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Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:32 AM

Could Mueller somehow force congress's hand by

Indicting a sitting president? What if Mueller finds sooo much bad shit on RUMP that he decides not to let congress make this decision? Is this a possibility? (I HOPE SO)

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bluestarone Mar 2018 OP
beachbum bob Mar 2018 #1
bluestarone Mar 2018 #3
Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #5
Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #2
bluestarone Mar 2018 #6
poboy2 Mar 2018 #10
Hortensis Mar 2018 #4
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #7
bluestarone Mar 2018 #9
OnDoutside Mar 2018 #8
LonePirate Mar 2018 #11
bluestarone Mar 2018 #13
Iliyah Mar 2018 #12
bluestarone Mar 2018 #14
avebury Mar 2018 #15
bluestarone Mar 2018 #16
Louis1895 Mar 2018 #17
avebury Mar 2018 #18
Javaman Mar 2018 #19
Javaman Mar 2018 #20

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:36 AM

1. anything is possible but I suspect trump will find a way to get rid of Mueller before he

 

indicts him...and that will cause a major political rift in america....and a clear case of obstruction which the american people have an answer in 2018 and 2020

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:43 AM

3. yea for sure

BUT maybe being Mueller see's the direction this great country is heading, will decide he has to do something to stop it, if the repubs aren't willing to do?

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:44 AM

5. If Trumpy controls the investigation, then the country is lost.

It means that Trumpy controls the Judicial Branch of the federal government, and that means that Putin is in charge of the entire infrastructure. He now is in control of two of the three branches, and Trumpy is itching to take it all down. If that happens...

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:41 AM

2. That's an option.

Mueller knows that the GOP Congress is frozen in place. They can't go forward with anything because Congressional GOPers have received Russian payments of laundered money in 2016. It's all in Mueller's basket of evidence. So he likely will have to criminally indict Trumpy, bypass Congress, and place the issue in the hands of the Courts. He'll also recommend charges for an impeachment trial, but knows that there is little stomach in Congress for this kind of truth-telling.

This shows how much the entire nation, governed by the Constitution, is in peril. During Watergate, the legislative branch wasn't a knowing participant in Nixon's scandals. Not so with Trumpy. The legislative and executive branches of the federal government have succumbed and surrendered to Putin's coup, leaving only the Judicial Branch as the guardian of the republic. Our nation's integrity is hanging by a thread.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:45 AM

6. RIGHT ON!!!! my thinking too!!

I actually think what Mueller's team discovers, will leave him no choice?

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:49 AM

10. This in my belabored terminology ('existential threat') is what should be an option.

 

If we wish to continue to exist as a democratic republic, that is.

Western civilization hangs in the balance.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:44 AM

4. Mueller investigates and possibly prosecutes.

He doesn't need congress's approval, and I'm just guessing that he doesn't see manipulating congress -- beyond repelling their attempts to shut down the investigation and impede justice -- as part of his job.

We, the electorate, are the ones who could force the Republicans controlling congress to act by our response to what the investigation reveals.

He does need his boss's approval to indict a president, and then that would be taken to the courts to determine if a president can be indicted (Ken Starr felt he could, but Mueller now has less power by law). Big hole in the law here. Aside from that little detail, other steps such as impeachment, trial, and removal would be congress's job. And likely the courts'.

If charges were in order against Trump, it's very possible that at this point or possibly before congress would negotiate an agreement between parties on how to proceed, such as letting him resign as Nixon did. They don't even have to show us the report Mueller submitted to his boss.
Again, though, this would be a political power decision, with national support or lack of it a very huge factor.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:45 AM

7. Doesn't Rosenstein have to approve all indictments ?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:49 AM

9. some one mentioned here before that MUELLER COULD

Indict RUMP without ANYONE'S approval? I may be wrong here but that's what i thought someone said!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:46 AM

8. He can only do that if Rosenstein changes the terms of reference. This

was discussed about a month ago.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:53 AM

11. If he committed a crime mentioned in the Constitution, then I believe Mueller will indict.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:03 AM

13. feel the same here!

Mueller is a smart guy. I'm sure he make the best decision to save our country. In my eyes that would be to FORCE CONGRESS to do it's job or HE will Indict! (I hope)

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 09:58 AM

12. Its so much leaks coming out it makes you wonder.

The GOP house IC is freaking out and closing the investigation on Russia and probably start up another investigation against the FBI and FISA. They are scared.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:06 AM

14. They are scared But

I think they only want to obstruct! That's there only purpose!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:10 AM

15. I would love to see Mueller find evidence of an international level of criminal

activity and have the option of getting the case heard in the Hague. Imagine Trump, his family, Republican leadership and Trump's vast group of minions potentially being as risk of being arrested if they leave the US. Imagine the possibility of Trump properties overseas being seized.

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Response to avebury (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:13 AM

16. yea that could get interesting too!!

Is congress ready for something like that?? We'll see huh?

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Response to avebury (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:14 AM

17. IS this a real option?

Does the Hague have authority in such a circumstance?

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Response to Louis1895 (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:23 AM

18. I don't know if it is a realistic option.

BUT - if Mueller can find evidence of a wider conspiracy that crosses international lines and breaks laws in other countries I would hope that the International Criminal Courts.

There is always the option of foreign countries indicting Trump and his family if they violate the laws of those countries. Just like Mueller has indicted some Russians.

If Trump is stupid enough to shoot off some nukes or otherwise start a war that might gain the attention of the International Criminal Courts. There was a time some foreign countries wanted to indict Bush Jr. for his wars.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 10:36 AM

19. only after the dems take back the house.

the issue at hand is the corruption is systemic among the repukes.

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