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THE SECRET STORY OF OBAMA'S RESPONSE TO PUTIN'S ATTACK ON THE 2016 ELECTION
Mother Jones Magazine
March 9, 2018
This is the second of two excerpts from:
"Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump"
By Michael Isikoff, chief investigative corespondent for Yahoo News,
and David Corn, Washington Bureau Chief for Mother Jones.
The book will be released March 13.
CIA Director John Brennan was angry.
On August 4, 2016, he was on the phone with Alexander Bortnikov, the head of Russia's FSB, the security service that succeeded the KGB.
It was one of the regularly scheduled calls between the two men, with the main subject once more the horrific war in Syria.
By this point, Brennan had had it with the Russian spy chief.
For the past few years, Brennan's pleas for help in diffusing the Syrian crisis had gone nowhere.
And after they finished discussing Syria - again with no progress - Brennan addressed tow other issues, not on the official agenda.
First Brennan raised Russia's harassment of U.S. diplomats - an especially sensitive matter at Langley after an undercover CIA officer had been beaten outside the U.S. Embassy in Moscow two months earlier.
The continuing mistreatment of U.S. diplomats, Brennan told Bortnikov, was "irresponsible, reckless, intolerable and needed to stop."
And, he pointedly noted, it was Bortnikov's own FSB "that has been most responsible for this outrageous behavior."
Then Brennan turned to an even more sensitive issue: Russia's interference in the American election.
Brennan now was aware that at least a year earlier Russian hackers had begun their cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee.
"We know you're doing this," Brennan said to the Russian.
He pointed out that Americans would be enraged to find out Moscow was seeking to subvert the election and that such an operation could backfire.
Brennan warned Bortnikov that if Russia continued this information warfare, there would be a price to pay.
He did not specify the consequences.
More:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/why-the-hell-are-we-standing-down/
Raster
(20,998 posts)...there would be a price to pay."
I guess Comrade Tortoise McConnell didn't get that memo, eh?
BlueTsunami2018
(3,490 posts)By refusing to put up a united bipartisan front against Russia and threatening to publicly accuse Legitimate President Obama of using the meddling to unfairly influence the election, they effectively sabotaged the country. Thats how little they care about the nation and its values. Their perverted ideology is far more important to them. Its pretty much treason.
Now, you might say that we should have gone ahead anyway and Ill agree. Id much rather have asshole Тяцмр on the outside screaming foul than have him where he is right now, on the verge of destroying the country for good and all.
We should have hammered those bastards. Letting up killed us.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)+1000
Nwgirl503
(406 posts)And who were they worried about pissing off with potential partisanship? The minority of the country? Jesus, I'm really effing tired of the minority ruling the majority.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)GOD DAMMIT
Skittles
(153,138 posts)he dropped the ball, BIG TIME
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Dont we wish...the biggest response from the right has been a gigantic meh
erronis
(15,222 posts)Checklist:
- Foreigners - verboten - CHECK
- Non-whites - verboten - CHECK
- Liberals - verboten - CHECK
- Freedom to gather - verboten - WORKING ON IT
- Freedom to communicate - - FCC - WORKING ON IT
- Freedom to make choices about marriage, children - WORKING ON IT
Of course for the privileged - they can do whatever the fvck they want.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)poboy2
(2,078 posts)when talking about the inside help the Trump traitors conspired to accept.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)alrighty then
Duppers
(28,117 posts)triron
(21,994 posts)LisaM
(27,800 posts)He had a bully pulpit. Who cares what McConnell thought or did? Would that have stopped Reagan or Dubya if the circumstances had been different?
Obama has the ability to deliver short, scathing talks that cut like a knife. This would have been the time and place.
onetexan
(13,035 posts)chief among them being way too analytical and slow to act when he should have been more decisive.
He was on his way out, what did he have to lose?? Who cares what the turtle & beady-eyed hypocrit threaten him with when the US was being attacked digitally by the Russians?
I have to say Obama is partly to blame on his hesitance to stand up to Mcconnell & Ryan given what was at stake.
O did not make the right call on this one, and we're paying for it.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)The time period in question where he did not publicly act - late summer 2016 - was when Hillary Clinton was at her peak vs Trump. Some polls had her as much as 10 points ahead nationally. In that context, read the article's description of Obama's concern. He was concerned that it would look like a political action on his part to damage Trump. He also feared that if Russia's goal was to sow suspicion that the election was not fair, Obama calling out Russia could itself be turned to "proving" Russia right.
Consider that the idea that Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta hacks was very public and even HRC alluded to it in the debates. It was also known that Manafort, the head of his Trump's campaign had to quit because of ties to Russia. It was also known that Trump/Manaford had changed the platform on Ukraine to a pro Russia position. Remember that Trump took flack for claiming that Russia was not in Ukraine in August. The seeds of the current allegations were there in 2016 and were very well known.
Another thing to consider is that almost everyone in the Obama administration is - on several issues - is trying to get their story out in a way that makes them look as good as possible. Taking all the stories as a whole, they seriously considered everything the intelligence agencies found and each - in their area of responsibility - proposed what could be done. Note that here, some things are conjecture - incluuding most noticably what actually was said in the Obama/Putin meeting. Another point, is that the people in the administration who were NOT suppose to be political (everyone except the Obamas and Bidens) were seriously concentration on the integrity of the election and the country.
onetexan
(13,035 posts)were up to no good and there was some intel re: trump in cahoots with them.
" He was concerned that it would look like a political action on his part to damage Trump. He also feared that if Russia's goal was to sow suspicion that the election was not fair, Obama calling out Russia could itself be turned to "proving" Russia right."
