Isn't it amazing how the Dem candidates always start out strong, but...

[Atman]

...then at the very end of the vote count, the GOP candidates make a miraculous surge? Very curious indeed.

It's almost as if the Republicans are waiting to see how many votes they need to add in order to flip the result.

[beachbum bob]

1. its how and where votes are counted

happens everywhere....some areas are slow to count and issue returns, the larger the county, the slower it is. The more rural, slower it is...

[Bradshaw3]

2. My thoughts exactly

[Dawson Leery]

3. 2006.

I believe that Chris Shays (CT-4) lost (Jim Himes defeated him in 2008).
Monroe and Oxford (upper Fairfield County and VERY REPUG) did not report until the next morning and Shays "won" by a
little under 2 points.

This is Connecticut, we get the votes counted within 2 hours of polls closing.

[Squinch]

4. Isn't it interesting how the most republican county decided at the 11th hour not to

report by district, as they were planning to do?

Fuckers.

[onenote]

5. Actually that's not how it "always' works

In some elections, the republican starts out strong and the Democrat comes on strong when the urban area votes come in. Virginia in the 2016 Presidential election is a good example of that.

[radius777]

13. also the Alabama senate race,

Jones was behind for most of the night, but then the Dem heavy areas came in and he won easily.

it's all about how the votes come in, which is unique to each race.

[Stargleamer]

6. Not typically in California

Usually in California the Democratic surge after 60% of the votes are in is quite strong.

Also, I think Al Gore was getting a surge to overtake Bush in Florida until the Supreme Court stopped the recount. Had that not happened this nightmare we are currently in would never have occurred.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

35. It's the lines in CA in minority communities. Not enough polling places for the numbers.

And this is CA. I think vote by mail is the way to go. Those ballots are usually counted last.

[MissB]

7. In Oregon, the republicans say the same thing.

What happens is the largest populated area - Multnomah County, Portland basically- is the last to provide results. And it voted overwhelmingly democratic.

[flibbitygiblets]

45. scares the crap out of me every time, too.

The rest of the state is redneck AF. They talk about Portland like it's Sodom & Gomorrah.

[MissB]

46. that's a good way of putting it.

sadly! wish the state wasn't so divided.

[CentralMass]

8. Yes. It's like e the repubs have a diala-vote machine that fudges it at the end.

[Awsi Dooger]

9. Not true

In Virginia it is exactly the opposite. The rural areas report first and then northern Virginia shoves the Democrat over the top. Never fails.

The problem in this district is we don't follow it closely every cycle. This may be exactly how the votes traditionally report by county. The early returns led to misplaced optimism of a cruise. That's why I posted early in the evening that while Allegheny looked good I don't know enough about this district to be certain.

[bdamomma]

10. its

50 50 now what the hell

[babylonsister]

11. Rachel now: 50-50 at 10pm. WOW! nt

[tritsofme]

12. No, but this thread is a good example of confirmation bias.

[Atman]

16. Hey, I did direct mail for Lamb. Of course I'm biased!

Westmoreland deciding not to report precinct results just smells stinky to me.

[mythology]

17. Except that isn't what you said

You are claiming this happens all the time with exactly zero evidence to support your position.

[Atman]

18. Oh, here we go...

Gotta love DU.

[radius777]

14. the question is, is there any Dem vote

left for us to squeeze it out... without precinct info there's no way to know.. its just coming it at random...

[barbtries]

15. yep.

they can't win fairly but they sure don't plan to lose.

[Amaryllis]

19. Such a remarkable coincidence, that.

[onenote]

40. it would be if it wasn't nonsense

Do people not remember Jones v Moore? It was only a few months ago:

Dec 12, 2017 10:20 PM EST With 86.5 percent of the precincts reporting, Doug Jones is ahead 49.6 percent to 48.9 percent for Roy Moore.

Dec 12, 2017 10:17 PM EST With 85.5 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is tied with Doug Jones at 49.5 percent.


Dec 12, 2017 10:08 PM EST With 85 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 49.5 percent to 49 percent for Doug Jones.

Dec 12, 2017 10:04 PM EST With 81 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 49.7 percent to 48.8 percent for Doug Jones.

Dec 12, 2017 9:59 PM EST With 75 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 50.6 percent to 48 percent for Doug Jones. The percentage of voters who wrote in a name other than Moore or Jones is 1.4 percent.

[Catch2.2]

20. Did you notice that one of the Republican districts...

...was stuck on 33% of the vote turned in? A little suspicious.

[BigmanPigman]

21. I bet Putin's hackers have it planned that way

as a form of torture for the Dems.

[TrollBuster9090]

23. I miss the GOOD OLD DAYS when American elections were just stolen by American Republicans...

using crooked, hackable Diebold voting machines...

I had the misfortune to watch Tucker Carlson last night, and couldn't believe my ears when the little shit claimed that THE LEFT is against using PAPER BALLOTS. Really? The left is the only political faction that WANTS paper ballots!

