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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:13 PM Feb 2018

My theory on why the MSDHS students have been so vocal:

Sandy Hook was a little over five years ago.

The students at Stoneman Douglas were only a couple of years older than the student victims at Sandy Hook. They were old enough to have a conscious memory of that horrible day and probably associate in some way with the students killed there. They probably haven't forgotten those feelings of vulnerability.

It's a generational thing, and they are the generation of school massacres.

It's as though the tragedy followed them.

Different schools, different states, different shooters, but the same exact problem.

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My theory on why the MSDHS students have been so vocal: (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 OP
Good insights - Demographics may be insightful as well OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #1
Lots more opportunities in a big school, imho Canoe52 Feb 2018 #12
I have read that once a high school gets above about a thousand students, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #18
Thats an interesting point, Canoe52 Feb 2018 #22
It does make a difference who the parents are, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #23
My class had nearly 500 kids in it DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #29
Maybe, too, they have good history, civics, current events classes... targetpractice Feb 2018 #2
Perhaps they understand who the woman the school was named after fierywoman Feb 2018 #3
Good point, probably lost on most non Floridians. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 #4
From what I understand, she was also a Suffragette (?sp) and fierywoman Feb 2018 #5
Excellent point malaise Feb 2018 #8
I can't help but think that MSD's soul -- wherever it is residing -- fierywoman Feb 2018 #15
We need to get the backs of these young adults. Conservatives will rally to shame them for speaking ffr Feb 2018 #6
Yes, and their passion can ignite a movement flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #9
I agree completely. dameatball Feb 2018 #21
It looks like they've had some damned fine teachers. madamesilverspurs Feb 2018 #7
This school is in a well-to-do area DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #10
I think we are at a higher boiling point, too. Gore1FL Feb 2018 #11
Good point DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #30
They have nothing to lose. They've already stared death in the face. Tatiana Feb 2018 #13
Very observant Generic Brad Feb 2018 #14
Area went for HRC two for one rufus dog Feb 2018 #16
They are the OBAMA generation. rainin Feb 2018 #17
I was born in 48 and in high school knew nothing about Viet Nam. No one did. LiberalArkie Feb 2018 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #20
Excellent point, Tommy Cha Feb 2018 #24
Your theory is borne out by statements from MSDHS students. Nitram Feb 2018 #25
Orlando is only 3 hours away Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #26
I was in grad school during Vietnam greymattermom Feb 2018 #27
They are being vocal because the cameras are letting them tell their story randr Feb 2018 #28

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
1. Good insights - Demographics may be insightful as well
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:23 PM
Feb 2018

DEMOGRAPHICS from Wikipedia


....."Academics

Newsweek magazine's 2009 national ranking of high schools rated Douglas as No. 208 in the U.S., and No. 38 in Florida, which was the highest ranking of any school in Broward County.[5]

Stoneman Douglas had a Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test (FCAT) school grade of "A" for the 2011-2012 academic year.

Demographics

As of 2015–2016, the total student enrollment was 3,158. The ethnic makeup of the school was 59% White, 12% Black, 20% Hispanic, 7% Asian and 2% multiracial. 23% of the students were eligible for free or reduced lunch....."

My high school had 400 students. Everyone knew each other.

Thousands of students in one school. No way the needs of all students can be met, imho.


Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
12. Lots more opportunities in a big school, imho
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:05 PM
Feb 2018

I went to a school of 4,000, my kids school 350. So many more and varied activities in a big school to fit kids with varied interests. And academically for example, instead of one chemistry class, there are several to fit different levels.

Participation in the school choir was very high in my kids high school however. Curious, I asked why and my kids told me for that class period the only choice was go to choir or sit through a boring study hall, so most kids would go to choir because it was more fun.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
18. I have read that once a high school gets above about a thousand students,
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:54 PM
Feb 2018

the only thing that gets better is athletics. Academic performance either stagnates or goes down.

Yes, larger schools can offer more choices about various things, but at some point there's a trade-off.

Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
22. Thats an interesting point,
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:02 PM
Feb 2018

My experience in school was in an area with a large proportion of college educated parents, therefore an emphasis on academics in the school.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
23. It does make a difference who the parents are,
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:29 PM
Feb 2018

how well educated and how invested they are in their children getting a good education.

Unfortunately, in far too many schools even in those districts, athletics can take precedence over academics far too often.

