then "keeping score"

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Response to Iggo (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:53 PM

59. A larger number of people were murdered with knives or other cutting instruments than with rifles...

 

Are they less important? Less dead?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:16 PM

67. Do you care about the number or the means?

The kill count for quite a few other things easily surpasses rifles or pistols.

Do you care about those in equivalent measure?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:39 PM

18. Are you saying not to ban assault rifles at all

or it is not enough and we must address handgun regulation ALSO?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:42 PM

20. Sure looks like it from here.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:45 PM

23. I am saying if you actually care about how may people die then pistols do all the killing.

I also think zeroing in on rifles that kill 300 to 400 a year while ignoring the 42,000 who die from poison or 33,000 who die in car crashes or the 31,000 who die in falls every year seems more about hating firearms then actually trying to prevent tragic deaths.
YMMV


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:00 PM

32. Nice NRA talking point you got there.

And extra points for citing the CDC, which has been been banned for over a decade from doing gun death research, thanks to our NRA-dick-sucking Republicans.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:59 PM

40. Saying "NRA talking point(s)" is no different than saying "Fake news"

 

They are both 'thought-terminating cliches' :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clich%C3%A9#Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9

Thought-terminating clichés, also known as thought-stoppers,[16] are words or phrases that discourage critical thought and meaningful discussion about a given topic.[17] They are typically short, generic truisms that offer seemingly simple answers to complex questions or that distract attention away from other lines of thought.[17] They are often sayings that have been embedded in a culture's folk wisdom and are tempting to say because they often sound true or good or like the right thing to say.[16] Some examples are: "Stop thinking so much",[18] "here we go again",[19] and "what effect do my actions have?"[16]

The term was popularized by psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton in his 1961 book, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China.[17] Lifton wrote, "The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis".[20] Sometimes they are used in a deliberate attempt to shut down debate, manipulate others to think a certain way, or dismiss dissent. However, some people repeat them, even to themselves, out of habit, conditioning or as a defense mechanism.[16][21]


We'll all be here if and when you choose to discuss what that poster actually said...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:01 PM

42. The whataboutism of the talking point is designed to end discussion re ARs.

So please spare me your protestations that you want to discuss.



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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:37 PM

45. Well, *do* you want to band handguns as well? If not, banning rifles is mere security theater if...

 

...the goal is to reduce deaths by gun.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:54 PM

47. Man, you guys are persistant, I'll grant you that.

I'm not going to play your game.

Defending ARs is shameful.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:23 PM

48. Persistence works. Gun control activists tend to get distracted after a while...

 

...and are as easily played as any low-information NRA member. Remember, the progun side aren't
the only ones engaged in culture war- they've just been better at using it to motivate voters

That, and ongoing problem with thinking that money and votes can be countered with Facebook likes.

The progun side has three major players (The Republican Party -with the NRA being their armed wing,
the Second Amendment Foundation, and the Russian Government) All three shovel money into politics.

The antigun movement is Balkanized, and can't come up with nearly as much $$ as the other side.



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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:44 PM

49. Yes, we have a life and are not obsessed with any one thing.

But there are a lot more of us than there are of them, even though the progun side has the money and the zeal of the gun nuts.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:38 AM

72. "(T)here are a lot more of us than there are of them" *They* vote like clockwork, and...

 

...politicians and the NRA are well aware of that fact.

If young people can start showing up in large numbers at the polls on a regular basis, the
stalemate could be broken.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:29 PM

50. So it's a NRA talking point that pistols do 97% of the killing or just the truth?

FBI has the stats for gun use every year.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:46 PM

55. You're deflecting from ARs. I won't play that game. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:51 PM

58. Because the laser focus on a particular model of semi-auto rifles is stupid.

Outlaw and somehow collect all AR-15's and the next wacko just uses another model and brand.

Or do you really thing someone who is sick enough to want to kill a bunch of people would say "Oh darn, I can't get the AR-15, guess I will give up my sick plan" instead of using another type of firearm?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:25 PM

62. Bingo.

Outlaw and somehow collect all AR-15's and the next wacko just uses another model and brand.

And if you outlaw all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines, the wackos will rediscover the pump shotgun full of 00 buckshot: 7 shells, each containing 9 pellets = 63 projectiles going downrange before a reload. There's a reason they were called "trench brooms" in the First World War.

There is no simple technological solution to this problem. The question no one is asking is why increasing numbers of people are eager to slaughter as many of their fellow humans as they can. HINT: The answer isn't "Because gunz." It's something much deeper and more complex. The notion that a piece of legislation could solve this overnight is beyond wishful thinking -- it's magical thinking, bolstered by a lot of faulty logic and factoids.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:12 PM

65. It's a start.

Thank you for your concern.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #65)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:14 AM

70. Yes, getting rid of one model of rifles out of hundreds ought to do wonders...

....or not.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #70)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:35 AM

71. Your concern is duly noted. nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:19 PM

36. accidents equal murder?

