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BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:43 PM Mar 2018

**** BREAKING New York Times calls it for Lamb ****

Conor Lamb Wins Pennsylvania House Seat and Shows Democrats the Way Into Trump Country

By ALEXANDER BURNS and JONATHAN MARTINMARCH 14, 2018

Conor Lamb, a Democrat and former Marine, scored a razor-thin but extraordinary upset in a special House election in Southwestern Pennsylvania after a few thousand absentee ballots delivered Democrats a win in the heart of President Trump’s Rust Belt base.

The victory still may be contested, but Mr. Lamb’s current 627-vote lead appears insurmountable, given that the four counties in Pennsylvania’s 18th district have about 500 provisional, military and other absentee ballots left to count, county election officials said. That slim margin, out of almost 230,000 ballots cast, nonetheless upended the political landscape ahead of this November’s midterm elections and emboldened fellow Democrats to run maverick campaigns even in deep-red areas where Republicans remain bedeviled by Mr. Trump’s unpopularity.

Republican officials in Washington said they were likely to demand a recount through litigation, and the National Republican Congressional Committee put out a call for voters to report any irregularities in the balloting. Matt Gorman, a spokesman for the committee, said the party was “not conceding anything.”

But absent significant adjustments in the tally, Mr. Lamb, a 33-year-old former prosecutor from a local Democratic dynasty, has pulled off a staggering upset over Rick Saccone, a Republican state legislator, in a district that Mr. Trump carried by nearly 20 percentage points in 2016.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/democrats-republicans-pennsylvania-special-election.html


They now join NBC News as an outlet calling it for Lamb.



TEXT
The New York Times

@nytimes

Breaking News: The Democrat Conor Lamb has an insurmountable lead in a Pennsylvania House race in Trump country. We’re calling it in his favor.https://nyti.ms/2Dsf1Ct
5:38 PM - Mar 14, 2018
Conor Lamb’s approach to his Pennsylvania congressional campaign could become a template for a cluster of more moderate Democrats contesting conservative-leaning seats in other states.
Conor Lamb Wins Pennsylvania House Seat and Shows Democrats the Way Into Trump Country

