Anyone else feel like this Trump - Kim Jong Un meeting is a setup?

[Initech]

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I feel like Putin is the one who's really pulling the strings here. Especially when he revealed that he's got a giant smart missile called "Satan 2" that is aimed right at us. It's a classic smoke and mirrors technique - get all the attention on Un and Trump so Putin can continue his evil deeds. Something has to be done about that mad man - he's drunk with power and extremely dangerous. And I feel like sanctions aren't enough.

It reminds me of a classic Bill Hicks bit where he says "I like what the puppet on the left says. No, I like the puppet on the right more. Hey there's one guy holding up both puppets! Shut up! Go back to bed, your government is in control!". Trump is one puppet, Kim Jong Un is the other puppet, and Vlad is the guy who's pulling both of their strings.

And everyone knows that Trump is grossly unqualified to hold these talks, and everyone knows that Un will try to call Trump's bluff. And for a guy who made his living in the casino industry, we all know Trump has the world's worst poker face. He will be walking straight into a trap.

[Gothmog]

1. There is something fishy with this meeting

[HipChick]

2. Look at the setup...Putin was gushing and praising Trump the day before..

Putin praised Trump as 'balanced' and a great communicator..

[lagomorph777]

41. Wow, high praise "balanced"

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. First of all ole Kim has wanted this for a long time, but no intelligent administration would

allow this without major concessions and changes.

Second, Putin decides EVERYTHING trump does outside of our irrelevant domestic stuff, and most of our domestic stuff is NOT irrelevant to Vlad so he decides most everything, including and especially this meeting.

[Hoyt]

8. I hear you, but I think it's time we meet and see what happens. I don't think it can

make things worse unless trump calls him ugly names on TV, insults his wife (if Little Kim has one), or something equally vile.

I've kind of grown tired of our posturing when we are the only country to have ever nuked anyone.

But, I also get the risks. If we are going to get eggs on our face, I'd just as soon it be trump's ugly mug.

[lagomorph777]

42. What could possibly go wrong?

Oh right, you just gave a list of things that Trump is very likely to do.

Trump regularly calls Kim names on TV.
Trump has insulted the wife of an ally (called Macron's wife sexy right in front of him, and on a hot mic).

[Hoyt]

44. Is that going to make matters worse with NK? Ignoring trump, the upside is higher than the

down side.

[Doodley]

4. Don't worry about Trump not being qualified.His son-in-law will be there to assist.

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[hlthe2b]

5. well, I certainly feel more unease with Trump involved than any other previous President...

and even MOST of the previous Dem OR Republican field.

Trump is a fool and he will put our future at risk to soothe his own ego or meet his own agenda.

[RKP5637]

9. Yep! Trump is a fiddle that can be easily played and manipulated. It all feels very strange. n/t

[Faux pas]

6. Maybe they can have

an MMA match...The world would love to see that.

[Initech]

10. Can you imagine Trump in an octagon?

He wouldn't last 30 seconds before getting tapped out. It would be the shortest fight ever.

[Faux pas]

11. Lol

he wouldn't even show up, the bone spurs and all. But, I betcha he'd promote it worldwide!

[RKP5637]

7. It feels a little strange, the sudden change of heart, from name calling and saber waving to

suddenly a blooming bromance. Just feels a little strange how this suddenly came on. If it all works out, great.

[Initech]

12. Especially when not even two months, ago, Trump was bragging how much bigger his nuke button was.

But we can't escape that Putin is the real danger in all of this. Trump and Un might be fighting, but Putin is the one who could really kill us all.

[RKP5637]

13. And if his new missile systems works that can not be intercepted. Maybe tRump and Kim are going to

compare the size of their missiles? Joking aside, I really think the future is damn treacherous. Putin could obliterate everyone/everything. And tRump can be so easily manipulated.

[dixiegrrrrl]

33. It's a PR set up, plain and simple.

Both Kim and Trump get to look like heroes who saved the world from war.
Trump's base will be gloating over this for a long time to come.

[RKP5637]

43. Yep!!! It's just way to slick (sick)! n/t

[C_U_L8R]

14. Two desperate megalomaniacs

who share a common craving for attention.
Who knows what will happen...

[Initech]

17. Ruled by an even bigger megalomaniac.

[bdamomma]

24. trump will be

getting tips from Kim in how to hold a military parade. Both of them or should I say all three of them Putin, Trump and Kim should all be locked up together in one room and fight it out.

[gordianot]

15. Absolutely a set up.

Notice how North Korean missles improved including the rapid development of solid fuel boosters when it took the United States and Soviet Union decades to develop that technology. The rapid development of smaller more powerful nuclear warheads is also suspicious. We have been neutered by spies, and domestic traitors working for a foreign hostile power. Khrushchev was right and we have been effectively buried.

