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katsy

(4,246 posts)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:04 PM Jul 2012

CNN just reported infrastructure at risk.

The country's Infrastructure is melting and buckling from high temperatures.

I'd like to see the "I built this by my lonesome" gang step up to the plate and pay for the infrastructure repair that services their business.

I doubt they pay enough in taxes to cover even a small fraction of the cost of what we, collectively built.

It really does take a village to make good things happen.

No link as it was a CNN segment.

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CNN just reported infrastructure at risk. (Original Post) katsy Jul 2012 OP
Probably no one saw it. deaniac21 Jul 2012 #1
Major highways in Missour started buckling two weeks ago, MadHound Jul 2012 #2
Local Water Dept. heavy Cat on our asphalt street left damage dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #14
I saw it and here's an article from the NYT: Weather Extremes Leave Parts of U.S. Grid Buckling maddezmom Jul 2012 #3
Thank you for the article. katsy Jul 2012 #4
Some very interesting remarks at the end of the article. nt Grey Jul 2012 #15
I agree, it seems the federal government is dragging ass in regards to climate change. Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #25
Most of our infrastructure was built when top marginal tax rates were 70-91% LongTomH Jul 2012 #21
Really good article with some really dumb people making really dumb comments below it. nc4bo Jul 2012 #28
Gee Wiz how about that gopiscrap Jul 2012 #5
Exactly. nt katsy Jul 2012 #13
There was a 48" water main that broke BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #6
Wait, global climate change is not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #7
and the RR tracks in illinois did not buckle in the heat and a train did not derail Botany Jul 2012 #11
Gonna party like it's 1899!! YEAH!! HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #8
well NO SHIT Skittles Jul 2012 #9
LOL. okay then. katsy Jul 2012 #12
Yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan get all sorts of new infrastructure Plucketeer Jul 2012 #24
Good article Nevernose Jul 2012 #10
Global warming deniers have minds??? Wow! lastlib Jul 2012 #30
Sounds like someone is paving the way for a public works project. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #16
If only...(n/t) deutsey Jul 2012 #19
DUH!! Zoeisright Jul 2012 #17
They all cheat heavily on their taxes. If we could fund the IRS (sounds bad even to me) we Dustlawyer Jul 2012 #18
The end of the consumer empire of the most powerful military power in human history is here n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2012 #20
I realized that as I looked at the ruins of the Minneapolis bridge NickB79 Jul 2012 #22
The Crumbling of America Ineeda Jul 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author elleng Jul 2012 #26
Honestly, I thought we'd gotten rid of our infrastructure back in 2006 or so Orrex Jul 2012 #27
Durn Liberal Media; greiner3 Jul 2012 #29
Well, weather aside, this is what happens when you don't want to pay taxes. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #31
K & R OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #32
 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
2. Major highways in Missour started buckling two weeks ago,
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jul 2012

Two weeks later, they're really starting to get dangerous.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. Local Water Dept. heavy Cat on our asphalt street left damage
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jul 2012

half the street is now cracked and wavy, from where the machine drove down to the problem water line and then sat for a day at one house.
Usually road machines do not leave much marks of their passing.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
3. I saw it and here's an article from the NYT: Weather Extremes Leave Parts of U.S. Grid Buckling
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jul 2012

Weather Extremes Leave Parts of U.S. Grid Buckling


WASHINGTON — From highways in Texas to nuclear power plants in Illinois, the concrete, steel and sophisticated engineering that undergird the nation’s infrastructure are being taxed to worrisome degrees by heat, drought and vicious storms.

On a single day this month here, a US Airways regional jet became stuck in asphalt that had softened in 100-degree temperatures, and a subway train derailed after the heat stretched the track so far that it kinked — inserting a sharp angle into a stretch that was supposed to be straight. In East Texas, heat and drought have had a startling effect on the clay-rich soils under highways, which “just shrink like crazy,” leading to “horrendous cracking,” said Tom Scullion, senior research engineer with the Texas Transportation Institute at Texas A&M University. In Northeastern and Midwestern states, he said, unusually high heat is causing highway sections to expand beyond their design limits, press against each other and “pop up,” creating jarring and even hazardous speed bumps.

Excessive warmth and dryness are threatening other parts of the grid as well. In the Chicago area, a twin-unit nuclear plant had to get special permission to keep operating this month because the pond it uses for cooling water rose to 102 degrees; its license to operate allows it to go only to 100. According to the Midwest Independent System Operator, the grid operator for the region, a different power plant had had to shut because the body of water from which it draws its cooling water had dropped so low that the intake pipe became high and dry; another had to cut back generation because cooling water was too warm.