Democrat Conor Lamb’s performance in a Southwestern Pennsylvania House race rattled Republicans and showed Democrats how to win back Trump voters.
nytimes.com
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**** BREAKING New York Times calls it for Lamb **** (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 OP
Insurmountable! Cattledog Mar 2018 #1
Plus any "recount" BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #5
or they "find" some ballots... Matt_R Mar 2018 #61
Or fake paper ballots they quickly drafted to put vaccine over onetexan Mar 2018 #62
That's what Walker does with his girlfriend in Waukesha County in Wisconsin DFW Mar 2018 #70
I am way elated! eom sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #2
Woohoo!! bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #3
Awesome! StarryNite Mar 2018 #4
YeSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #6
funny, not one tweet about last night's election from Toxic Don spanone Mar 2018 #7
Nope. Nothing since the 12th! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #12
There's still time. jmowreader Mar 2018 #17
He's in "Rick Who?" mode by now gratuitous Mar 2018 #18
His staff spoke for him. Said lamb won because he embraced trumps policies Demovictory9 Mar 2018 #59
yeahbut Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #8
Yeah Gothmog Mar 2018 #9
When it comes to the point DFW Mar 2018 #10
So, we'll take the nose, and they can kiss our ass. ChubbyStar Mar 2018 #13
Exactly BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #27
Brian Williams is a tool. llmart Mar 2018 #48
Oh I know BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #50
I can not take Brian. True Blue American Mar 2018 #64
yeah cant wait till November brettdale Mar 2018 #11
I'm so Profoundly Grateful!!! Cha Mar 2018 #14
Yes! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #16
I'm so Happy, right now! Cha Mar 2018 #19
I added the tweet in the OP BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #21
Exactly, BRDS.. this Election! Cha Mar 2018 #23
You didnt get any sleep,either? True Blue American Mar 2018 #65
I did go to sleep after I kept checking Cha Mar 2018 #66
With Conor winning True Blue American Mar 2018 #67
I bet it was Cha Mar 2018 #69
The GOP got Lamb-basted! sheshe2 Mar 2018 #15
Good one, she! Cha Mar 2018 #20
Why, thank you my dear. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #75
LOL sheshe!!! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #22
;) sheshe2 Mar 2018 #74
LOL MustLoveBeagles Mar 2018 #76
Hahahahaha sheshe2 Mar 2018 #78
Victory! Progressive2020 Mar 2018 #24
Well Done Sir njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #25
Yaaaaaaay! smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #26
I found the problem with Pa18, Historic NY Mar 2018 #28
. ffr Mar 2018 #32
Wait wut? BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #34
Maybe they should have called an exterminator. Marie Marie Mar 2018 #35
Yipee! Upthevibe Mar 2018 #29
thanking those PA voters Skittles Mar 2018 #30
Fox News is reporting there were 8 boxes of ballots found just now. ffr Mar 2018 #31
Did they even mention the election at all? BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #33
... mountain grammy Mar 2018 #36
Let's watch how he did it so we can ALL do the same thing in our own PatrickforO Mar 2018 #37
It really feels like a turning point in this awful situation we are in. honest.abe Mar 2018 #38
Yes BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #39
Lets keep the ball rolling. honest.abe Mar 2018 #40
This, along with Virginia, Alabama True Blue American Mar 2018 #63
"Republicans remain bedeviled by Mr. Trump's unpopularity"? rocktivity Mar 2018 #41
It's repubs fault DownriverDem Mar 2018 #73
I love that word-- INSURMOUNTABLE MissKat Mar 2018 #42
THANK YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #43
Thank you for what you do. llmart Mar 2018 #49
You, madam, are a true patriot GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #55
Thank you, MissKat!!!! Well done! Get some hot cocoa and enjoy! nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #58
This for his asshole opponent who declared that Democrats hate God: ,,/, calimary Mar 2018 #44
Yes! gademocrat7 Mar 2018 #45
I am happy! SCVDem Mar 2018 #46
Yes because they are going to have to vote again in May for the primary BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #47
*ahem* as I said earlier ________ Saccone THIS Trump! underpants Mar 2018 #51
LOL BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #52
Woo Hoo!! jalan48 Mar 2018 #53
BEDEVILED! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2018 #54
Can we just talk about how humiliating a defeat this is for drumpf and the rethugs? Takket Mar 2018 #56
Well, both candidates support the tariffs, which I'm sure helped. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #60
What are we learning from this Upset? Civic Justice Mar 2018 #57
Being too far left True Blue American Mar 2018 #68
You should make this an OP BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #71
Remember: Districts Vary DownriverDem Mar 2018 #72
+1. N/t Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #77

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
5. Plus any "recount"
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:49 PM
Mar 2018

is probably only going to yield the same numbers since there's no "verifiable" paper trail (outside of the absentees).

Matt_R

(456 posts)
61. or they "find" some ballots...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 12:29 AM
Mar 2018

or maybe memory chips that just happened to include thousands, no tens of thousands of votes, each... ten times that of any voting machine recorded to date in that precinct.

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
62. Or fake paper ballots they quickly drafted to put vaccine over
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:34 AM
Mar 2018

Wouldn't put it past the bastards

DFW

(54,055 posts)
70. That's what Walker does with his girlfriend in Waukesha County in Wisconsin
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:27 AM
Mar 2018

I don't think they can arrange that on short notice in PA with a Democratic governor.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
7. funny, not one tweet about last night's election from Toxic Don
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:52 PM
Mar 2018

the kiss of death to any hopeful republicans

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. He's in "Rick Who?" mode by now
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:13 PM
Mar 2018

Never heard of Saccone. Pennsylvania? Is that even a place? No idea what anyone's talking about.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,041 posts)
8. yeahbut
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:53 PM
Mar 2018

He didn't win the popul.... er
He didn't support Demo.... er
The repugs didn't really suppo... er

He didn't campaign amongst chocolate rabbits!

So there!



(Will twitter suffer an orange onslaught in the morning?)

DFW

(54,055 posts)
10. When it comes to the point
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:54 PM
Mar 2018

...where even if ALL outstanding/provisionals go for Saccone and Lamb is still ahead, he has won.

Just by a nose, but if the Republicans had won by the same margin, they would be celebrating and giving us the finger as loudly as they could, calling us sore losers for considering a recount. So, we'll take the nose, and they can kiss our ass.