I know of at least one city in Kansas that for years resisted a dire need for a second high school so they could remain large enough to dominate high school football in that state. I rather suspect that academics suffered in that high school.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
29. My class had nearly 500 kids in it
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 09:06 AM
Feb 2018

and the 10-12 high school had nearly 1600. We had every kind of club you could imagine and both non-college (business) and college prep tracks. The district offered summer school for students who wanted to take regular track classes so they could take more advanced classed during the regular school year. I got a great education there. Now my alma mater, due to the collapse of area manufacturing, population loss and people segregating themselves, has around 100 kids in each class. While it's still competitive in athletics, there are far fewer sports, and while it offers AP classes, there's a minimum 5 student requirement. There are still high achiever students graduating, but it's a different day.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
2. Maybe, too, they have good history, civics, current events classes...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:25 PM
Feb 2018

... All the students I've seen on TV seem woke to politics.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
4. Good point, probably lost on most non Floridians.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:08 PM
Feb 2018

And probably some Floridians as well.

Marjory Stoneman Douglas was a vocal advocate for preservation of the Everglades, an invaluable ecosystem for the state.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
6. We need to get the backs of these young adults. Conservatives will rally to shame them for speaking
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

out, probably even threaten them and their families.

We need to be there for them with more than thoughts and prayers. They'll need our support, our backing, our participation, and to share the weight of their burden if we're going to make change.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
9. Yes, and their passion can ignite a movement
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:54 PM
Feb 2018

They can be the generation that makes voting cool. All they need is our support and encouragement.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
10. This school is in a well-to-do area
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

The parents are likely high achieving and expect the same from their kids. This isn't meant as a knock or criticism of other schools in less affluent areas, just a recognition of the realities in our public school system today.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
11. I think we are at a higher boiling point, too.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:00 PM
Feb 2018

Trump's antics for the past year in office, and years before that has raised the tension and lowered the tolerance of many. I think the rising tide of bile has simply made it easier to call bullshit.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
30. Good point
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 09:10 AM
Feb 2018

I was a soph in HS when the Kent State shootings happened. This was all wrapped around Woodstock, the Summer of Love, the VN war protests, race riots, etc. We talked current events just about every day in class. It activated a lot of kids' interest in politics. I'm sure it's similar for the kids in school now.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
13. They have nothing to lose. They've already stared death in the face.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:06 PM
Feb 2018

They see a purpose -- something bigger than themselves. These kids are literally trying to prevent what happened to them from happening to others in this nation.

They are courageous, brave, talented leaders and I hope our country hears their message.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
14. Very observant
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:18 PM
Feb 2018

That explains why they are not taking this lying down. Times have changed. This is the Terry Schiavo moment of overreach by this current Congress.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
16. Area went for HRC two for one
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:22 PM
Feb 2018

So not tRump Country. And they are pissed like the majority of Americans with half a brain.

Welcome to next phase in tRump's America. The majority of people are pissed off and the Deplorables will live in denial.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
17. They are the OBAMA generation.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Feb 2018

My kids are only a few years older than these kids. Their formative years were during Obama's presidency. These kids get it just like mine do. My kids went to a school that is a mirror of MSDHS and graduates very competitive kids who go on to competitive colleges and universities.

I believe that Obama's legacy lives on in these kids. Our family is grateful they grew up when they did.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
19. I was born in 48 and in high school knew nothing about Viet Nam. No one did.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:55 PM
Feb 2018

But when we got of high school and started working, we would find friends who were drafted and ended up getting killed and then we woke up. Young people have that mentality of it cannot happen to me. Watch me jump off this ridge into the lake. Never think that there are rocks under the water. etc.

It may have hit critical mass. A lot of the kids at that school will be 18, they will have friends who are 18. Hopefully someone their age will run a GOTV.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
27. I was in grad school during Vietnam
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 06:14 PM
Feb 2018

and I protested, marched to Washington, did what I could. It was personal to me as I saw it as the government wanting to kill my boyfriend, even though he was Canadian, too skinny, and had vision too poor for them. This is like that. Personal.

randr

(12,409 posts)
28. They are being vocal because the cameras are letting them tell their story
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:14 PM
Feb 2018

After past such incidents the media turned their attention to the talking heads that always pop up like pimples on a bare ass. The same rhetoric has been heard over and over the the point the it is now scripted.
The war against the media that Trump has initiated has caused the media to turn their cameras in a different direction.

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