Hillary had the presidency stolen from her! I am so tired of some dems

[triron]

trashing her or telling her to go away. Fuck'em to hell.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Thank you!

I was just talking about trump taking orders from putin, you may have not got me because I am cryptic sometimes, (different thread) i write in short hand but you and I agree on this one hundred and ten percent

[triron]

5. Got it.

[DemocracyMouse]

18. Troll hysteria. Ignore these type of posts

[marble falls]

67. These OPs are nothing but mosh pits.

[MrsCoffee]

75. Ok, consider this post ignored.

[dlk]

78. Calling Someone a Troll Who is Upset the Election Was Stolen Sounds Awfully Sexist

[DemocracyMouse]

84. No one in DU is hating on Hillary. The post was dredging up bile from the past to divide us.

[Hortensis]

30. Mean-spirited amateur hostiles fool themselves that

they're not a miserable fringe and are not doomed most elections to failure, except when Republican victories like 2016 give them bitter but real wins. Which they restyle as needed to fit delusions of righteousness and justify their behaviors.

Apparently that last needs frequent bucking up. This firestorm follows our exciting win in Pennsylvania which, wonderfully encouraging to by far most of us, instead requires some of that bucking up for a few. Interesting, that coincides with the right's own post-election attacks, with overlapping subjects for attacks also.

I'm revisiting an old West Wing episode right now, a happier. simpler world where all those trying to destroy Bartlett's administration are from the right.

It's okay, Nancy. Democrats have your back!

[Left-over]

64. Unite!!! Behind all Democrats.

The alternative SUCKS!!!

[onit2day]

87. Yes, fuck all 4 of those democrats trashing Hillary

[LexVegas]

2. Yep. Fuck 'em. nt

[arthritisR_US]

3. You echo my sentiments!

[Wwcd]

4. They aren't Dems, no more now than during 2015/16. Simple.

Saying they are doesn't always mean they are.
Not the way this stolen election went down anyway.
They exposed their agenda a long time ago & they're not in it for the Dem Party.

We see them.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. Nose holding, whining assholes.

THEY Are why we are here.

We know the GOP is gonna get a certain number of votes in every election, cant fix stupid.

The difference is when the public hears ENDLESS nonstop BASHING of someone, they end up not voting.

[Wwcd]

10. Yup. There were some mighty big payoffs to oppose Hillary

Really, Hillary was the only candidate who actually did have the election rigged against her.

And the only one who didn't use it as a handy dandy campaign slogan.
She has way too much class & honesty, wisdom & presence to have been left to stand near the kind of anti American shitheads she was.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. When the real truth about what everybody involved did comes out, it will shake the system

to its very core.

Hopefully it wont be too late at that point, hopefully at that point the undercover KGB and FSB and GOP operatives wont have permanently ended our democracy.

[LenaBaby61]

38. When the real truth about what everybody involved did comes out, it will shake the system.

thuglicans and FATSO-in-CHIEF is destroying our country/world, and yet, Dems like McCaskill and sake Heidi Heitkamp (Who said Hillary can't go away soon enough) will STILL be running away from, trashing/bashing Hillary Clinton because they're scared of thuglicans. tRumputin's a treasonous, racist, sexist, pussy-grabbing, sexually-assaulting PIG, whose insulting McCaskill as we speak, yet McCaskill is bashing HILLARY? and Heitkamp says that Hillary can't go away soon enough?

[BoneyardDem]

59. Maybe this will be the impetus to change vote counting away from EC

Every person deserves to have their vote count and not be nullified simply by virtue of residency.

[melman]

19. Really? Let's hear the details on that

Who got paid off and how do you know?

[Cary]

29. Someone didn't get invited to the meeting

Gee, I wonder why not.

[ehrnst]

70. "payoffs" vs "being paid off"

Such as: "The payoff for being patient was excellent results in a recipe."

"One of the payoffs for the Kremlin of Hillary Clinton being kept out of the White House was that a groomed asset was there instead."

Vs:

"Trump paid off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet."

Is that clearer?

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. Those who continue to aid and abet these traitors by attacking Democrats, are not going to

be forgotten.

I have nothing but rage for them.

[Wwcd]

53. They're all paid from the same anti American money machines.

Jesus Christ Eliot, Hillary Clinton stood solidly for America, & took on the effing Coup of the International Crime Syndicate.
Wow.
Thank you Sec Hillary Clinton 🍃

[R B Garr]

81. Me too. I wonder how far down the list is Tad Devine.

Where is Tad Devine.

[Beartracks]

60. Class, honesty, wisdom... You know: the dreaded Status Quo so many were afraid of!

[DavidDvorkin]

6. Stolen from us.

[triron]

7. yes and some senate seats as well.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. For sure and it is getting more and more clear McConnell, Ryan and others are directly

benefiting from Moscow.