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
27. Exactly
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:37 PM
Mar 2018

When I listened to Lamb's speech last night, Brian Williams had presaged it as most likely being similar to Saccone's earlier speech thanking the attendees and telling them to go on home and get some rest.

Yet Lamb did no such thing and with his first sentence I started cracking up because he was giving an acceptance speech and after about 5 minutes in, a flustered Williams broke in and started mumbling that no one had called it yet for him and whatnot.

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
50. Oh I know
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:51 PM
Mar 2018

That is why I only listened to audio of the program vs watching the TV... and mainly because he was on right after Lawrence O'Donnell so I just kept the radio on.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
64. I can not take Brian.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:21 AM
Mar 2018

His voice just kills me. And he is so sanctimonious in his judgements.

Love Larry,Ari Melber, Ali , I first heard him on AJ. Never knew he was so successful on CNN. Went to AJ because he could investigate real stories. NBC seems to have turned him loose so he can tell the truth.

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
21. I added the tweet in the OP
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:16 PM
Mar 2018

and I know I was awake (but in bed) listening to M$NBC on my SiriusXM radio until 2:30 am EDT this morning! I usually don't follow special elections like this, even in my own state, but for some reason, I needed to follow this and am glad!

Cha

(295,926 posts)
23. Exactly, BRDS.. this Election!
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:28 PM
Mar 2018

I saw your posts in LBN last night.. I knew you were extra anxious like we all were!

I love it that trump had such a hate filled rally on Sunday.. and it was Rejected in PA18 on Tuesday!

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
65. You didnt get any sleep,either?
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:26 AM
Mar 2018


I tried to go to sleep. Read a little,flipped the TV back on.

At midnight I gave up. Woke a couple of hours later, watched Kornacki. Never went back to sleep.

Had a family outing. Went to bed at 7’, sleeping 8 hours!

Cha

(295,926 posts)
66. I did go to sleep after I kept checking
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:45 AM
Mar 2018

to see if there was any concrete news on whether Conor officially won!

Your night sounds like some of mine sometimes, though.

I was a nervous wreck all day.. I tried all kinds of ways to calm myself but my mind wasn't having it!

It was so close.. but in a District that the mole won in 2016 by 20pts.. it's a miracle and Conor Lamb!

TBA

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
67. With Conor winning
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 05:30 AM
Mar 2018

And watching the march yesterday, seeing the young rushing to the steps of Congress, excited to see the Democrats march down those steps to join them, I actually felt happier than I have been since the election of 2016!

I am so proud of those young people, future Democrats. Nixon, Reagan, Bush were bad, but I have a feeling the young will remember this all their lives.

Along with those older Union members who came back home in Pa. to the Party that created them in the first place.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
69. I bet it was
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 05:56 AM
Mar 2018

incredibly beautiful! I'm really so proud of the KIDS, too We tried to get sensible gun laws after Sandy Hook.. the nra/gop wouldn't hear of it.

I missed it.. looking forward to it.

One more thing.. Conor won in spite of trump imposing tariffs to win votes.. and it's reported that Lamb won the most points on Obamacare/Healthcare.

Kick in the head for the mole.

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
24. Victory!
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:30 PM
Mar 2018

Well done to Conor Lamb and all of his Supporters! Prepare for a Blue Wave in November! Trump and his Stooges are in for a beating! Resist, Oppose, Impeach!

ffr

(22,649 posts)
31. Fox News is reporting there were 8 boxes of ballots found just now.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:49 PM
Mar 2018

Right next to their NYC copier.

They're rushing the boxes to Pennsylvania as we speak. Their corporate donors say they will foot the bill for a recount.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
38. It really feels like a turning point in this awful situation we are in.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

The first time since Nov 2016, that I am feeling somewhat optimistic... somewhat.

Well done Mr Lamb!

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
63. This, along with Virginia, Alabama
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:14 AM
Mar 2018

Is making me feel not so numb any more.

Perhaps we stand a chance against the utter corruption of the Republican Party.

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
41. "Republicans remain bedeviled by Mr. Trump's unpopularity"?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:14 PM
Mar 2018

Republicans remain bedeviled by Mr. Trump, period.


rocktivity

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
73. It's repubs fault
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:54 AM
Mar 2018

trump is not a repub, trump is not a conservative either. trump bullied his way to the repub nomination and winning (dubious at best) the presidency. If the Dems win control of the House, watch trump make deals with them big time. trump has no values regarding politics except for whatever helps him.

