Think back to all of your teachers from elementary thru high school....

[NightWatcher]

How many of them would you want to have been armed at the time?

Me, one. A high school science teacher who served as a medic in the Army.

How many of them with a gun is a terrifying idea?

Me, several. There was the high school language teacher who had two nervous breakdowns in class, one of which I saw. There were the husband and wife teachers in elementary who during their divorce had screaming matches in the hallways. There was the teacher that punched a kid and was fired, glad he didn't have a gun, he'd have shot the kid.

How long after teachers start carrying will a student get shot by the teacher? How long until a student gets the teacher's gun away from them and shoots someone else?

Pay for more school resource officers who are accredited and train on their weapons biannually.

[highmindedhavi]

1. how many kids were on pysche meds?

we need to also talk about the drugs these shooter are on

[hunter]

14. Not this shit again...

I think one of the first indications that somebody might be a little "off" is that they want to buy a gun for anything other than utilitarian purposes.

No, I don't count "self defense" as a utilitarian purpose. Guns are too ineffective and overly dangerous for that.

We've got to denormalize gun fetishes. Most new guns are sold to people who already have a shitload. The gun manufacturers are playing them all for suckers.

Gun fetishes are destructive. This nation will be a much better place when most of the existing guns are thrown into the furnace and recycled into something useful.

wikipedia

[handmade34]

29. "We've got to denormalize gun fetishes"

not only denormalize, but uncool, not acceptable, wimpish, weak, etc.... this is a very good start...

we need to take care of each other

[MFM008]

26. Medications

Have kept kids from BECOMING school shooters.
It's the GUNS not the PILLS.

[gopiscrap]

2. my teachers from grade one to eight were nuns

I highly doubt they would be willing to tote guns

[WillowTree]

20. I dunno. I had one, Sister Peter Nicholas, who probably would have.

That was one scary lady.

[eleny]

25. Me, too

Sister Wilfred in the 8th grade.

[Kittycow]

31. I was picturing my nun teacher

digging around in her voluminous habit pockets trying to find the thing.

[eleny]

32. How true! Those pockets could have held an encyclopedia

[underpants]

3. My middle school art teacher drank a lot

Rode his motorcycle on the outdoor walkways. Sounds like a good fit to me.

[LisaM]

4. My dad was a teacher at my high school. Our teachers were family friends.

They were and are fine people and good teachers. Not only would I not want them to come to classes armed, I think it's hugely unfair to suddenly put someone in the position of being told they need to carry a gun to go to work. They taught biology and directed bands and led the yearbook staff and took us to Canada to watch Shakespeare plays. I strongly believe none of them would have been as effective as teachers if they'd been carrying guns (and we could scrap the trips to Stratford, Ontario, because I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't let a bus with an armed teacher across the border).

[lapfog_1]

9. At this point I would be surprised that Canada is letting in ANY

US citizens... our entire country (a significant portion of it) has gone batshit crazy.

[Vinca]

5. The thought of Madame McKenzie (French I) with a gun makes me laugh out loud.

I can't think of a single teacher I've ever had who would think this was a good idea.

[ExciteBike66]

6. I had a gym teacher who probably would have shot us if he was armed... nt

[tblue37]

13. Mr. A, our science teacher, put a boy's head through the blackboard once.

Imagine if he had been armed when he lost his temper!

[lapfog_1]

7. and even the SROs need more frequent training

something like 20 hours a month...

Executive function training to determine WHO to shoot... followed by muscle memory training to draw the weapon, aim it, shoot the target and try very hard not to miss or shoot bystanders.

And even then you are facing down a shooter who likely has a gun that has more firepower, does more damage (one round from a AR-15 can kill you even if it DOES NOT initially hit a major organ or blood vessel, just from the shock wave of the bullet and then the bullet tumble and fragmentation inside your body) and, finally, can get off more rounds than you can with your concealed carry pistol

[mainstreetonce]

8. Think of the small elementary school with a 50 member faculty.

None of that 50 happen to be gun trained.

How do they get ten gun trained teachers?

Hire people who are gun trained but not the best teachers?

The president is not thinking about teachers are employees of local communities.

There can't be federal law that tells school boards who to hire.

He's talking about a proposal that is not only dangerous,it is not possible to implement.

[NightWatcher]

10. ... and when the first armed teacher shoots an innocent kid (later that week), what then?

Why not just have unicorns patrol the schools, it's about as practical.

[tblue37]

16. Just as a general principle, the kind of person who chooses a career in teaching,

especially in the lower grades, is not the same kind of person as one who chooses a career in law enforcement, or one who goes into the infantry.

[mainstreetonce]

22. Correct

The typical faculty of a small elementary school is 90 percent female. There would be a high number of new college graduates and people with many years of experience working toward retirement. Number interested in gun training would be very small.