[Wwcd]

14. I'm surprised Mueller only named the 2 beneficiaries he did

in his formal findings.

Maybe he meant just candidates. Ryan & McConnell must also be in his sight.

Only 2 benefitted

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Not to forget Obama's 2016 SCotUS pick and more. . . . .nt

[FakeNoose]

26. Yes - that's why we have Senator Pat Toomey R instead of Sen. Katie McGinty D

In Pennsylvania! We're stuck with asswipe Toomey for 5 more years.

[C Moon]

11. I'm tired of the GOP pretending they won...when they know DAMN well they fucking cheated.

They always do.

[LenaBaby61]

39. THIS

[TheSmarterDog]

13. +1000 / Attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party never helps enact a liberal/progressive agenda.

[Mr. Ected]

15. We ran the best candidate, the most qualified candidate, and she WON the damned election

When the smoke clears with the Russian investigation, it will be apparent to all that the Republicans - as a PARTY - colluded with Russia to throw the election, and then to cover it up.

They will admit nothing, and our laws do not provide an appropriate remedy for this treason.

If the Founding Fathers could have foreseen such an abomination, rest assured our Constitution would have provided for the IMMEDIATE displanting of all the traitors. Hillary would assume the role she deservedly won. And policy decisions and laws made by the traitors would be unwound and reversed.

What we have is a footrace between due process and government overthrow. Due process moves painfully slow. I'm still worried who will win this race.

[lindalou65]

24. Election stolen

You are right on the money here!

[triron]

27. Aptly put.

[mcar]

16. Agree completely!

[elmac]

17. You are 150% right

and she isn't the first. Nixon, Reagan & bush jr stole the election also. GOP crime family has a long history of election fraud. HRC would have made a great president, we were robbed, she was robbed and the country may never recover.

[Aristus]

20. Fuckin' A!

[leftofcool]

21. Damn straight!

Notice how no "real" Democrat ever comes out to disparage her

[RussBLib]

22. "They" sure did a thorough vilification of Hillary

People were coming out to vote AGAINST her, and not necessarily for Trump. They've been villifying her for years, and when you get that kind of constant drumbeat, it is going to stick with a lot of people.

Damn shame.

[LisaM]

28. And that includes the NRA and the gun people.

We spend time near a small town and every Saturday morning there is a gun show on the radio, which I forced myself to listen to a few weeks ago, and damned if they weren't taking credit for beating Hillary. "We kicked her ass!" Yes, a nationally syndicated gun show on a sports station, and they said this.

I feel like telling those lovely young kids who are walking out of their schools and fighting the good fight on this that we had a candidate who openly wanted to take on the NRA. We had her! She had ramped up her positions after Sandy Hook and the Giffords attempted assassination. She went to Pulse and looked around at the memorial (which by the way, is very touching, I saw it too). We had that candidate, but right there in your own state of Florida, you turned her down.

[Honeycombe8]

23. Why are you going back to the election of 2016? It's over.

What's the point of an OP that goes back to that time? If you have a problem with some post, alert the admins, since we're not supposed to be rehashing the 2016 election. Or have a discussion in that thread about this?

It's okay to examine things done wrong and right in the 2016 election, so those things are/are not repeated. Everyone in this forum knows that Trump didn't really win, I think. So.....????

[Demsrule86]

31. There are few lessons to be learned from what was done wrong other than beware the Russians and

GOP cheating. Also Princess Jill Stein is probably a traitor and colluded in the theft.

[safeinOhio]

36. I put a lot of blame on Dems

that stayed home. P18 showed how it's done.

[Nitram]

71. Ohio, do you have statistics to back up your contention that Dems "stayed home?"?

If they did, of course, it could have a lot to do with right wing and Russian propaganda, as well as the timing of Comey very publicly "re-opening" his investigation into her emails when he announced that the FBI had found "new evidence."

[Honeycombe8]

44. There is always something to be learned by things done in past campaigns.

Whether it's Obama's, Reagan's, Bill Clinton's, Gore's, Hillary Clinton's, Bush's.....

So history doesn't repeat itself. Or DOES repeat itself.

[Demsrule86]

57. Not this time...it was total bullshit election...we can't take lesson from it because we can't

isolate data...or make reasonable extrapolations. We may never know if we really lost.

[Honeycombe8]

58. I think we know Hillary didn't lose. But there are still lessons to be learned.

If Russia rigged it, as I think was the case, it would not have been successful, for example, if Hillary had had a bigger lead. Was it the Comey October surprise? Or was it something else?

There are always lessons to be learned from prior campaigns, no matter whose campaign. Even Republican campaigns.

You can believe that future campaigns have analyzed prior campaigns when crafting their roadmap and strategy. It's what people do, when they want information and data.

