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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:29 AM Mar 2018

Mueller's master plan.

Last edited Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1)

I’ve been worried that Republicans might be able to bury Mueller’s final report (which he turns over to Justice, which will give it to the GOP leaders in Congress).

And it suddenly dawned on me that Mueller is already writing much of the report IN THE INDICTMENTS. Pundits and analysts have commented on their unusual length and amount of detail. This may be why. With these indictments, Mueller is giving us a broad and detailed picture of what happened in 2016 – and even earlier.

And there is a logic to the order of these indictments. Papadopalous seemed like a fairly minor character at first, but he is an important piece of the Trump tower puzzle. He will help prove that the Trump campaign KNEW about the hacking in March 2016 – months before they received an email offering dirt on Hillary, to be handed over at the Trump Tower meeting.

And then today, we learned that Mueller has sufficient evidence to make a case related to the Russian hacking of the DNC, but he is waiting for a “strategic moment.”

So these aren’t random, unrelated charges. The way he is laying out these indictments tells me he is BUILDING up to something, from the bottom to the top. So I don't exactly what his master plan is. But it's going to be something big. It won't be another Fitzmas.

(P.S. Sam Nunberg, who was active in Trump's campaign, said today that he told Mueller he was sure that Don Jr. would have told his father about the Trump Tower meeting. One more piece of the puzzle.)



https://www.buzzfeed.com/thomasfrank/intelligence-experts-still-marveling-at-the-details-in?utm_term=.pqg53OLdn#.mlYmrEoLO

Normally, details like those disclosed in the 37-page indictment would be classified, not released to the public.

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the-mueller-indictment-a-russian-novel-of-intrigue/

INSIDE THE MUELLER INDICTMENT: A RUSSIAN NOVEL OF INTRIGUE

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Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
4. K & R Thank you for posting. Layers upon layers and they all connect one to the next.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:04 AM
Mar 2018

He will implicate every one involved & not one speck will remain hidden when he unfolds that masterpiece.

It will be Robert Mueller that hands a badly bruised but cleaned & stitched up world to its good people to heal & nurture again.

There just has to be a better ending to this story than the one Vladimir Putin & Donald Trump prepared for us.


 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
5. Mueller is telling us a story -- a long, complicated story.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:57 AM
Mar 2018

He is a very smart man.

By the time he is finished, everyone except Fox News watchers will have the story memorized.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. If only Repubs get the Mueller report, then the public won't see it. But Ken Starr's report was.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:17 AM
Mar 2018

Ken Starr's vulgar report was released to the public, in all its glory. Schiff said that Mueller isn't issuing a report for the public, telling all the events that happened. That's not his job. It's the job of the House to do that. That's not good, since we just saw an example of a so-called House document released to the public...it was twisted and partly false. The Dems were prevented from releasing a real document that was factually correct.

It remains to be seen whether anything touches The Family. So far, there's nothing concrete.

BTW, Nunberg saying he was sure Don Jr would have told his father about the Tower mtg is not evidence of anything, unless he could point to an email or someone who heard Don Jr tell his father. Direct evidence that Don Jr. did in fact tell him. It could help direct Mueller's investigation to look for proof of that, but Nunberg's statement in and of itself doesn't mean that Jr did do that.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
8. Ken Starr was working under a different law that, unfortunately, that was allowed to expire.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:22 AM
Mar 2018

So the fact that his report was made public isn't a precedent.

You're right about Nunberg's comment. But I think his statement will encourage Mueller to pursue the probability that Jr. DID tell his father.

As far as nothing concrete yet touching the Family, that's true. But the paperwork case against Manafort is SO strong, I doubt they needed Gates's testimony much at all -- certainly not to reduce his sentence as drastically as they did. I think he provided key information that will touch one or more in the inner circle. And Manafort might, too.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
9. Rogers, head of NSA, testified that the moron hasn't instructed him to
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:54 AM
Mar 2018

begin enacting any measures to secure the voting in the midterms from Russia who is currently continuing to interfere in our election system. Since the moron isn't following through with the sanctions passed by Congress, there is nothing being done to prevent a repeat of 2016.

I think that Mueller is doing this now to alert Putin that there will be a price to pay for what he did even though Putin can't be indicted directly. Mueller cares about preserving our democracy but at the same time he doesn't want to rush his very thorough yet extremely complicated investigation which is expected to go into 2019 (past the midterms).

He has many balls in the air and is handling them well so far.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
11. If Mueller is fired...
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:27 AM
Mar 2018

He should run for president against trump for the gop. That would freak trump out knowing how respected and trusted he is among both parties . He also has the dirt on him. Let trump the insult dog go after him. LOL. I have never voted for a republican, and still wouldn't, but it would be fun to watch. Now that would make for good reality tv.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. This is going to be his magnum opus.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:05 AM
Mar 2018

May he deliver us from this travesty of an administration. And the sooner, the better.

former9thward

(31,961 posts)
14. Mueller's report will be delivered to the public.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:05 PM
Mar 2018

Anyone who says it will be just given to Republicans just exposes themselves as someone who doesn't know anything about the process. And no, there is no classified information being disclosed in the indictments. Another piece of evidence that the people writing this know next to nothing about either the investigation or its process.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
15. No, you have just exposed YOURSELF as someone who doesn't know about the process.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:12 PM
Mar 2018

The laws that apply to the Special Counsel are not the same as applied to Ken Starr. The law he was working under expired.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-garber-mueller-report-20180201-story.html

Perhaps the special counsel could turn the results of his investigation over to Congress, which could initiate impeachment proceedings. Starr took this route. But, unlike Starr, Mueller doesn't have the authority to submit a report to Congress. Starr was appointed as independent counsel under a statute that authorized him to "advise the House of Representatives of any substantial and credible information … that may constitute grounds for an impeachment." But Congress allowed that statute to expire. The regulations under which Mueller was appointed do not authorize him to disclose anything to Congress.

Could Mueller just pull a Comey and publicize his findings anyway? Perhaps, but that would be wrong, and Mueller was presumably paying attention to the justifiable bipartisan outrage that followed Comey's disclosures about the Hillary Clinton investigation. He probably is also aware that his boss, Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein, called Comey's public statements "a textbook example of what federal prosecutors and agents are taught not to do."

So what then? Under the regulations governing the special counsel's activities, Mueller is required to submit a report to the attorney general at the conclusion of his investigation. In this case Mueller's report would go to Rosenstein because Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has recused himself. The regulations don't dictate what the report must include. That seems to be entirely up to the special counsel. What the regulations do mandate is that Mueller's report is to be kept "confidential."

There is, however, an exception to the confidentiality mandate. Rosenstein may release the report if he determines that doing so "would be in the public interest, to the extent that release would comply with applicable legal restrictions."

Taraman

(373 posts)
16. I'm thinking that Mueller knows most of it already
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:19 PM
Mar 2018

and he's preparing the American public so they can digest it. We haven't had criminal enterprise and treason before in the Presidency, and it will be difficult for people to process.

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