[dameatball]

16. Absolutely. This is Putin throwing Trump a bone and Jong-Un a bigger bone.

This set-up began months ago when Putin started publicly emphasizing his countries "advances" in nuclear capability....the larger megaton weapons, supersonic cruise missile, diagrams of a nuclear torpedo. Then he announced his position on nuclear attacks on any Russian allies. He stated that he would consider it an attack on Russia itself and respond in kind.
At first I saw this as a ham-handed attempt to intimidate the West. But now I see it differently. This announcement sort of cemented his role as the leader of his own version of NATO. It also gave North Korea a lot more wiggle room as to how aggressive it's nuclear program would need to be. Why should NK continue to expend its scarce resources on nuclear arms when they can live safely under Russian protection? The wiser course would be to call for negotiations with the aim of undoing economic sanctions. So, they give up nothing, plug a hole in the economy and gain worldwide stature as an equal with the United States, all with no risk.
Meanwhile, Trump needs two things:
A distraction from the Russia investigation.
A "win" of some kind that his base can use to justify continued support.

So not only is Putin throwing Trump a bone, but Trump has no choice but to take it. How would it look in the eyes of the world if he refused to talk?

But have no doubt, the bone with the most meat on it went to Kim Jong-Un. If there is such a thing as "face," he just gained a great deal of it. The President of the United States......is coming to him.

What did Putin get? Unlimited license to sell his oil and gas to a North Korea, now flush with cash due to the ending of sanctions.

[MBS]

18. YES!!

and Trump will be totally snowed by the VIP treatment and give away the store.
Not only is Trump unqualified to participate; the State Dept's expert on North Korea recently retired because of disagreements with T's warmongering. Not to mention all the diminished diplomatic staff at State generally. So there is literally no one to mind the store (or, more importantly, to mind the Infant in Chief).

Piece by Robin Wright in the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-accepts-north-koreas-audacious-invitation-but-then-what

. . .the new U.S.-North Korean track is backward diplomatically. A summit of leaders is usually the reward rather than the starting point. Normally, months or even years of diplomatic legwork are required to work out terms to be formally approved by heads of state. The Clinton Administration spent years working on phases of a deal to curtail North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs, which included a trip by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to Pyongyang. A visit by President Clinton was supposed to be the final deal-maker.
As it is currently set up, President Trump has everything to lose if he comes away without tangible and extensive gains that meet his long-standing demand for North Korea to abandon the world’s deadliest weapon. Kim, who leads the world’s most isolated country, has everything to gain from the stature that comes from a summit with the world’s leading superpower.. .

[Doodley]

35. You nailed it. Trump will be played like a fiddle, as he was by the Russians.

[niyad]

20. and did you notice how the breathless waiting and announcement overrode coverage

of International Women's Day rallies and celebrations?

[Louis1895]

21. I expect the meeting to take place in Moscow

with Sergei Lavrov (Russian Foreign Minister) hosting.

Kim Jong Un will get concessions from USA, but he will not give up his nukes.

Trump will declare hostilities over and withdraw US troops from the Korean Peninsula.

[triron]

22. Of course Putin is orchestrating this. Said that in earlier post.

[dameatball]

36. Agreed. Started with Putin's sabre rattling and pledge to protect NK if they are attacked.

Kim gets free of sanctions for giving up a nuclear program he no longer needs, thanks to Putin's umbrella.

Sanction free NK can buy more of Putin's gas and oil due to financial relief. Plus Kim gets elevated staus from Pillsbury doughboy to world leader. Also permanent stature at home. Putin shows how his armaments influence world events.

Trump gets a needed distraction, an ego boost and some lessening of his badly tarnished image word wide. Solidifies his base and approval ratings.

As I said in another post, Putin threw them both a bone. Putin cashes in.

[kentuck]

23. Trump does not think that far ahead.

It was a distraction of the moment. In order to change the subject from Stormy Daniels and Mueller's investigation to something else.

He'll forget he ever said this in a couple of weeks.

[bdamomma]

25. I just wish the media

doesn't play this up to make trump a fucking hero, cause he is meeting with him. All this is a distraction from Stormy and the Mueller investigations.

[triron]

26. CNN is chasing it like a kitten chasing a shiny object. Idiots.

[bdamomma]

29. sickening

can't they learn they are being played by the con job. Changing the narrative again.

[Lil Missy]

27. No. I think the orange jackass is that impulsive and stupid.

[Siwsan]

28. I have a bad, bad feeling about this situation

I really think trump* is being played.

[underthematrix]

30. I'm only tweeting and retreating news

about Stormy Daniels

[njhoneybadger]

31. Putin is protecting his investment.

Pull the string! Pull the String!!! Dance Donnie dance

[kimbutgar]

32. It feels like bs set up to distract from Mueller and Stormy Daniels

VLad probably set it up to help his puppet. There is nothing I believe that comes out of this administration that doesn’t have the taint of Russia.

[dixiegrrrrl]

34. Exactly. n/t

[StarryNite]

37. Yup

[Lint Head]

38. And Trump will fall for it like a 10 ton Rock from a 30 story building

[NightWatcher]

39. You tell me. This is from the DPRK News twitter feed. I hope it is fake.

Link to tweet

?s=21

[Sugar Smack]

40. Not if he manages to pull Kim Jong Un's arm clean out of

the socket. Or gets close enough to him to try to mess with his hair. Or call him "Mister" Rocket Man.