Everybody does understand Trump has won? No matter what Mueller finds out, it will

[patricia92243]

be discounted by most people because Intel Committee has said his administration is not guilty.


It also proves beyond a doubt that the Republicans will not impeach him no matter how dire the circumstances.

Some of his administration will be in trouble - but not him.

The American people have lost.

[NCTraveler]

1. There are connections and assumptions here...

That aren’t possible to make with any real backing. That and an abuse of the word “most”.

[former9thward]

47. All sides on the internet abuse "most"

People like to project their own views on everyone else. Like "The world thinks ..." or "twitter is going wild over ..." ignoring the billions who think the other way or don't care one way or the other.

[Hortensis]

58. Personally, I like the "all" in this context.

I don't know what this is about. Did someone mention the relative sizes of the most-discussed and puffed faction of the Democratic Party compared to the rest?

(Btw, not long ago DUers were almost weepingly grateful to black women. Did they all drop off the planet or something, because I sure wasn't referring to them. In their honor I just looked and all blacks, men included, are 2.36% in PA's 18th ward. I'm from Southern California . I can't even imagine that, but hope they're out there making their 2.36% voices heard.)

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[Vinca]

2. I totally disagree. Using the GOP's favorite term, this is a "nothing burger."

Robert Mueller just keeps going deeper and deeper and deeper into the mire. If anything, Nunes and his buddies have made themselves targets for Mueller. There must be a reason they're covering for Trump. I think Mueller will get Trump, but it's still a long way off with lots of indictments in between.

[babylonsister]

3. I disagree. Thinking people will wait for Mueller. nt

[NewJeffCT]

12. to paraphrase Adlai Stevenson

we don't need just thinking people, we need a majority

[babylonsister]

19. We ARE the majority, moreso now than ever. nt

[bdamomma]

45. I totally agree.

We are the majority we will get these SOB's. Putin too.

I am not ready to do this no way.

[Cary]

4. Please stop being so negative

They aren't the majority. We can defeat them if we don't defeat ourselves.

[samnsara]

5. i will be satisfied if every one of his family and friends go to jail...

...and hes left all alone. Dejected Rejected and Poor

[liberal N proud]

6. Or it could be used to prove the republicans are complicit in the trump-Russian cabal.

[hlthe2b]

7. So, we should all assume you are right and commit Hari Kari now?

Please.... We ALL know the problems we face. Such negativity in the face of a future we really can not accurately predict and about investigations and outcomes that we have very little to NO inside knowledge regarding is not only unwarranted, but DAMNED IRRITATING!

I want to be compassionate, but damn it, we are all dealing with this distress.

Find it within yourself to fill that glass half full and RESIST! ACTION makes for HOPE. INACTION gives way to DESPAIR.

[FreepFryer]

8. Ridiculous negativism. Get a grip before you go around disempowering others w this garbage. (n/t)

[Cha]

21. Game Over, Man!

[Docreed2003]

34. Lol...exactly

[Cha]

38. The ultimate in

Game Overism!

Bill Paxton

docreed

[wasupaloopa]

9. He is not acting like that is the outcome. The majority of people believe he is guilty of something

and are waiting for the outcome of the Mueller investigation. Also only the repubs will say he is not guilty.

So I think you are not wrong

[chuckstevens]

10. The Court of Public Opinion

Miller's findings will not immediately oust Trump, but it will give the Democrats an even better chance to take Congress in November. If the crimes are as big as I suspect, impeachment will gain major traction, as long as the Democrats are not too cautious.

Many will criticize me for saying this, but not everyone who voted for Trump is nuts. Many people simply didn't like Hillary or did not want another Clinton as president. These are the voters who may not admit it, but are horrified by Trump and will be more so after Mueller lays it all out!

[sharedvalues]

14. Hillary would have been great.

Hillary has her flaws. But nearly everyone I know who voted for Trump hates Hillary for zero good reason. All they do is spout lies about Hillary. So let’s not give them a pass for hating her. They hate her because of right wig propaganda.