But my post was about the OP...hers was a simple complaining about a prior election and people saying what the OP perceived as criticism of Hillary. Rehashing the prior election and comments people make is pointless. I see it as relevant only when discussing campaign strategy for current and future elections.

[Demsrule86]

62. It is not about that for me...I actually voted for Sanders in Ohio...I supported Hillary

fully in the general worked for the campaign. I liked both candidates. My millennial kids wanted to all go down and vote as a family for one candidate so we did. Now, Sen Sanders had annoyed me lately..mostly because I don't think he is useful for Democrats in helping us win...I just don't think the perfect storm that was the 16 election will be repeated again anytime soon...would like to prepare for the next one and maybe there is a lesson to be learned. I am not sure. I think you learn more from elections you win.

[BaileyBill]

41. Thank you!

Even in one of the reddest counties in the reddest of states I don't know of "some" (or any) Dems who wouldn't still throw themselves in front of a bus for Hil. I may not have the right to complain, yet, but there sure seems to be a lot of nastiness about "unnamed somebodies" around here.

[Kurt V.]

32. The way the media treated her was a major fail!

[Fresh_Start]

33. I think we shouldn't make it only about what Hillary lost

Millions of us, had our choice of President stolen

She is probably sadder about what was taken from us especially from those young girls who would have been thrilled to see a woman President.

[Gothmog]

34. Agreed

Hillary has earned the right to take whatever role she wants to take in political issues

[jalan48]

35. Im sure she will be asked to help in

numerous campaigns this election year.

[2left4u]

37. Im with you!

She won the popular vote all the while having the Russian/Trump/ GOP crew screw her out of the electoral college.

Again.. for those just waking up..WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY A WIDE MARGIN!

I'm sick of hearing how she lost, she didn't do this or that...truth be told we got Trump thanks to the protest vote....end of fucking story!

She's still out fighting the good fight!


Most accomplished and experienced Presidential Candidate ever also the most consistently betrayed political figure.

Shame

[NCTraveler]

40. Completely behind this.

It’s horrifying that I’m seeing people complain about her deplorable comment as well as others. Some are literally saying it hurt her. No one heard it and said “That’s it, I’m voting for the guy who talked about possible future sexual exploits in reference to a young girl. Nor did anyone stay home because of it.

It’s nothing more than propaganda from people who are pissed we are making gains.

[vkkv]

43. What an odd post. She won by 3 million votes you know.

[triron]

45. ???

[pnwmom]

61. Your post makes little sense. n/t

[ehrnst]

68. Is she president?

Again... a quick google will prevent you from stepping in it, and tracking it all over the carpet.

[Farmer-Rick]

46. Add her name to a growing list of Democratic presidents who had their elections stolen

Carter, Gore, Kerry and now Hillary. How many more to come?

The thieves: Raygun, W., W., and now Trump.

Most of them used treason and collusion with a foreign power to rig their elections. Raygun with Iran, Trump with Russia and W. with out and out rigging counts.

[scarytomcat]

47. the same was said to Gore after he was robbed

Kerry too
election reform would be good if the Dems throw the bums out
It is time to stand against tyranny, go Joe go.

[Hamlette]

48. And Pelosi. I'm sick of them telling her to go away. She's been great for us. Say Obamacare.

[debsy]

49. Twice in less than two decades...

... Dems have had the Presidency stolen from us and the election thieves have run roughshod over the country during the tenure of both. Obama was well on the way to restoring confidence in our country, even with the complete obstruction and blockade the Republicans threw up in front of him at every turn. I blame them a bit for being too non-partisan when they had full control of the legislative and executive branches but that is just the nature of progressives. The people holding power now are all greedy, un-American, corporatist kleptocrats for whom the only thing that matters is - just like the buffoon in the White House - money. They have theirs and want everybody else's. We aren't entitled to anything, not money, not healthcare, not education, and not our democracy. FUCK THEM ALL TO HELL INDEED!

[Cha]

50. Teach it, bro!

Thank you!

[tonyt53]

51. I prefer "let them eat shit and die".

[onecaliberal]

52. How many fucking times are we going to lose because of the stupid on our own side.

[Wwcd]

55. The naive were divide off before the campaign got going.

The stupid never got to voting booths because some last ditch effort to divde was in a comment following the Dem Convention.

Telling their supporters, "You don't even have to vote"..
I hope Mueller's investigation brings down every one who benefitted from the Kremlin/Koch coup on our Nations sovernity.

[Progressive dog]

54. Those people trashing Hillary aren't dems,

some of them might even have been participants in the theft.

[BlueMTexpat]

73. + a million! eom

[still_one]

56. Let's not kid ourselves, this is being exploited and propagated by the right, and this isn't the

first time this has been done, and unfortunately, there are some that are only too ready to jump all over this

It amazes me how some keep falling into the same trap.

I will repeat what I posted elsewhere:

When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.

