Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

onenote

(42,683 posts)
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:44 PM Mar 2018

Not exempting jet fuel from state taxes to punish Delta was the right decision for the wrong reason

Yes, it was absolutely wrong for the state legislature to make the decision to drop the proposed jet fuel tax break for airlines (which would have benefitted Delta more than other airlines simply because it buys more jet fuel in the state than any other airline) because of Delta's cutting ties with the NRA.

BUT...why should I cry about Delta not getting a tax break it doesn't need? Since when do people here support tax breaks for large corporations?

Georgia first adopted a jet fuel tax exemption after 9/11 when airlines were on the verge of going under. It hung around until 2015, when the state repealed it and started using the additional revenue to help schools and otherwise help fund the government. But for a variety of reasons, largely reflecting the republican belief that giving tax breaks to big corporations is good policy, even if it starves the state of revenues, they proposed reinstating the exemption.

Now that isn't happening and while I hate the reason it isn't happening, I'm not at all sad it isn't happening. Some people are saying Delta should threaten to leave the state if it isn't given the tax break. Really? Let's put aside the NRA-aspect and ask ourselves: do we really support corporations threatening governments that they'll leave if they don't get their taxes reduced?

13 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Not exempting jet fuel from state taxes to punish Delta was the right decision for the wrong reason (Original Post) onenote Mar 2018 OP
I think at this point its the bullying we are all rallying around Delta about.. samnsara Mar 2018 #1
Ones tax break is anothers tax burden Major Nikon Mar 2018 #2
Meh jberryhill Mar 2018 #3
Clayton schools onenote Mar 2018 #4
I dont understand how that answers my question jberryhill Mar 2018 #5
So if polls are now showing support for the Trump tax cuts onenote Mar 2018 #6
Tax cuts create jobs, but happy NRA worth killing jobs Cicada Mar 2018 #7
+100 Lady_Chat Mar 2018 #8
Delta didn't need the tax break onenote Mar 2018 #12
I just explained the Republican logic, I didnt endorse it Cicada Mar 2018 #13
Delta provides 33,000 jobs and 500 million in profit sharing to it's employees Lady_Chat Mar 2018 #9
Don't the companies that got big tax breaks from Trump also provide jobs? onenote Mar 2018 #10
Delta should Just raise the fare and call it the republican gun lover increase. pwb Mar 2018 #11

samnsara

(17,615 posts)
1. I think at this point its the bullying we are all rallying around Delta about..
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:50 PM
Mar 2018

.. same with Sessions. I mean WHO supports him? ewwwwww but Trump bullying him will get us to support THAT PART of the issue.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Meh
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:52 PM
Mar 2018

I understand your point. My only question is what does the electorate of Georgia think? Either this action represents the collective will of the citizens of Georgia or it does not. That is the only real measure of whether this was or was not appropriate.

Whether it does or not, I have no idea.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. I dont understand how that answers my question
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:53 PM
Mar 2018

Voters in Kansas don’t even want to fund their public schools.

That’s up to them. Whether to tax this or that in Georgia, and by how much, is purely a question for the voters of Georgia to decide.

We can both spout off at length good reasons for how that decision could be made. In Philadelphia, for example, a sugary drink tax was imposed to fill the school funding gap. It has made a significant difference. Do they have one of those in Coca Cola country? If not, why not.

Do they tax cigarettes as much as, say, New York? If not, why not?

State tax structures are very different from each other. I live in Delaware. We don’t have a sales tax. Nearly every other state does. Is that “good” or “bad” in your opinion?

onenote

(42,683 posts)
6. So if polls are now showing support for the Trump tax cuts
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:15 AM
Mar 2018

does that mean they were good policy? No.

My original point was that giving Delta a tax break wasn't good policy. I stand by that view whether or not it has the support of voters, just I think the Trump tax cuts are bad policy, whether they had, or didn't have popular support when enacted or thereafter.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. Tax cuts create jobs, but happy NRA worth killing jobs
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:13 AM
Mar 2018

I guess that is their logic. To keep the NRA happy they are willing to keep Georgia workers unemployed.

onenote

(42,683 posts)
12. Delta didn't need the tax break
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:17 AM
Mar 2018

It's revenues were beating expectations and it had announced new hiring for 2018 last fall.
If tax cutting is such a big job creator, why did we all oppose Trump's big corporate tax breaks?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/10/23/delta-says-its-hiring-1-000-flight-attendants-2018/791418001/

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
13. I just explained the Republican logic, I didnt endorse it
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:18 AM
Mar 2018

By their logic ( not mine) they are willing to keep workers unemployed to keep the NRA happy. Balance NRA needs against workers’ needs, they picked NRA.

Lady_Chat

(561 posts)
9. Delta provides 33,000 jobs and 500 million in profit sharing to it's employees
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:48 AM
Mar 2018

and is responsible for $435 billion dollars in economic impact a year in the state of GA, as reported in The New York Times. Punishing Delta for not doing the NRA's bidding, is an incredibly stupid move on the part of Georgia lawmakers.


Governor Cuomo has invited Delta to move to New York. Please come Delta, you would be so appreciated here. Georgia's loss would be our gain.


Republican Party Motto:

“We believe in small government that doesn’t interfere with businesses or personal liberties —
unless you don’t share our extremist views on guns, gods, gays and gynecology"

onenote

(42,683 posts)
10. Don't the companies that got big tax breaks from Trump also provide jobs?
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:43 AM
Mar 2018

Last edited Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:14 AM - Edit history (1)

That's always the rationale for handing out big tax breaks to corporations.

Delta didn't need the tax break: https://www.nasdaq.com/article/delta-air-lines-dal-q4-earnings-beat-fy18-view-upped-cm904202

pwb

(11,258 posts)
11. Delta should Just raise the fare and call it the republican gun lover increase.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:54 AM
Mar 2018

That would make paying customers all over the country pissed at them.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Not exempting jet fuel fr...