I don't follow your argument.

Mass shootings are deliberate murders and attempted murders. The statistics you cite do not separate accidents from deliberate murders.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:35 PM

53. I am saying all deaths are tragic and you are just as dead regardless of means.

Outlawing all rifles and killers will move to pistols, death count won't budge much if at all. With murder it is the intent, not the means.

Figure out how to lower the major causes of premature death like falls and poison will save more people from tragic ends.
60,000 dead a year is a seriously big number and dwarfs the 300+ who get shot by rifles.

Lower rifle deaths by 10% and you saved 30 people. Lower falls/poison deaths by 10% and you saved 6,000 people.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:42 PM

54. statistics disagree with you

The death count does "budge" where gun control is implemented.
See, e.g.,

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016201712


There is a terror factor involved in these mass shootings and murders that does not attach to accidental deaths. It is not just a matter of comparing body counts.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:34 PM

63. Which country outlawed semi-auto rifles of a certain type and not pistols and moved their rate?

I am guessing none.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:49 AM

73. You forgot a couple paragraphs from the article cited at that link. By accident, I'm sure:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/nyregion/florida-shooting-parkland-gun-control-connecticut.html?

There is no doubt that there are limits to state and local gun laws. Cities like Chicago and Baltimore, with rigorous gun laws, also have two of the highest murder rates in the country. The black market for illegal guns has thrived in those cities, with gang members and criminals turning to the streets to get firearms.

And the drop in fatal shootings in Connecticut has occurred in the context of a broad, long-term decline in violent crime across the country. Citing F.B.I. statistics, the Pew Research Center reports that violent crime fell 48 percent from 1993 to 2016.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:21 AM

75. no, didn't forget

There are a lot of paragraphs from the article that I did not post, but the link apparently works for anyone to read the rest.

It's very easy to drive into cities and thus, I presume, easy to sell weapons both legally and illegally.

None of this is evidence that we should do nothing but send thoughts and prayers after mass shootings.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:43 PM

39. That is straight

NRA - Right Wing bull crap. I almost never alert, but I am tempted to here.

But I won't, because keeping this post shows how you are shilling for the NRA.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:17 PM

35. That's why the gun-fucks are so feverishly trying to get us to stop

calling them"assault rifles".

They blather on and on (and on and on and on and...) about barrel length, grip length, magazine capacity, anything they can think of that sounds technical enough to lent weight to a stupid argument.

The most ludicrous result of their argument is that they want a weapon that can kill large numbers of people very rapidly with minimal re-load time, but they don't want it to have a scary name...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:41 PM

38. If it's not a complete ban, you're going to have to get technical at some point

Either everything goes away as a group, or we're going to have to draw a line very precisely. Honestly, previous attempts to draw that line, like the 1994 ban, could stand improvement. Until society is ready to do away with them as a whole, we've got to get better about describing what we'll accept. We found out in 1994 that bayonet lugs and flash hiders are just cosmetic, for example. Use that going forward.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:06 PM

41. That is not all.

There are other guns that have the same capacity to kill and can hold the same clips, but don't look like anything more than an old 22 rifle I have for critter control on my land. We have to go after clip sizes, not what a gun looks like. This is what the did in 85. Nothing over 15 rounds I think.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:04 PM

43. We need to do both. nt

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:33 PM

52. Gunsplainers come here to South Florida

and tell the parents of the dead children all about armaments and all about why we cannot. People who don't want a solution can't find one.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:47 PM

56. So that lets out the AR-50?

...since that’s not part of its name?

It is officially the “AR-50™ .50BMG Bolt-Action Rifle”

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:49 PM

57. The gun industry wants people to call them "Modern Sporting Rifles"

Which would then get around your proposed ban.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:02 PM

60. Would that include the United States Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:40 PM

64. If it can kill a lot of people quickly, then the answer is yes

People who don't want a solution can't see a solution.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:29 PM

68. Define a lot. The rifle I mentioned in commonly referred to as the Krag, models of 1892-99...

 

Fixed, 5 round hand loaded magazine. A military rifle nonetheless.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #68)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:45 PM

69. I get it, it's so complicated

let's just keep having large groups of children die.

Like I said, its easy not to find a solution if you aren't looking for one.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #69)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:50 AM

74. If you want to ban something, details matter

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #74)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:43 AM

77. Children matter

Congress can get to the details. That is what we elect them for. By throwing details up as an obstacle you are either buying NRA propaganda or trying to protect guns you don't need. I don't ejaculate over rapid fire weapons so I don't know the details.

I grew up in the West and my grandfather hunted sucessfully with a bolt-action rifle.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:04 PM

61. so SICK of the gun humping apologist cowards

FUCK THEM ALL

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Response to Skittles (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:15 PM

66. +1

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:50 AM

78. K&R

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