When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding

The irony of this outrage at something a private citizen, who is not a spokesperson for the Democratic party, who has made it clear she has no further political ambitions, is unbelievable.

There was no outrage when sanctions against Russia weren't implemented. There is no outrage when Arkansas joins the increasing number of other red states requiring proof of employment in order to qualify for Medicaid, and there are so many more examples of actual harm being done to society and people, where very little outrage is expressed.

What will it take before we learn what is and what isn't important

[oasis]

63. ImWithHer!

[Cobalt Violet]

65. yawn. 2016 is over. It's 2018.

[harun]

83. Agree. Fight for the future.

[Hortensis]

66. +10,000. They should go away and take Trump with them.

[Nitram]

69. I agree, triron.

I'm sick of them saying she "wasn't a good candidate." Are they talking about her gender or the policies she espoused?

[BlueMTexpat]

72. Amen a million times!

The election was stolen from the majority of voters!

Hillary overwhelmingly WON the popular vote but the Electoral College was sabotaged.

That was NOT HER fault.

But there is plenty of blame to spread around among those who did NOT vote for her ... unless their vote was actively suppressed.

Those who trash her or her candidacy are NOT Dems. Period.

[Firestorm49]

74. Really.

Even before the campaign began, I saw Hillary as a “shoe in.” I had no problem with her abilities and experience, and still feel that she would have been infinitely better at the job than the buffoon currently occupying the Oval Office. As the campaign progressed, and after witnessing the battering of Sanders by our own party, I lost faith not in Hillary so much as the party. It was a sign of weakness that I didn’t expect.
Quit your blubbering, she won the popular vote. I voted for her but have become more of a critic of rather than a fan for the Democratic Party. My allegiance will always be for the common man, but it’s time to get over Hillary. It’s done. She was as much defeated by the party as the electoral college, not the popular vote.

[democratisphere]

76. Sure did. No question about it!

Denial is to NOT be a Democrat!

[dlk]

77. Just Imagine, for a Moment, the Republican Response if their Presidential Election Had been Stolen

In addition to endless threats and screaming in the media, the lawsuits would have been endless, and without a doubt, they would have begun an armed insurrection. Hillary can say whatever she wants, whenever she wants. She's earned the right. Those who think she should be conveniently be erased need to take a look in the mirror and see the misogynist staring back.

[DownriverDem]

79. Must be trolls

I always ask them: Why are you here? True left leaners know how serious Nov 2018 is. We don't have time for infighting and division. Any left leaner who does not plan on voting for the Dem in November is clueless.

[NurseJackie]

80. Seems like it's always the same JPR-types who continue (even at this late date) to smear Hillary.

trashing her or telling her to go away.

I know what you mean. There was even one person (no longer here) who regularly mentioned how he/she though Hillary should have WAITED eight or twelve years before she wrote her book "What Happened".

In contrast to that, I'm pleased to report that I've noticed that many of these bad actors are being given their marching orders and are taking their leave of DU. Whether it's been an "attitude adjustment" or a voluntary departure, or by jury action, or by admin action... the numbers are decreasing.

I still see attacks on Hillary and attacks on Democrats and attacks on the Democratic party (I also see push-back from the most loyal and faithful Democrats too... glad to see that the senseless attacks are being called-out) but, overall, the anger and bitterness and bad behavior and aggressive anti-Democrat sentiments seems to be subsiding. So that's a good thing.

It really serves no good purpose for those types of attacks and rehashing to perpetuate indefinitely. Therefore, I remain hopeful that one day we'll all be able to get along.

[Firestorm49]

85. Amen

[NastyRiffraff]

82. I'm tired of it also

And the midterms are in danger because of these same people supporting a certain Senator's preferred candidate to primary good Democrats. Not perfect Democrats; GOOD Democrats. Perfection is for fantasy, as Hillary knows, and as any sane person who knows anything at all about politics knows.

Hillary Clinton is a private citizen not running for anything. She has as much right to say what she pleases as any of us.

[yellowwoodII]

86. Threads Like This are Divisive and Counterproductive

Let's move on to the next battle.

[LiberalLovinLug]

88. Who is "trashing her or telling her to go away"?

No one. Or they'd be soon kicked off.
This kind of flame baiting should not be allowed in here. Insinuating there is some kind of significant effort to trash HRC is like Fox News declaring there's a war on Christmas. They do it to get a reaction and anger the most gullible.

Yes some have called for new younger leadership in the party. Or more aggressive progressive policies than the Clinton's had ever proposed. There is also still a large contingency of Sanders supporters who voted HRC here that will post Sanders speeches and interviews. All three of these could be misconstrued as in some convoluted way "trashing" HRC if you wanted to make yourself believe that. But its not.

I see much more of the trashing of Senator Bernie Sanders in here than Hillary Clinton private citizen. Even in this thread which was supposed to be about Hillary. Give it a rest.