The frequency of extreme weather is up over the past few years, and people who deal with infrastructure expect that to continue. Leading climate models suggest that weather-sensitive parts of the infrastructure will be seeing many more extreme episodes, along with shifts in weather patterns and rising maximum (and minimum) temperatures.

more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/us/rise-in-weather-extremes-threatens-infrastructure.html

Uncle Joe

(58,348 posts)
25. I agree, it seems the federal government is dragging ass in regards to climate change.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:31 PM
Jul 2012


Even when state and local officials know what they want to do, they say they do not always get the cooperation they would like from the federal government. Many agencies have officially expressed a commitment to plan for climate change, but sometimes the results on the ground can be frustrating, said Ms. Minter of Vermont. For instance, she said, Vermont officials want to replace the old culverts with bigger ones. “We think it’s an opportunity to build back in a more robust way,” she said. But the Federal Emergency Management Agency wants to reuse the old culverts that washed out, or replace them with similar ones, she said.

Ms. Arroyo of Georgetown said the federal government must do more. “They are not acknowledging that the future will look different from the past,” she said, “and so we keep putting people and infrastructure in harm’s way.”

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
21. Most of our infrastructure was built when top marginal tax rates were 70-91%
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jul 2012

Actually 91% under Eisenhower when he built the Federal Highway System to 70% under JFK and LBJ, when we went to the moon. Sadly, things are going to have to fall apart even more before we can get a Congress willing to raise the top marginal rates, so buckle down for some really hard times.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
28. Really good article with some really dumb people making really dumb comments below it.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jul 2012

If it isn't climate change, it'd be lack of maintenance due to dozens of reasons.

Can't stand deniers, whiners and the anti-government and anti-union asshat comments they make .

gopiscrap

(23,756 posts)
5. Gee Wiz how about that
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:45 PM - Edit history (1)

once again the fucking Tea Party ass hats might get what they wish for: a government that can't help them!

BumRushDaShow

(128,826 posts)
6. There was a 48" water main that broke
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jul 2012

in South Philadelphia earlier this week. They had to evacuate people in boats. I think I saw estimates that it was either built around 1896 or 1918 (the last time a big main was done in the area).

http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-25/news/32828814_1_21st-and-bainbridge-streets-water-infrastructure-water-system

And after 2 of the worst winters on record (2010 & 2011) and the hottest and wettest on record (2011), and this year approaching another hottest on record, the stuff can't take it anymore.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Wait, global climate change is not
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jul 2012

Real...so the roadway (the most obvious) cannot be buckling..damn lib'rul press...

Botany

(70,489 posts)
11. and the RR tracks in illinois did not buckle in the heat and a train did not derail
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jul 2012


I was at a party last night and had a man tell that he did no believe that man made climate change is real.

After I asked him if he thought man made green house gases were causing global temps to rise and he
said no i just turned and walked away from him. The science and data are there for all to see and
the denial of these facts are like a religion to some people.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
8. Gonna party like it's 1899!! YEAH!!
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jul 2012

Tea-stonia is finally exploding . . . right along with Reagan's vision . . . fitting . . .

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
24. Yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan get all sorts of new infrastructure
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

- built to handle high temps no less. Here, they can't afford to turn the school's AC on when school starts!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
10. Good article
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jul 2012

And the responses, while mostly positive, also provide a fascinating glimpse into the minds of global warming deniers.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
18. They all cheat heavily on their taxes. If we could fund the IRS (sounds bad even to me) we
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:49 PM
Jul 2012

could collect the taxes at the current rate and have enough. We just have to have Government fund the starving regulatory agencies (and watch that they are not continually co-opted by the moneyied interests), and we would all be better off. But, it all starts with campaign finance reform. Until that happens, forget about it!

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
22. I realized that as I looked at the ruins of the Minneapolis bridge
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

From the U of MN campus when it collapsed back in 2007.

This country is held together with duct tape and prayers at this point. Large portions of our electrical grid are decades outdated, and require constant maintanence to prevent massive blackouts. If anyone really reported on how close to collapse large portions of our society are to collapse, they're be widespread panic.

We need a trillions of dollars to update our infrastructure. Unfortunately, some dumbass blew all the money we had on a couple of pointless wars.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
23. The Crumbling of America
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jul 2012

a History Channel documentary first aired in 2009, I believe. Damns, levees, bridges, tunnels, electric grid, water and sewer systems, roads and highways, etc. -- it's all been neglected and has deteriorated to critical and dangerous levels.

Response to katsy (Original post)

Orrex

(63,200 posts)
27. Honestly, I thought we'd gotten rid of our infrastructure back in 2006 or so
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:38 PM
Jul 2012

This is all news to me.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
31. Well, weather aside, this is what happens when you don't want to pay taxes.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jul 2012

Bridges fall, roads crumble.

But keep on bitchin' that taxes are too high.

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