[BigmanPigman]

25. The sad thing is that the Fux Ruse viewers believe his BS.

The Fucking Moron told his pep rally on Sat that he has a 50% approval rating ( ). I love my new, free "I hate fox news" t-shirt that I got today.

[TrollBuster9090]

22. I can sum that up in two words...

DON SIEGELMAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_gubernatorial_election,_2002#Aftermath_controversy

[MelissaB]

24. And people don't need to forget that.

Thank you!

[MelissaB]

26. ******Notice: Important post above********

[Sophia4]

27. Rural votes tend to be conservative and come in late.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Amazing indeed.

[still_one]

29. You do realize this is a VERY RED district, right?

[D_Master81]

30. Alabama Senate Race

I believe Moore started out ahead and then Jones made a charge late and won pretty easily.

[onenote]

41. Yep. But that doesn't support the storyline some here want so they conveniently forget

Dec 12, 2017 10:20 PM EST With 86.5 percent of the precincts reporting, Doug Jones is ahead 49.6 percent to 48.9 percent for Roy Moore.

Dec 12, 2017 10:17 PM EST With 85.5 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is tied with Doug Jones at 49.5 percent.
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Dec 12, 2017 10:08 PM EST With 85 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 49.5 percent to 49 percent for Doug Jones.

Dec 12, 2017 10:04 PM EST With 81 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 49.7 percent to 48.8 percent for Doug Jones.

Dec 12, 2017 9:59 PM EST With 75 percent of the precincts reporting, Roy Moore is ahead 50.6 percent to 48 percent for Doug Jones. The percentage of voters who wrote in a name other than Moore or Jones is 1.4 percent.

[rpannier]

31. Not really

When you consider that Democrats are usually stronger in more populated centers, while Republicans are stronger in rural and some suburbs
Allegheny votes were expected to come in earlier than the other three counties -- they always do

[DeminPennswoods]

32. When Philly had lever style voting machines,

it's vote count always came in last because it was just so time-consuming to read the counters off the back and write them in the official spreadsheets.

[rpannier]

37. That is true. But, if they were like Los Angeles and San Francisco they

also were the first to begin reporting numbers.
For the last several election cycles Allegheny has been the first to begin reporting numbers
Theirs takes longer (probably like Philly) because they have many more to report

I've been watching the four precincts and Allegheny was first to begin reporting (they aren't finished), Greene (the smallest of the three and heavily republikkan) has completed theirs. Westmoreland (also heavily Republikkan) is also nearly complete as well (99%).
Right now the laggard is Washington, and they're at 93%

If the republikkans were going to cheat they'd withhold numbers from Westmoreland as it is the largest, heavily republikkan district

[GulfCoast66]

33. Its amazing you think this

Often times it is the rural republican precincts that are first in due to smaller population base. And the Democratic city precincts that are slow.

Each district is different

[2left4u]

34. It's not strange at all

You have to remember that there is a latency issue with Russia's server's trying to keep up with our servers that calculate the vote.

They'll get better before November.

[njhoneybadger]

36. We're all suffering from election shock

[Sam McGee]

38. Rural vs. Urban

Urban precincts tend to report earlier. Although they have more voters, they tend to have more poll workers who close the precinct, tally the votes, and report the preliminary results before the rural areas.

Rural areas tend to be Republican.


On another matter -- One thing I don't understand is the PA absentee ballots that are being counted late. I'm a member of the electoral board in my rural VA county. All absentee ballots in VA go the to the respective county/city registrar where the ballots are locked into a safe. On election day, a Central Absentee Precinct is active. In my county, three poll workers come in at 10:00 AM. They examine all the sealed absentee ballot envelopes to ensure the envelope is sealed and signed properly. Then, they open the envelope and, without looking at the ballot, place it into a ballot box. After all ballots are in the box, the box is opened and the ballots fed into the scanner for counting. The CAP usually has their results before the polls close, although they do not complete their tally until poll closing time in case absentee ballot(s) arrive at the last minute. Thus, our absentee ballot count is reported before the other precincts complete their tallies. PA must not do things this way.

[elocs]

39. How about Republicans view voting as their duty

while too many on the Left will only vote if they are excited or motivated to vote.
How many voters on the Left saw polls which showed Lamb would win and then just stayed home because they figured it was in the bag.
There's no point in always claiming a rigged election when your people just can't be bothered to get out and vote because that's a much more simple explanation.

[Wednesdays]

43. You mean Dem voters who stay home because of things like this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210351908

[pioche4]

42. I'm still hoping...11:11 EST Allegheny County reported its absentee ballots, lead up to 847

From TPM 11:11 EST “Short time ago..Allegheny County reported its absentee ballots. Those came in overwhelmingly for Lamb, leaving him with an 847 vote lead. The remaining counties are all red counties and all plan to count their absentee votes tomorrow. It looks hard for Saccone to make up that margin.” https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog

[czarjak]

44. Cheating...

It’s what they do.