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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne of the father's of a Parkland shooting victim said it is not time for gun control. The focus
should be on school safety. Well how could Douglas High have school safety without controlling the gun that murdered seventeen people? This parent thinks that Governor Scott is taking the right approach. It is just a reminder that this is Trump territory and some of them will not change even their stance on the AR-15's even after the horrific murder of innocent children.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)He was very pro-gun...
atreides1
(16,067 posts)Andrew Pollack , whose daughter Meadow Jade Pollack was killed!
He did the same thing on MSNBC, kept saying that it wasn't time to talk about gun laws, only wanted to discuss school safety and security!
He brought up previous school shootings, cited the number at 200! And kept insisting that if Cruz hadn't been able to get a gun he still would've found a way to still do what he did!
But I'm willing to bet Mr. Pollack didn't give a tinkers damn about school shootings until he was personally affected!
JI7
(89,240 posts)People were wounded but nobody died.
bluestarone
(16,864 posts)UNLESS YOUR A FUCKING REPUBLICON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gothmog
(144,932 posts)I feel sorry for him but strongly disagree with his proposals
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I feel so sorry for him and all the other parents, families and friends. But as his interview proceeded I started disliking him. A lot. I had to walk away.
Turbineguy
(37,291 posts)usually republicans learn something when it happens to them.
MyOwnPeace
(16,919 posts)to protect your own children, O-M-G, what hope is left?
hunter
(38,303 posts)Vinca
(50,237 posts)as the weapon of choice in school shootings. What could possibly go wrong?
dlk
(11,514 posts)This parent could very well be a malignant narcissist, if getting his way on guns is more important than his child's life.
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Loved One is a lucky one that is spared because the shooter had only a handgun instead of an AR-15, and hence killed 4 instead of 24 ... I think you might appreciate the efficacy of AWB's in that case.
Of course, one problem with something like an AWB ban is that it's literally impossible to ever KNOW ... how effective it actually is.
Everytime a mass killing situation happens with a different weapon (gunz or b*mb or vehicle or whatever), you'll have the humpers clamoring and going SEE! SEE! WE TOLD YOU LIBTARDS!!!
And because it's literally impossible to calculate how much WORSE the carnage would've been if the person had been armed with an AR instead, nor any way to know that they would have PREFERRED an AR, and also actually have been able to procure one if they would have preferred one ...
Basically it's impossible to measure the ability of AWB's to save lives. So you're not making some grand point by saying 'they don't do much' because you don't know what they do or don't do, and neither does anyone else.
That said ... the 'loss' to 'society' by disallowing them is, in my estimation, precisely ZERO. And it can almost certainly be assumed that there will be a net REDUCTION in deaths due to gun violence if they were entirely removed from existence ... though that's only true if all other things remained equal (which of course they cannot) ...
Look, honestly of all the 'measures' we might take, AWB's are pretty low on my list of 'expected efficacy' and I'd much prefer to 'fight' for better background checks, registration, and making it easier to confiscate guns from people who act in any way crazy/violent (like making threats online).
THat said this dudes argument of 'securing schools' is a HUGE 'slippery slope' scenario. All it leads to is, in the end ... complete militarization of society. Because why stop at schools? Aren't ADULTS entitled to safety as well?
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)One of my biggest problems with each and every push for an AWB is that they fuel and justify the RKBA advocates' claims that they are coming for your guns and that causes massive pushback on every proposed gun restriction.
mythology
(9,527 posts)why aren't there ever any shootings with machine guns that were so heavily restricted?
Why haven't there been any mass shootings in Australia after they so heavily restricted guns? Or the U.K. after they did the same?
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)AWBs try to not capture common and classic hunting and target semi-autos with detachable magazines but do capture evil black rifles like ARs and semiauto AKs. As a result of trying to thread this needle AWB focus on things like bayonet lugs and flash suppressors instead of detachable magazines. You end up with laws that allow the Lanza family to legally own the AR that their son used to slaughter children at a school even though Connecticut had a state AWB that was equivalent to the federal one that expired. If you think AWBs work, then you have to be ok with massacres like Sandy Hook.
Australia had few mass killings prior to 1996 and has had mass shootings since the forced gun confiscation. They also had mass killers use other means like arson and vehicles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
I don't know much about UK.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)own family. All the more reason to restrict them.