Therein lies the problem. It's not O's style to outright come out with something. His administration's legacy and accomplishments were at stake. Obamacare would be threatened, 50 years of progress on civil rights would be erased (he said so himself), environmental and consumer protections rolled back, and the country overrun by nefarious actors looking to line their pockets. Worst - our democracy is now at stake. We have an out of control, ignorant, self-centered man attempting to set himself up as a dictator.
As i've said, given what was at stake - an attack by a foreign adversary - O needed to stand up to turtle and ryan, which he did not.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)in support.
Not to mention, what he could have said at the earlier point WAS said on October 6. The US government very definitively said that Russia was linked to the DNC and Podesta hackings. It was also very clearly said that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia --- and it was that story that caused him to be thrown out. It was covered that Trump changed the platform on Ukraine. What was NOT provable in mid 2016 was that the Trump campaign was working with Russia. That is what Mueller is investigating and which he may in 2018 make a clear case happened.
What Obama wanted with Ryan and McConnell was a joint bipartisan statement on what Russia was doing. Obviously, it would NOT accuse the republican campaign of colluding with Russia. The Republicans refused. What the Obama team then did was the strong intelligence statement -- about a month or two later. You could argue that that month made a difference, but the conventional wisdom is no one is listening in August. To my knowledge, neither Ryan or McConnell challenged the Intelligence Committee statement. Keeping things nonpartisan was key as can be seen by the paragraphs on the need to work with the 50 states to safeguard the actual voting.
In summer 2016, very very few people considered it even remotely possible that Trump could win. In fact, the Clinton campaign itself - even in October, after her numbers fell - was focused on a blowout victory rather than a safe narrow win, suggesting they absolutely were not worried about losing. (They had campaign events in places like Arizona and were spending big ad money there and in other red states. ) Consider that in that time frame, you had a growing list of Republican statesmen and pundits saying they would not vote for Trump.
Obviously, the path history took is disasterous from our point of view. Therefore, it is natural that EVERY decision made will be questioned as wrong. However, we can not know what the impact would have been had something different been done. Even continuing to push TPP that last year might have had more impact than not doing more on this. Comey's press conference when he closed the Clinton case, the letter on the Weiner laptop, and the final statement all likely had more impact. It is possible that even Clinton fainting - to some giving credibility to his comments that she was unhealthy - might have had more impact.
Here, it is not clear that ANY Obama action in spring/summer would have done more than what he did. It is entirely possible that On the domestic political side, Trump would have twisted a strong dennunciation of what Russia did to say that it showed that Obama and Secretary of State Clinton (yeah I KNOW who was SoS) were so weak that they allowed Russia to develop this ability and they did not keep America safe. (Seriously - we have all heard enough Trump that we could almost hear his loathsome voice making those charges.) In addition, the more publicly done, the more likely that there would have been some Russian response somewhere. Any blowup would hurt Clinton because she was alligned with Obama.
The OP includes a well thoughtout analysis of what the Obama administration was dealing with and it shows that they did take everything very seriously. The secrecy they operated under shows how grave and explosive they considered what was happening. Note that each organiation developed options (sanctions etc) that could be deployed. Obama himself spoke to Putin on the sidelines of an international conference.
Not to mention, in a close election EVERY factor can be said to have allowed the winner to win. There is no real way to decompose all the factors and mathematically define what the result would have been had something not happened. In 2016, there were a cascade of bad things that happened to the Clinton campaign - some within her control, some not. You also had the impact of decades of right wing expansion growing among people left behind by the economy, frightened by all the changes in society that we rejoice in. More from their need and longing for a leader than anything he ever did to earn their trust, they became almost cultlike followers of Trump. They delighted in his rudeness to everyone they disliked - especially Obama and Hillary Clinton. They vicariously enjoyed that he was not afraid to be rude and vulgar - oddly, considering that almost a strength.
In some ways, blaming mistakes on our side - either Obama's or Clinton and her campaigns is less scary than considering the very frightening reality. Nearly half the voters in this country voted for a man who could easily be seen as personally immoral, a pathological liar, and someone very prone to arguing for policies against everything this country ever stood for. Look at everything that was 100% known about Trump before the election and ask yourself what Obama could have said that would have caused many of those people to not vote for Trump.
onetexan
(13,035 posts)but bottom line O should have made it known to the public of the russian meddling. Much as i like O, i can't excuse him for this one.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)statement in the debates. I don't get how you missed that. As this is short enough for a tweet, I assume it is short enough for you.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)no matter what the repubs thought, he should of told the American people the truth
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Or at least Manafort was involved and it seemed out of bounds. Obama needed to act strongly then, expel a few charge d'affaires. The closer it got to the election, the more difficult and more constrained were his options. IMO
KPN
(15,642 posts)Obama was a great President, no question about that in my mind. But perhaps he wrongly let respect for others get in the way on this one. If he had a weakness or weaknesses, they were at least virtuous ones. I still like and admire the guy. Too bad the other side was -- and still is -- so morally bankrupt.
BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)Putin could've crippled the internet or power grid probably. Our cyber defense is very weak in this country. Obama didn't wanna wreck the whole economy over this.
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)Iran had hacked some major banks and other stuff just to prove they could (Stuxnet?) after Iran found out that the US was working with Israel to disrupt their computers that managed uranium enrichment.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)I think a lot of people made political calculations with the assumption that HRC would be able to maintain the lead and win the 2016 election.
triron
(21,994 posts)Perhaps even Comey is guilty of that.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Everyone knew there was stuff going on to a greater or lesser degree, but assumed HRC could still win it.
Hell, I even think Lord Commander Marmalade did too. I'm still convinced he didn't really want to win -- just be close enough to gain power.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)I am not sure that the full scope of how the hacked information was being used was clear until long after the election.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)So I will only say this: If Hillary Clinton had been elected in 2008, none of this would have happened.