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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 05:54 PM Mar 2018

One of the father's of a Parkland shooting victim said it is not time for gun control. The focus

should be on school safety. Well how could Douglas High have school safety without controlling the gun that murdered seventeen people? This parent thinks that Governor Scott is taking the right approach. It is just a reminder that this is Trump territory and some of them will not change even their stance on the AR-15's even after the horrific murder of innocent children.



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One of the father's of a Parkland shooting victim said it is not time for gun control. The focus (Original Post) mfcorey1 Mar 2018 OP
Is that the one who edited CNN emails to make them look bad and went on Faux News? hlthe2b Mar 2018 #1
Not that one atreides1 Mar 2018 #7
Well, there was a case of school stabbing a few years ago JI7 Mar 2018 #17
this thinking is fucking unexplainable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone Mar 2018 #2
I ended up changing chanels during that segment Gothmog Mar 2018 #3
I had the same reaction. Control-Z Mar 2018 #14
Hmmm.... Turbineguy Mar 2018 #4
If you won't do something MyOwnPeace Mar 2018 #5
Gun fetishes are disgusting. hunter Mar 2018 #6
So they will arm a teacher with a handgun that is less powerful, slower and doesn't shoot as far Vinca Mar 2018 #8
A Truly Awful Example of the Obscene Selfishness of the Run Rights Crowd dlk Mar 2018 #9
He probably knows AWBs don't do much to save lives. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #10
AWB's probably only very rarely going to stop an attack from taking place, but if your child or mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #12
Right, an AWB is low on my list of expected efficacy, too. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #16
If bans don't do much to stop gun violence mythology Mar 2018 #19
THe answer is complicated. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #20
Another gun lover/apologizer that cares more about access to guns than his Hoyt Mar 2018 #11
This is his photo from the day of the shooting: IcyPeas Mar 2018 #13
Exactly as you'd expect. Hoyt Mar 2018 #15
The man with no name in a post with no context. SharonClark Mar 2018 #18

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
1. Is that the one who edited CNN emails to make them look bad and went on Faux News?
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 05:55 PM
Mar 2018

He was very pro-gun...

atreides1

(16,067 posts)
7. Not that one
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:08 PM
Mar 2018

Andrew Pollack , whose daughter Meadow Jade Pollack was killed!

He did the same thing on MSNBC, kept saying that it wasn't time to talk about gun laws, only wanted to discuss school safety and security!

He brought up previous school shootings, cited the number at 200! And kept insisting that if Cruz hadn't been able to get a gun he still would've found a way to still do what he did!


But I'm willing to bet Mr. Pollack didn't give a tinkers damn about school shootings until he was personally affected!

bluestarone

(16,864 posts)
2. this thinking is fucking unexplainable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 05:56 PM
Mar 2018

UNLESS YOUR A FUCKING REPUBLICON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gothmog

(144,932 posts)
3. I ended up changing chanels during that segment
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:02 PM
Mar 2018

I feel sorry for him but strongly disagree with his proposals

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
14. I had the same reaction.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:53 PM
Mar 2018

I feel so sorry for him and all the other parents, families and friends. But as his interview proceeded I started disliking him. A lot. I had to walk away.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
8. So they will arm a teacher with a handgun that is less powerful, slower and doesn't shoot as far
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:11 PM
Mar 2018

as the weapon of choice in school shootings. What could possibly go wrong?

dlk

(11,514 posts)
9. A Truly Awful Example of the Obscene Selfishness of the Run Rights Crowd
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:18 PM
Mar 2018

This parent could very well be a malignant narcissist, if getting his way on guns is more important than his child's life.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
12. AWB's probably only very rarely going to stop an attack from taking place, but if your child or
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:45 PM
Mar 2018

Loved One is a lucky one that is spared because the shooter had only a handgun instead of an AR-15, and hence killed 4 instead of 24 ... I think you might appreciate the efficacy of AWB's in that case.

Of course, one problem with something like an AWB ban is that it's literally impossible to ever KNOW ... how effective it actually is.

Everytime a mass killing situation happens with a different weapon (gunz or b*mb or vehicle or whatever), you'll have the humpers clamoring and going SEE! SEE! WE TOLD YOU LIBTARDS!!!

And because it's literally impossible to calculate how much WORSE the carnage would've been if the person had been armed with an AR instead, nor any way to know that they would have PREFERRED an AR, and also actually have been able to procure one if they would have preferred one ...

Basically it's impossible to measure the ability of AWB's to save lives. So you're not making some grand point by saying 'they don't do much' because you don't know what they do or don't do, and neither does anyone else.

That said ... the 'loss' to 'society' by disallowing them is, in my estimation, precisely ZERO. And it can almost certainly be assumed that there will be a net REDUCTION in deaths due to gun violence if they were entirely removed from existence ... though that's only true if all other things remained equal (which of course they cannot) ...

Look, honestly of all the 'measures' we might take, AWB's are pretty low on my list of 'expected efficacy' and I'd much prefer to 'fight' for better background checks, registration, and making it easier to confiscate guns from people who act in any way crazy/violent (like making threats online).

THat said this dudes argument of 'securing schools' is a HUGE 'slippery slope' scenario. All it leads to is, in the end ... complete militarization of society. Because why stop at schools? Aren't ADULTS entitled to safety as well?

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
16. Right, an AWB is low on my list of expected efficacy, too.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:59 PM
Mar 2018

One of my biggest problems with each and every push for an AWB is that they fuel and justify the RKBA advocates' claims that they are coming for your guns and that causes massive pushback on every proposed gun restriction.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
19. If bans don't do much to stop gun violence
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:33 PM
Mar 2018

why aren't there ever any shootings with machine guns that were so heavily restricted?

Why haven't there been any mass shootings in Australia after they so heavily restricted guns? Or the U.K. after they did the same?

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
20. THe answer is complicated.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 08:28 PM
Mar 2018

AWBs try to not capture common and classic hunting and target semi-autos with detachable magazines but do capture evil black rifles like ARs and semiauto AKs. As a result of trying to thread this needle AWB focus on things like bayonet lugs and flash suppressors instead of detachable magazines. You end up with laws that allow the Lanza family to legally own the AR that their son used to slaughter children at a school even though Connecticut had a state AWB that was equivalent to the federal one that expired. If you think AWBs work, then you have to be ok with massacres like Sandy Hook.

Australia had few mass killings prior to 1996 and has had mass shootings since the forced gun confiscation. They also had mass killers use other means like arson and vehicles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

I don't know much about UK.


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Another gun lover/apologizer that cares more about access to guns than his
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:42 PM
Mar 2018

own family. All the more reason to restrict them.

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