[chuckstevens]

18. I am not giving a pass! I am stating what I know many people did!

You can try turn this into something It's not, but I never cricticzed Hillary Clinton!

[sharedvalues]

37. Ok +1

Hillary took so many lies against her. She’s a strong woman.

[PunksMom]

56. Right On

[Cha]

31. Yeah, because they bought into the

brainwashing and hatemongering by practically everybody but true blue Dems.

They have no freaking clue what she is really capable of.. it's all stupid sound bytes that the brainwashers repeated ad nauseam.. including m$m, while normalizing the pussy grabber.

Oh Boo Hoo.. they didn't want another Clinton.. do they give a shite about the Planet or SCOTUS.. or anything that trump is destroying?



Still Hillary got 65,844,954 MILLION VOTES. and, so many were trying to tear her down after the election.. turns out the fucking Russians had a lot to do with stopping Hillary. She was not the "bad candidate" that many brainwashers tried to push.

[sharedvalues]

11. No. Stay positive. Next indictments: Americans involved in hacking

Mueller understands the news cycle and disinformation. He will release indictments a few at a time to slowly persuade the country. Just watch.

[spanone]

13. NOPE.

[Oneironaut]

15. I agree. The ends justify the means in their mind.

They won’t care what the investigation result is. Trump could do absolutely anything - even kill someone, like he said. They will stick by him no matter what.

[Demsrule86]

32. The die hard Trump people may but that is not even close to 'most people'.

[Loki Liesmith]

16. Lol no

[dameatball]

17. Impeachment is only one direction things may go, depending on charges, if any.

For instance, "obstruction of justice" would be in a different realm than "money laundering/racketeering."

How and where those would be handled are different.

[Arkansas Granny]

20. Nunes has tried to derail this investigation from the beginning with his trips to the White House,

secret memos and the like, but Mueller is still moving forward. Since Mueller's investigation is completely separate from and not influenced by the Intel Committee, Let's wait for his findings before we throw in the towel.

IMO, Trump's actions and tweets indicate that he is afraid of what the Mueller investigation will find.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. We just vote out the miscreants including Trump.

Easy peasy.

[LexVegas]

23. Who the fuck are "most people"? nt

[patricia92243]

24. Bookmark this thread. Later, if I am wrong, I'll offer the biggest apology DU has ever seen. n/t

[Demsrule86]

30. Trump has very little support...he gamed the system, but we are on to him.

[Wednesdays]

36. You're not alone in your prognosis

"What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn't matter?"
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

Great read.

[Hoyt]

25. I don't think GOPers will do anything either. The best way to negate trump is to win big in

elections just 7 months away, with primaries just weeks away.

My fear is that Mueller's report will be so tenuous, that no action will be taken against trump. The voters have already proven they'll vote for a creepy, greedy, racist, crook.

I earned my pessimism waking up every few hours to see if Fitzgerald had indicted bush. That seemed a pretty sure thing at the time. But, nope, didn't happen.

People act like Mueller is a Democrat bent on bringing down the trump admin. I don't think that is the case. I think he is committed to upholding the law, but he's got a lot to prove to bring trump down. If clear, understandable evidence -- that even the most racist, hateful white winger would say is not acceptable in our country's elections -- were there, a lot more people would be under indictment by now. Most of the indictments so far are for things not directly related to the elections. Heck, a lot of them are for activities after the election or well before.

Besides, even if the get trump, his kids, etc., GOPers will hold the Presidency for several more years and we'll like see one, two, maybe three nominations for the Supreme Court from these pigs.

[Demsrule86]

29. Not if we get the Senate...in 18 which is tough but possible. Then we stop their nominees cold.

[ismnotwasm]

26. Trump is a clisterfuck.

[IluvPitties]

27. Most people know Devin Nunes is a partisan hack.

[Demsrule86]

28. That is not true...and is very debbie downer...only Trump supporters ...under

40% believe Trump crap. And even if he is not impeached. It is my opinion that he cannot win in 20...and I think we may be looking at indictments for Trump and his minions.