MissKat

(218 posts)
42. I love that word-- INSURMOUNTABLE
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:17 PM
Mar 2018

Yesterday my daughter and I stood outside for nearly 10 hours (okay, with breaks) in the cold with blowing snow to greet voters. It has been a long slog...getting to know Conor, watching him grow as a candidate, and discovering he really is a decent, nice guy. I've said on this site and some others, he is his own man. He is absolutely no Republican. He is a Democrat through and through and proud of that. It stuns me that the GOP spent over TEN MILLION dollars on Sad Sack Saccone. What a grumpy, dumpy, old man he is. (Actually, I wonder if his health is bad-- his coloring is awful, sort of grayish yellow).

So, our Resistance group will take a deep breath, a rest, and get ready for the next haul. But here's the interesting thing-- well over 70% of Democrats showed up to vote and just over 50% of Republicans. We had a good candidate, one we were proud to support and he stayed on message and worked so hard.

Okay. I'm still exhausted. I'm taking a long, lovely soak in the tub and dreaming of that word, INSURMOUNTABLE.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
55. You, madam, are a true patriot
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:38 PM
Mar 2018

And dare I say a hero. You have of given of yourself for others. And if we take the house back this fall please know you had an outsized impact on that effort. Because it all will have started with this race and great Americans like you.

Thank you very much.

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
47. Yes because they are going to have to vote again in May for the primary
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:34 PM
Mar 2018

in the redrawn districts and then again in November!

Takket

(21,425 posts)
56. Can we just talk about how humiliating a defeat this is for drumpf and the rethugs?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:02 PM
Mar 2018

they passed their beloved tax scam
drumpf imposed the tariffs, which if it is going to help any state, it is PA
drumpf personally rambled on for over an hour in support of their candidate

AND WE STILL WON!!!!!!!!!!!

And drumpf HATES THAT, and that is the best part.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
60. Well, both candidates support the tariffs, which I'm sure helped.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:28 PM
Mar 2018

I imagine anyone running in PA will have to support the tariffs.

The Paul Ryan line is...well, what we had here was basically two conservatives running...supporting the tariffs, pro life, etc. It's true that Lamb supports the tariffs, he is not pro life. He is pro choice but is personally against abortion. Which is what pro choice is all about.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
57. What are we learning from this Upset?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:10 PM
Mar 2018
What are we learning from this Upset?

Let's consider a few things; We have a right wing, who leans far right, and many cannot fathom the concepts of "full circle citizen and persons "equality". If one thinks back, even during President Johnson's march up to the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, there were many Right Wing minded people, who did not want to give up "White Privilege" and participate in "Equality for All".
Well that mindset has not vanished within many. They have never embraced or wanted to deal with "full circle equality"... they have no idea of how to fit, and where to fit within that concept. Because, they never had to within their enclaves.

Therefore, as Lamb as a Democrat, stands in the Democratic Middle, with strong support for Labor. Then we have to consider, if we want to bring over those left leaning Republican as well as those standing in the middle, we cannot go "far left'... We have to bring them to the Middle of the what is the Democratic Premise and Its Ideals for progress. And we have to help them learn to become comfortable, to learn, that "Equality" takes nothing from them, but gives them even more than they thought they had, 'because the power of unity, promotes progress in all things that such unity aspires".. Then we can help them learn, that the ideals of 'conservatism" has been hung around their neck like a lead weight, and has lined the bottom of their shoes and boots with lead embedded in the sole. To help keep them as being nothing more than the "service class to the wealthy".

As they begin to learn, they can be helped to look back at the history and see, they came from the likes of servant labor, indentured servitude and made into servant labor, and via the circle of debt, still made to be indentured to the wealthy. They have to come and learn how bias and bigotry, has been like a "limited chain" that holds them into a tight parameter, which does not allow them to move beyond and learn the benefits of unity, and the prosperity within Multicultural teamwork.

This is somethings that has not been made understandable to them, even within the cycles where slavery existed and in the area where black codes were put in place.

They were unable to hear MLK, in the words he spoke in the speech at Selma, because they were so enraged with racist animosity, and fearful of what equality represents.