[HAB911]

11. The ones who would want to have a gun

are exactly the ones that should never be allowed near one. That's right Coach Bradford, I'm talkin' about you, you fat ass nazi.

[TryingNot2Freak]

12. From grade school through junior high . . .

I personally witnessed two violent, unprovoked attacks by teachers on students, and knew of a third that happened in a class I wasn't in. I saw many other incidents of abuse that did not rise the the level of physical assault, but some of these teachers obviously hated the kids. In elementary school, I was singled out for mistreatment by one teacher so badly that my parents had to get me moved to another classroom.

In terms of mental health and character, teachers are no better than the general population and no safer handling guns. No effing way I would have wanted some of the ones in my district to have guns in the classroom. They were dangerous enough without them.

[Quiet_Dem_Mom]

15. Most of my teachers were older women, not exactly OK Corral types

My kids are in school and they've had some 'meh' teachers, a couple of not-great teachers and quite a number of awesome ones...and one with some anger-management issues--not one of them springs into mind as the gun-toting hero in a republican fairy tale.

If a teacher was a well-trained crackshot, then their focus would be stopping the threat. Doesn't that put more kids in danger? Teachers that move their students to safety are going to have a better chance to save more kids in an active shooter scenario. And as fast as those things can pop off rounds (or whatever the correct jargon is), the teacher isn't going to have the reaction time to do both.

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[pintobean]

17. Who says they weren't?

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[PoorMonger]

18. I can only think of one

Who MIGHT have been competent enough a 7th grade science teacher who I believe was a Sargent in the national guard. Thing is, I’m 99% sure he’d never have wanted one in his classroom.

I can think of several who would possibly carry if allowed - but not a single one of them come across as types who’d make me feel comfortable in a crisis. There was one English teacher that lifted a lot of weights who I saw tackle a kid in a fight once. Someone came and took the kid to the admin office and then I saw the teacher grinning as he dusted himself off. I’ll never forget how pleased he seemed with his quick action it was strikingly similar to the look that kids get when they ‘win’ a fight in public.

In high school we had a campus security guard who just loved to chase kids down. He knew who he thought were ‘bad kids’ and actively harassed them. Now some kids were honestly terrible to him in return and he got punched and elbowed on separate occasions , though the time he got elbowed he had decided to grab a kid from behind as the kid was walking out the door. Turned out the kid was having a panic attack and didn’t even know who was putting hands on him. I can scarcely imagine what he’d have been like if they’d given him a gun and authority to use it.

[gibraltar72]

19. Ok let's do that

One wrote a book that told the history of revolvers. Good guy but kinda out there. My algebra teacher was also my Rifle team instructor. He would have been good with a long gun, sidearm I'm not sure. By the by he was a letch with the girls in high school. My neighbor and geography teacher served in WW2 great guy. He ate his 9MM Luger he brought home from Germany.Lleaving a beautiful wife and 2 girls.My eighth grade home room teacher would have thrown an eraser at them. I can tell you from experience she had a hell of an arm.

[boston bean]

21. Use to crank call the history teacher who was also the varsity bball coach who was a raging lunatic.

Got his wife on the phone one time and we said to her “your husband is a fucking asshole”. She said ‘“ tell me something I don’t know”. And clicked the phone.

We Laughed our asses off for a Long time!

He didn’t need to have a gun. But probably would have been the first to volunteer to carry one. He was a lunatic. Last person who should have one on a school campus. ANGER ISSUES.

[mainstreetonce]

24. Don't forget

Mr Anger issues with a gun can't be fired,he has tenure.

What could go wrong?

[mainstreetonce]

23. I know of a school system where parents complain of unqualified teachers.

Parents complain that the math teacher is not a great math teacher,but he was hired because he coaches basketball and they needed a coach.

Now we will have schools where people are hired not for teaching excellence,but for willingness to train with a gun?

The whole idea is horrible.

[SoCalMusicLover]

27. When A Teacher Shoots & Kills A Student.....

Then the NRA & ALL It's Members will say that it's TIME TO ARM THE STUDENTS!

[MFM008]

28. A number of my

Teachers in the 60s were older women.
Now being an older woman I certainly wouldn't put my eyesight or even the fact that right now my right arm is in a cast in front of trying to save the lives of a bunch of kids..... it's not going to work.... it's stupid we're even talking about it .
.............it's the guns.

[The Genealogist]

30. I'm trying to think of teachers who would not seem ridiculous to give a gun

The idea of my 6h grade teacher, a rather sweet lady near retirement at the time, trying to fend off a lunatic on a shooting rampage. I can think of several male teachers I too that needed a gun at school like they needed more holes in their heads. Anger issues. I think back to jr high and the assistant principal hauling off and backhanding a student at the drinking fountain in the hall between classes. No gun for that man either please. This arming teachers to counter gun violence makes as much sense to me as deliberately infecting people with cholera to fight a cholera epidemic.