[gratuitous]

33. Your concern is duly noted

If you don't mind, some of us are going to keep fighting. Do us the courtesy (at least) of staying out of our way. Maybe there's room under the bed?

[FreepFryer]

41. +1. Very duly. (n/t)

[njhoneybadger]

35. No! We lost a battle the war is not over.

[barbtries]

39. it's not a permanent win.

if i believed that ... i don't know. i must resist.

[DinahMoeHum]

40. When the Democrats take the House in November. . .

(fingers crossed)
. . .there will be a different tune sung.

They'll re-open and speed up things and go after Trump & Co. like a duck on a June bug.

[MFM008]

42. See you in November

Tick tock .

[highplainsdem]

43. Disagree. Mueller's findings/actions are much more important than the House Intel Committee.

Given the obvious hyperpartisan bias of the committee, Trump's "win"" with them is like "winning" Fox & Friends.

[hamsterjill]

44. No. Just no.

This is still America. I refuse to hand it over to Mother Russia without a fight.

[GeorgeGist]

46. Most people are smarter than that.

[bluestarone]

48. NO FUCKIN WAY WILL we lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Mueller has nothing this would be over NOW! He's got the goods on RUMP and it's just a matter of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wiggs]

49. It is weird that the gop would do this. I don't just mean the house intelligence cte gop,

because this couldn't happen without Ryan and other goprs in the house. This was not just Nunes.

But why would they issue this 'report' when Mueller could very likely find the opposite in the near future? Wouldn't that make the GOPs report and their effort and their motivations clearer? in comparison with a real investigation, wouldn't that make clear that a congressional committee conducted a fake investigation involving a foreign adversary? Wouldn't this bolster a case of obstruction and potentially treason against those who wrote and supported the report? Even if there isn't legal jeopardy, shouldn't there be clear political jeopardy?

Something more is coming....

[zipplewrath]

50. 3 possible outcomes

1) Mueller never finds any direct link to Trump. The GOP and the faithful will give Trump a pass because they'll blame it on someone else. Even Trump Jr. gives him protection.

2) Mueller finds evidence of money laundering which implicates Trump as being coerced by Putin. This will be hard for many. The faithful will hang in there. The GOP will make all manner of excuses, but mostly force Trump to "turn over" foreign policy to the State Department "to avoid any implication of impropriety".

3) The smoking gun. Someone has the memo, the tape, the video, whatever of Trump committing an act of treason. I dunno how the GOP avoids that one.

My bet is on 2 personally. Furthermore, there are variations on each of these that make it worse/better for the GOP. One interesting scenario is that you get #2, AND the GOP takes a livin' beating in November that scares the heck out of them. They may feel the only way to "fix" things is to get rid of him. I'm thinking less about actual impeachment and more about cutting some "deal". This may especially play out if his kids start getting swept up in the problems.

[beachbum bob]

51. shouldn't peddle your doom and gloom here, especially as we democrats contine to win elections

red republican districts. We win back our country in 2018 and trump will not be president after 2020 no matter.

[kysrsoze]

52. This the difference between Dems and Repubs. Repubs never give up.

They consistently come out to vote and play the long game, while numerous Dems throw their hands up and cry uncle. Case in point is their never-ending quest to ban abortion.

If there's a single thing we can learn from Republicans, it is this.

[awesomerwb1]

53. Lordy, please have a drink or

take a xanax.

Whenever you feel down like this, please write some postcards, make some calls, get involved somehow. Doom and gloom does not help!

[napi21]

54. I disagree. I believe that anyone from either party will see the ridiculous announcement by the

House Investigation Committee is a totally partisan decision! When Mueller announces his final report, it will be backed up by solid proof of wrong doing, The hard core Pubs will openly deny the results, but the majority of citizens will believe Mueller.

[lame54]

55. We do have November

[politicaljunkie41910]

57. Intel Committee, a group of partisian GOP Congressmen, should not be confused with the

Intelligence Community. The two words may look alike, but they are very much different.

I'll wait for Mueller's decision, before I pass judgment, thank you very much.