MLK said:

(((http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/documentsentry/doc_address_at_the_conclusion_of_selma_march/index.html
" the root cause, of racial segregation in the Southland. Racial segregation as a way of life did not come about as a natural result of hatred between the races immediately after the Civil War.There were no laws segregating the races then. And as the noted historian, C. Vann Woodward, in his book, The Strange Career of Jim Crow, clearly points out, the segregation of the races was really a political stratagem employed by the emerging Bourbon interests in the South to keep the southern masses divided and southern labor the cheapest in the land. You see, it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low." )))


People also have to understand that the Right to Vote, was to void out by race the ability of the people, to have political voice, because if the people were freed to have political voice, they would have then been able not only to tear down the walls of segregation, they would have been able to help the poor and uneducated whites of the era, to what they have been denied and how they had been misled to fight against their own best interest. The wealthy have for decades upon decades sold the working poor and poor whites a "hoodwinking games", to make them think... "the wealthy will take care of them".

This same game is what Trump uses against the people. When his personal business has never been for supporting workers having voice, or being paid a fair wage; he stands against Minimum wage hike, which is necessary to meet the standard of living. He supports the low wage, that is GUARANTEED to keep people, in a circle and cycle of debt, which makes them indentured to the wealthy, be it a wealthy person or a wealthy organization or enterprise. Thus so, in process making them no different than being fed, the lines that SERF's were fed, to keep them in Serfdom.

The Democratic Model is about "OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL", "Fair Pay, and Workers having voice", and people have the political power of "Voice"... These are things the old system of Conservatism, born of Confederate Idealism does not want to see happen and they do everything they can to fight against it. Today, they use Religion as a tool against the people in the way they enlist the modern Day Evangelical to mislead people through their faith.
But what people must realize is 'The Right Wing Evangelical system, was born and bred in the age of Slavery and Indentured Servititude, and it has been nurtured from Slavery system wealthy plantation as industry owners, to and through the era of segregation and into modern day, still with the same ideology. They simply adapt it to current times, but their ideals have not changed, nor has the power structure that controls their system of Evangelical aims of grooming.

Therefore, considering these variables, (which there are many more to be considered), it is necessary for us as Democrats, to know that we must be within the "Middle"... not Far Left... To truly understand that, we must know, that society is slow to change, change is gradual and over time... many things can be made understood in the days of tomorrow, of what is expansive in the Democratic system, which can bring understanding and through understanding people can be brought to acceptance of the full spectrum of Equality.

We have to listen careful to the politician, and push them in the right direction, and hold them to holding the course.

In this aim and this gain scenario, we can look at some of our Democratic people, who speak of fairness, in business, banking and civil society as well as business and community. Those are the ones, we must push to 'use their voice" and support their position and if they campaign... we don't need them wasting time attacking the Right Wingers, their time should be spent to explain to the people, the values benefits of the ideals and the benefits that WE gain as being a force for the good of all.
Eventually people even today have become tired of the "attack and divisiveness" because Trump has worn that madness out and took it to such extremes, that it is seen the world over and across this nations, as a negative vile, that does nothing but distract and disrupt and ultimately breeds distension and destroys our civility, while it promotes the intent to dismantle our Governance system and assault our Democracy.


True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
68. Being too far left
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 05:38 AM
Mar 2018

Was a good share of our problems in the first place.

Being victims does not work! We are fighters. Fighting for rights,decent wages, taking care of those who really need help. The young, old and infirm.

Working, not dependence for those who do not need it. Taking care of our Veterans who were wrongly led into war. Ending those wars.

Modernizing our own country. Lifting all.

BumRushDaShow

(127,312 posts)
71. You should make this an OP
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:31 AM
Mar 2018

One thing that does distinguish the 2 frames of thought is "individualism" vs "collectivism" and it will always be difficult to reconcile these ideas.

You see it in the animal kingdom - some species operate and thrive and survive singularly and others function and thrive and survive in groups/packs.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
72. Remember: Districts Vary
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:52 AM
Mar 2018

Districts vary all over the country. Candidates need to run their own campaigns based on their own districts. That's why purity crap folks are clueless as to who we are as a country. Get electoral wins. Then work to change the party. I can't say this enough. Otherwise the repubs will win.

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